Joy (0s):
Most people will really cut down on the possibility of ever getting sick. Because if you can reverse the biological age by seven years, you cut down the rate of chronic illness by 50% in the world. So that's how powerful anti-aging is. You know, if you can reduce the aging speed, then you're reducing how likely you are to get sick. Yeah. So that's the preventative side.
Brian (21s):
When you say Reverse Aging by seven years, what is it?
Joy (25s):
If you can reverse the aging process by seven years, then
Brian (30s):
This week I interviewed regenerative and anti aging expert, Dr. Joy Kong. Dr. Joy is a UCLA trained triple board certified physician, and also the president of Chara Health in Los Angeles, California. We discussed what stem cells are, along with How her patients utilize stem cells to heal and reverse aging. How stem cells helped individuals overcome osteoarthritis. Dr. Joyce comprehensive wellness approach and her one tip to get your body back to what it once was. Really enjoyed my interview with Dr. Joy. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All right. Welcome to the Get Lean, Eat Clean podcast.
Brian (1m 11s):
My name is Brian Gryn and I have Dr. Joy calling on Welcome to the show. Yes,
Joy (1m 15s):
Hi, Brian. Great to be back.
Brian (1m 17s):
Yeah, back for the second time. And I was looking, it was the beginning of 23 when you came on before. Yeah. So welcome back maybe, I know you're in stem cell therapy was the main thing we chatted about last time. Anything new for the last couple years that's on your plate?
Joy (1m 34s):
Well, just a lot more patience. A lot. Oh, that's good. More that's more interesting cases and been more and more inspired things that previously I didn't think was possible. And now I'm seeing possibilities and people that had no hope in all kinds of conditions. Right. So new things keep popping up 'cause people find their way to me because they're desperate and there's no other good solutions and, and I'm also teaching more doctors to the point where I developed a certification program through American Academy of Integrated Cell Therapy. So I'm actually doing in-person training to really get doctors up to speed on exactly how to deal with day-to-day patient care.
Joy (2m 17s):
Not just the theory, not just what research has shown, but how do you do it? Where do you put it? What's the protocol, what's the regimen? What else can you add onto it? So all that where Yeah, doing more systematic teaching. Yeah, that's great. So
Brian (2m 32s):
What, why don't we say this? What, what is stem cell therapy? People who've listened to this right now, they're probably like, well, I don't even know what it is. Maybe just the basics on that, just to give people a background So they understand.
Joy (2m 43s):
Yeah. So stem cell therapy is utilizing these very young, very primitive cells that are still in the human body. Of course, we all came from stem cells from the first fertilized egg, and while the egg started to the fertilized egg started to divide and form a ball and form a, a structure. And all those are stem cells. So not until a final organ is formed, then you have the organ cells. So anywhere along the way before it became, let's say heart, a heart muscle cell, then there are all stem cells. So anywhere along the way we can intercept and grab a cell and put that in the body to help to, to kind of help the body with the healing in that particular pathway.
Joy (3m 24s):
Whether or not it's cardiovascular system is your immune system, your, your musculoskeletal system. So whatever pathway you can, you can grab a cell along that pathway. Of course, some cells are more general, like mesenchymal stem cells or hematopoietic proje progenitor cells, which form all the bloodlines, but the mesenchymal stem cells can form, especially if you get them young. Like if they were from the burst tissue, So they were very young, then they can develop into all kinds of cells in the body, in, in not just your muscular-skeletal system, but also internal organs and heart and nervous system.
Joy (4m 4s):
So it can cover bigger ground, but the main purpose we use these mesenchymal stem cells for is not really for their ability to become these different cells, is for their overall signaling possibility. So they send your body these signals so your own immune system can actually start kicking things in gear, calm the inflammation, get the immune system to be a, in a more helpful state, and then tell local stem cell to regenerate and form new cells. So, so that's the, I would say that's the most popular. The bulk of stem cell therapy right now is using mesenchymal stem cells. And, and there's also,
Brian (4m 44s):
I was just gonna say, and, and this, And what is the common issue that most people come to you for to use stem cells? Is it just like for aging or, you know?
Joy (4m 53s):
No, I would say 90% of them, maybe 85 to 90% of them come in for severe health issues, like significant health issues. Okay. It could be brain disorder, right. Stroke, a LS, multiple sclerosis, traumatic brain injury or Parkinson's. It could be from, you know, autism, right. Suffered by much younger patients. It could be from any organs, so your heart, liver, long kidneys, and then also muscular skeletal problems or erectile functions. So anywhere along the way, autoimmune conditions is very systemic.
Joy (5m 33s):
All these are in the spectrum of people who come to see me. The other, you know, 10, 15% will be people who really have no major issues, but they really don't want to decline and get sick down the road. And we know stem cells can be dramatically helpful installing the aging process, not just stalling, but actually reversing the process. And then people will really cut down on the possibility of ever getting sick. Because if you can reverse the biological age by seven years, you cut down the rate of chronic illness by 50% in the world. So that's, that's how powerful anti-aging is. You know, if you can reduce the aging speed, then you're reducing how, how likely you are to get sick.
Joy (6m 17s):
Yeah. So that's the preventative side.
Brian (6m 19s):
Okay. And the preventative side, when you say Reverse Aging by seven years, what is Well,
Joy (6m 25s):
That's a, that's an estimate. This is, it came from my conversation with Ryan Smith, who has a true age, biological age testing company. Got it. Okay. And he's, he was providing me with this, the stat, if you can reverse the aging process by seven years, or slow it down by seven years, so let's say a person's 50, but you get their biological age to be 43. If you can do that with everybody, then the number of chronic illness that's existing in the world will be reduced by 50%. That's how powerful reducing the biological age or rejuvenating your body is.
Brian (7m 5s):
So I'm guessing you're like 25 then. You do look great. I've been around. You look great around, if you're watching on YouTube, joy, I feel, I feel like LA you might've, you might've reversed the aging process for yourself from the last interview.
Joy (7m 17s):
Is that right? Okay. I have to go back, you know, embarrassingly people tell me that because since I have a, you know, a,
Brian (7m 24s):
Well, you shouldn't be embarrassed about it.
Joy (7m 26s):
I have a trail on YouTube because I started, I think, producing YouTube videos six years ago. And you know, a apparently people are paying close attention, probably magnifying it on their screen, looking at my skin. Right. And they tell me, yeah, we've seen your videos, you look younger Now. I say, okay, I didn't realize. Yeah,
Brian (7m 47s):
I did you, I think I saw, did you just do something with my god, not Brad Kerns. Did you do something with Brad Kearns, or was it with
Joy (7m 54s):
We did with Brad Kearns. I did with Ben Greenfield.
Brian (7m 57s):
Oh, Ben Greenfield. I saw that picture. Yeah. Did he come into your office?
Joy (8m 1s):
Yes, he did. Yeah. Okay. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian (8m 4s):
So with all this, you developed a, like a certification program as well, right? Through stem
Joy (8m 9s):
Cells? Yeah. I want to spread the, you know, just this healing modality. You know, I can only see so many people, but if I can teach a hundred doctors and each o of them can see a hundred people, you know, then we're talking about real impact here.
Brian (8m 23s):
Well, how, how, like what's the timeframe on, on these things? I mean, you know, you, you mentioned some, some serious issues that people could have, and do you sort of consult with them along with the stem cell therapy, you know, as far as lifestyle changes and things like that?
Joy (8m 39s):
Absolutely. That's all crucial. Yeah. That's why painstakingly I'm recommending, you know, not only the pre and post-treatment recommendations that has to do, you know, with the recommendations when it comes to diet, exercise, and detoxification, but also there are supplement regimens where they are taking very foundational supplements that we know can enhance the benefit of the stem cells. And on top of that, we also add peptides, and we use laser light for the treatment. So it's a comprehensive approach. We're attacking, you know, that's not a good word. We're, we're inducing or, you know, the, you know, enticing the biological system to go in certain directions, which is the healing and thriving direction.
Joy (9m 23s):
So there are a lot of things that you can do, you know, including things like fasting, right? You do intermittent fasting, that's fantastic. I'm a big fan. So there are many things that people can implement, but nothing can replace the intelligence of the cells themselves. And I've seen that over and over again as well, because we've had patients who tried everything. There is all the biohacking tricks, but it's not until stem cells that there's this fundamental shift and jump in what their body's able to accomplish. I liken the body and the cells this way. So, and, and my analogy is that the body is like a, a car, like a vehicle, right? You need good engines, and the stem cells are the engines behind everything.
Joy (10m 7s):
You need a great engine in order for the car to run fast and run well, but you also need fuel. If you have dirty, terrible fuel, then you are just dragging your feet. Your car's not gonna run very well. But the reverse is also true. If you have a, you know, really pristine, beautiful fuel, but your engine is really bad, then yeah, it's, so the two, you, you need to marry the two and make sure that synergistically we, you know, produce the most high performing vehicle. Yeah.
Brian (10m 42s):
What would you say, do you have any like stories or success stories that you've had with a patient that you've worked with over the years?
Joy (10m 49s):
Yeah. Gosh, I have so many. I'll give people the first story of my very first patient, because that's what got me hooked. Granted, I heard about two cases before I actually jumped into providing therapy. Two, two cases, you know, direct kind of a, you know, some kind of experience. The first one was I met a doctor who gave stem cells to an autistic kid, umbilical cord stem cells. I was trained as a psychiatrist, and I did not enjoy working with autistic kids because I found it unfruitful depressing. And we're just not making real differences because we're throwing drugs at kids. We sedate them, you know, or maybe we try to make them more focused by increasing the, you know, dopamine levels in, in their, or adrenaline levels in their body.
Joy (11m 40s):
And then they temporarily focus a little better. But none of these was really fixing the fundamental problem. And when it comes to stem cells meeting this person, this doctor who was an anesthesiologist who had no experience with autism, and he gave some stem cells to this autistic kid, and he showed me the differences that the teacher reported in this kid. All these incredible changes of real improvements, right? Better eye contact, better social interaction, not as procrastinating and playing better with kids and, and verbalization, like all these things that with one simple IV treatment. And, and that was really incredible to see.
Joy (12m 20s):
So that got me really intrigued. And then I met this lady who received the treatment, and she said it was amazing because her rheumatoid arthritis went into, I guess, drastically decrease the disease activity. Yeah. Almost in remission. She was able to get off some of the medications that she hated, and that was giving her side effects. And, and not only that, she felt like she was thriving because her energy level was jumping through the hoof, who the roof roof. And, and her, her, her sex drive was high. And then she was having a great time. So, so that was, those are two cases before I actually started treating patients myself.
Joy (13m 1s):
And the first patient I treated was a 69-year-old gentleman with osteoarthritis in both knees. And he was told by an, an orthopedic surgeon that he absolutely needed bilateral knee replacement. And he really didn't wanna do that because he has a very active lifestyle, still is today going to a lot of trait shows. He said, I don't want to go through the surgery. I don't, you know, the re the, the recovery.
Brian (13m 29s):
My dad, my dad just had knee surgery or, yeah. Oh, I see. Yeah. One, one knee. I mean, he's recovering well, but it's such a con. We hit literally, you know, especially like my parents' age. Every other person is getting a knee done or a hip done. Oh my
Joy (13m 41s):
God's like, no, no, no, no, no, no, don't, don't do it until you try stem cells because I need to give you this, this, this study. So they did a study of people who have bilateral knee osteonecrosis. Basically their bones were eroding and, and things were because of steroid use. And so both knees, so both knees are equal degree. What they did of these 30 patients is that they divided them by half, half of the knee, one knee of everybody got knee replacement, the other knee Oh, interesting. For everybody got stem cell injections.
Brian (14m 14s):
Can you send that to me? Do you have the study? Yeah, sure. Okay. Yeah. It
Joy (14m 17s):
Turns out, out of the 30 knees that well, that got knee replacement, six of them needed revision surgery. So, which means things didn't go well, right? You had to go back in and correct it. And then outta the 30 knees that actually got stem cells, only one knee ended up needing knee replacement at all. Wow. So that is a pretty, you know, yeah,
Brian (14m 40s):
That's a strong case for stem cells, that's for sure.
Joy (14m 42s):
Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a, a strong study. So anyhow, so I treated this patient, give him an IV treatment and injected one cc to each knee. The next day he told me he slept through the night, his rotator cuff injury that was waking him up from, you know, every night during sleep when he was moving around, shifting his body. That didn't wake him up that night. And then it never did, ever since basically decades, about 40 years of pain was relieved of the shoulder. And he, I never knew about the shoulder. He just, he never mentioned, I didn't know that.
Brian (15m 16s):
So you did the, you did the knee and the, and the, and the knees, and then also the shoulder,
Joy (15m 21s):
The shoulder got fixed. Yeah. The cells knew, the cells found the signals and knew that place has been screaming and then fix that. And in addition, the, the knees, both knees are doing beautifully. He walks four miles every day. He's said, I barely feel that I have knees. I don't think about it. So yeah, you want the tactical angles, you know, when, when it comes to larger joints.
Brian (15m 46s):
Okay. And then how long, as far as the treatment is concerned, is it like once every, like he got that one time? Or did he come in over a period of time and get it
Joy (15m 56s):
Done? He did it once. He got great result. And then about I think 10 months later, he did another one. He said, I just want a booster. Just wanna make sure that it's, you know, maybe it's gonna be more complete, but that's it, that's it for the last eight years.
Brian (16m 13s):
Wow. That's amazing.
Joy (16m 15s):
Yeah. So that's first case. So that got me cloaked, because here I was trained as a psychiatrist, not even, you know, told not to touch patients, right. We don't wanna create, you know, transfer. And So we don't touch patients to me putting needle into patient's body and then injecting into their knees and creating results that his orthopedic surgeons have no idea how. So, so I, and, and then that story just keep going on and on. I, I treated liver cirrhosis patient and he's liver function. He went from being in hospice to having normal liver function with within a couple months. And then I treated COPD patient who ditched his oxygen and all his COPD medications and was able to play with his band.
Joy (16m 60s):
Again, Ms patient was able to save his job, you know, sound engineer, he couldn't, couldn't work because of his hands, all the numbness. And I saved his job. I mean, it just, just on and on, autistic kids starting to speak, starting to play or go, go to, you know, afterschool classes, you know, just gaining function stopped being incontinent. I just recently, we had a patient, which is just, it's drastic. I mean, these things are just make my heart jump. This one patient who had a brain surgery when he was nine years old, which damaged one of his optic nerves. So he was blind in one eye and we gave him one treatment.
Joy (17m 40s):
And around three months, when we did follow up appointment with, with him, he said, he's starting to see in that one eye, this is 44 years of blindness, he's starting to see. So he's so excited, he's wants to come back for a second infusion. And then there was another patient, the most recent I heard was progressive cholangitis. So this is inflammation and damage in the bile duct. It's all part of the liver disease. And so he was on the liver transplant list, and after two treatments, he's so improved. Then now he's off the transplant list. So these are just, you know, like really, really fun things that, that when I give people, you know, this product,
Brian (18m 19s):
You're like, superwoman,
Joy (18m 21s):
It's pretty fun.
Brian (18m 22s):
That is pretty cool. I mean, to have that. Now are, are you ever, I mean obviously these are all great cases. Are you ever like, disappointed where like maybe it didn't work or, or like it took longer, you know, I'm sure there's cases where Oh yeah.
Joy (18m 35s):
Okay. I have, yeah. Yeah. That's why, you know, first of all, I would never promise anything anyhow. But yeah, I would say maybe about 10% of people who don't notice very much at all. Sure. And doesn't mean that it's not doing good for their body because there are so many levels of what the cells can do. Some may not be noticeable, you know, as, as far as shifting, your immune system may be repairing tissue, improving vascular formation, all these things may be more silent, but exactly what they're seeking relief for may not have changed. So that has happened, that has happened with somebody with Crohn's disease.
Joy (19m 15s):
There, there are a few cases, not, not that many. Most people notice benefit and some have drastic results. You know, in, in, in testing, in lab tests and also imaging. We had a nine 11 responder who was, he didn't know how long he was gonna live. He had a lot of damage to his lungs. A lot of his colleagues were in the special forces that were there for nine 11, you know, cleanup have died. And he was in the pit for eight months and after two stem cell sessions with us. And, and he did one prior in Mexico. And that one, he didn't get as good of a result as what he got with us.
Joy (19m 56s):
But after these three treatments, he did his repeat ct, his lung was practically clear, you know, the, the, the, it, it, it just about, you know, as probably 90, I don't know, 96, 90 7% clear from where he was. And he's sprinting. He just, he is thrilled. So yeah, lots of very inspiring cases.
Brian (20m 18s):
Yeah. And I mean, what is, is, is the cost the same for everybody? Is each treatment the same as far as cost? And does insur, I'm, I'm assuming insurance doesn't cover this, but this is out of pocket for the most part.
Joy (20m 31s):
Yeah, so for the most part, they're rare insurance companies that cover it. I only know of one. The thing is, I think if the insurance company's smart and they realize how much money this is saving them in the long run, how much hospitalizations that they don't have to cover, they will realize this is money well spent. But majority of the cases people are paying is a cash pay kind of a model. And the cost depends on how much product a person would need. Some, you know,
Brian (21m 3s):
Like, what would you say a what would you say? Average? Just average.
Joy (21m 7s):
It really is a range because it's based on body, weight, age, and health issues. So it is between, I would say if you were doing IV treatment in my clinic, it's between $8,500 to about $18,000.
Brian (21m 19s):
Got it. Okay. Did, why did Ben Greenfield, did Ben Greenfield get treatment? Did he just wanna see if it just for like performance enhancing ways or just Oh
Joy (21m 29s):
Yeah. Think he's up to up for anything. Right. Anything that can enhance, but stem cells has so much science, I think a, a person will be, will be mistakenly conservative if they think that they want to wait before they try it, because the benefit is, is has been proven so much and if, yeah, so it's not a, it's not a big risk to jump into this therapy. It's actually pretty sure way of reversing disease and, and live longer and healthier. So yeah. So he has, you know, maybe a, a little, you know, issues here and there, but pretty, pretty darn good. And
Brian (22m 7s):
He's, he just wanted to see how it would affect him, like his performance or, yeah, aging. Yeah. Yeah. That's
Joy (22m 13s):
Cool.
Brian (22m 14s):
Yeah. Did Brad, did Brad Kerns get it done?
Joy (22m 16s):
No, he hasn't yet.
Brian (22m 18s):
Yeah. All right. I just had him, I just interviewed him, so again, for the sixth time maybe. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. Brad and I go way back.
Joy (22m 28s):
Brad is so much fun. Yeah,
Brian (22m 29s):
Yeah. Yeah. He's great. So you would say that stem cell therapy is one therapy that you guys do? What about exosome and peptide? Oh, yeah. And ketamine.
Joy (22m 39s):
So peptides, ke ketamine. Yeah. Yeah, these can, and ketamine, I don't routinely add to stem cells, but we definitely use peptides and ozone therapy and the laser light therapy together with the stem cell therapy. So peptides I love because I can give you cells, but then I don't have as much control of where they're gonna go, what they're gonna do. I can inject them locally and that will give me some more local access, but, but still, there's not as much control. But if I do peptides, let's say somebody has cardiovascular concerns, then I can give them certain peptide, like TB 500 that, you know, help with cardiovascular health, like epi or if somebody has brain issues, maybe I'll give them clink and Cmax.
Brian (23m 30s):
So there's different pep How many different peptides are there
Joy (23m 33s):
In our clinic where you regularly use? I think about 25 of those. Oh, wow. But they're a lot. They're, yeah, they're a lot. But I, I select the most useful, the, you know, the ones that has been accumulating the most evidence and as far as safety and evidence. So those, we use, you know, we have one to help with sleep. We have a, a couple that helps with mitochondria health. We have GHK copper, that's great for skin hair, but also brain health growth, hormone promoting peptides, of course, that's overall rejuvenating peptides, thyroid peptides, like, you know, t alpha one, great for immune boosting or reducing autoimmune conditions, helping fight cancer and, and just, you know, general immune health and TB 500 too.
Brian (24m 20s):
So the peptides, that's obviously separate from stem cell and people can, where people will just Yeah, we kind
Joy (24m 26s):
Of, yeah, yeah, we do the stem cell. So we do a very thorough evaluation and we see what the person needs. Okay. And we, we would design the stem cell regimen that all always include BPC 1 57, TB 500, because they cover multiple organs. So we hitting a lot of organs all at once. The brain, the, the cardiovascular, the skeletal, musculo, skeletal, and the immune. So we're in the digestive. So we're targeting all these systems all at once. And then depending on what the person needs, like I mentioned, if you have brain issues, if concentration issues, there may be one. And if you wanna do something for skin, that's another one. Or the brain.
Brian (25m 1s):
So sometimes people come in for one thing, but they'll end up getting a bunch of different things, perhaps.
Joy (25m 6s):
Sure, yeah. Not overwhelmingly. Yeah. Yeah. But definitely lots of important
Brian (25m 12s):
What about yourself? Do you Oh,
Joy (25m 14s):
I utilize all of them. I like, no, no, you know,
Brian (25m 18s):
I wanna, I wanna get what you're
Joy (25m 19s):
Using, not describe me of the, these goodies. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. That's why I started the stem cell treatment eight years ago. I didn't have any problems, you know, I wasn't dealing with any chronic conditions, nothing acute either. I was just, you know, cruising, not realizing I was aging. No, no. You know, when you look at yourself in the mirror every day, you really don't notice a change. Not really until one day you, you see it, our eyes can really trick us, right? You look at yourself every day, you don't think you're changing. I remember there's one time my dad said, oh, I've gotten old. He realized all of a sudden, oh, I'm, I've gotten old.
Joy (26m 1s):
Well, guess, guess what? You've been getting old this whole time. Right? So that's what happened to a lot of us. You know, we, we don't notice until maybe one day you look at a picture of yourself like, ah,
Brian (26m 12s):
I hope I don't get to, you
Joy (26m 14s):
Know, well, now you have a ways of not reaching.
Brian (26m 17s):
Yeah. And are you doing, are you doing therapy on yourself once a year or is there like a mini max of it? Like you don't wanna do too much or too little
Joy (26m 25s):
For anti-aging treatments? I, I tell people the older you are, the more frequently you probably need it. Someone told me a really great analogy, the aging process, like a roll of toilet paper. The more you use it, the faster it rolls. So that's kind of the, you know, if you just use that as your visual. So the, the fa the, the more you age, the faster it goes. And then you may wanna do it a little bit more frequently. So when you're younger, maybe once a year is fine. You know, when you're in your thirties, you know, once a year and then your forties, well, when you come to the forties, that's really when things speed up. The
Brian (26m 59s):
Don't, don't tell me that joy.
Joy (27m 1s):
I just giving you nature's law. So when, when you want to do anti-aging regimen, And you know, really the middle age, right? So you want to do every three to six months, of course when you get older, you or if you suffer from a condition that you, you may wanna do it more frequently, but if you wanna do it for anti-aging purposes, and every three to six months is the, is a good protocol. And I, I did it every three months. 'cause why not?
Brian (27m 27s):
Well, it's your clinic, you know?
Joy (27m 30s):
Yeah. So if I'm gonna be the Guinea pig, might as well, you know, get the full, you know, the, the most benefit.
Brian (27m 37s):
Has anyone had like, any side effects? Like, are, are there any, you know, like do you tell some patients, you know, this might happen or th there could be some of this? Or is, is there any of that?
Joy (27m 48s):
Most people do incredibly well. And that's been shown in clinical studies as well, tracking what's going on with patients. And it's pretty consistent. If you, I've read so many studies, but at the end of the study, almost always, no, no significant side effect noted or, you know, there's nothing, you know, there, there's very minimal side effects. So anytime you puncture the skin, it can cause side effects, right? The swelling and pain. And so those are very minor as far as any anything of significance is extremely rare. I would say if a person, only people I've seen that can have a little bit of difficulty in someone that has a tendency for allergic type of reactions tend to get a rash with everything, you know, with environment, right?
Joy (28m 36s):
Seasonal changes with food they eat, with medications they take, they just break out really easily. Eczema and they have this histamine hypersensitivity, these are the only people I've seen that have broken up with a rash. And that's about the most severe side effect I've seen. Okay.
Brian (28m 52s):
And you're clear you're out in la right? So people just come out there.
Joy (28m 57s):
Yeah. What people, I wanna say 90% of people come to see us via plane. So everybody is flying in. We've got people from, you know, everywhere around the country in the world. So yeah, I always say that people in Los Angeles is the most spoiled because only people who complain that I'm too far, my clinic's too far are people in Los Angeles. Yeah.
Brian (29m 20s):
Yeah. Well, and I noticed did you develop some type of cream as well? Like a stem cell clinic? Yeah,
Joy (29m 25s):
Yeah. I, it's a, when did
Brian (29m 27s):
You come out? Did you come out with this in the past year or?
Joy (29m 31s):
No, this is right before Covid. Okay. Okay. Almost five years. So this cream was inspired by just me being a stickler for only putting natural substance on my body, in my body. You know, like I wanna protect my cells and my biological integrity. And so much of the household products, including the cosmetics, are toxic because they have all these synthetic, petroleum based pro ingredients and it's really hard to find something that's really clean. And when I found something that says it's all natural, it turns out that they break down really rapidly.
Joy (30m 12s):
They, they change their characteristics, So they were not even stable. So that's when I was inspired to create something that is of high quality, but also contains some of the most powerful ingredients. And one thing I put in are stem cells. The cells are not alive anymore. I don't want people to have the misconception that, you know, they're getting Yeah, life cells on my face. No, these cells are not alive, but all the beneficial ingredients and exosomes and growth factors are still there and they can be absorbed right into the skin. So, and then also added a, a group of peptides that are known for skin regeneration, collagen producing anti-inflammatory effects. So those are, you know, are, so those two are, are really powerful kind of big guns.
Joy (30m 56s):
And then there are all these herbal extracts. You know, I not gonna discount herbs. I love all these incredible herbs. So I don't think any cream out there has put as many kinds of herbs in there as I did herbal extracts. So it's a very comprehensive has formula, you know, all in one. So everything I wanna like I put in there and it turns out to be a really beautiful cream that everybody, including the doctors and estheticians, they all love
Brian (31m 22s):
It. Yeah. And on, on another note, what would you say, if you were going to give your top five tips other than stem cell therapy lifestyle tips, what, what, you know, that you abide by and that maybe you would tell with your clients. What, what are those top five tips? What would be those
Joy (31m 40s):
A really important one? I think intermittent fasting is fantastic. Allowing your body the chance to utilize autophagy, getting rid of, you know, dysfunctional and cells and, and get, get your body the, the kind, the resting time and, and so you can utilize the, the waste product in the body and then regenerate and, and avoiding simple carbs to me is very important. I know there are people who do fine with carbs, but still probably complex carbs. But for me, and for a lot of people, carbs, simple carbs trigger this sugar reaction that drives inflammation and really drives weight gain and a lot of the chronic issues.
Joy (32m 25s):
So to me that's important. And, and exercise, of course, we all know exercise is really important. I don't need to talk anymore about it, But it activates all these genes. So it's like a gene therapy by going out there, moving your body. So that's important. And so I think good food and exercise, those are foundation of course. You know, people need to sleep, have good sleep. I also love doing infrared as sauna. That's really nice. I love sweating and detoxing. It feels very cathartic. And so even that, have
Brian (32m 57s):
You, have you done some red, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Have you done some red light as well? Do you do
Joy (33m 2s):
Different forms of a red light panel in my inre saana Nice. And a few other red light devices too. And I also use red light in my clinic for stem cell therapy. Oh. 'cause red light has been shown to enhance the viability of the cells and the mobility of the cells. So actually make the cells more active. Hmm. So if you can do that for a vial cells, you can definitely do that for the cells in your body.
Brian (33m 25s):
Yeah. I've been using red, red light therapy now for the last few years. It's been great. I, yeah, I have a panel as well. I know Brad notice. Well look at me now. Okay. You know, you know, honestly, I, it, it's subtle, but I skin looks
Joy (33m 37s):
Great.
Brian (33m 38s):
I mean, my skin, yeah. Like I have like a, yeah, it turns like red really easily, but, But it, it feel, you know, I think it's doing pretty good. Also. The lighting is a little strange here, but I mean, the red light for me, I think I did a video on this like a couple weeks ago. I would say I use it at night a lot. I actually think it's helped me with the quality of my sleep. And then I'll use it in the mornings as well when I wake up. But it, there's something soothing about it. It's tough to explain. I know it's been shown obviously to help with collagen production and things like that and wound healing and even possibly hair growth. I know, or red light was originally thought of when they were using it in space to help like, grow plants. That was like the originator of, I mean, 'cause red light's been researched for so long and so I can totally see how it goes hand in hand with what you're doing.
Joy (34m 24s):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I actually did a presentation on using light, of course the light different ways of generating light. So in the clinic we have both the, the regular LED, you know, type of red light, but also we have the laser light, which is a lot more penetrating focused and we can modulate the frequency of how the light is shown, you know, how the light shines. And that actually talks with different organs apparently, you know, depending on what organs you're trying to treat, there are different frequencies you can program the machine. So that one is really, really fun. Really cool.
Brian (34m 58s):
Interesting. Yeah. Okay. So in, in my mo one question is sleep. Do people come to you to help them with sleep? And, and how do you go about that's not, or is that, is that as common?
Joy (35m 9s):
Okay. That's kind of the side complaint. Of course people have seen improvements after stem cell therapy, but it's also the whole integrative approach. Everything else we're doing. But there are peptide, there's a, a peptide specifically. There are a couple that, that can help with sleep and yeah.
Brian (35m 25s):
Can people come to you for peptides and not stem cell and just do peptides with you? Yeah. Okay. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And what's exosome therapy?
Joy (35m 33s):
Exosomes Are these hot items right now that's really popular as if it's something that's, that's different from cells? Well, they are just products from cells like, you know, secreted, you know, they, they, they sent out some material. So what happens to the cells wants to con communicate with the environment with other cells. So it will package these, all this information into this little bubble, you know, in enclosed by cell membrane, right? So the cells like this and then it form a little bubble and all this materials packaged into the bubble and it pinches off into the environment. So these are the exosomes, they're nanoparticles, they're really, really tiny, but they can fuse with other cells and dump the signals inside other cells.
Joy (36m 17s):
Or they can just release into, you know, into the environment. They can travel and they contain different proteins, lipids, microRNAs, very, you know, a lot of growth factors. And the microRNA actually has pretty important function because it can go across cell nucleus and work on your DNA. So it can actually repair the DNA change methylation patterns. So this can produce longer term benefits. So that's how stem cells and exosomes can produce longer term benefits is because actually repaired your DNA to some degree.
Brian (36m 49s):
So it's sort of a, an offshoot from the stem cell therapy?
Joy (36m 52s):
Yeah. So one reason is popular is because certain manufacturers and certain people think that, oh, if we do exosomes, we're not giving people cells, maybe it's not gonna be as regulated by the, the disease. Okay. But it turns out that that is not less regulated because in order to obtain these exosomes, a lot of times you end up growing the cells and then you collect these material. So when you start growing the cells, the FDA says, whoa, that's manipulation. So that's a whole other subject of, you know, how this treatment is, is governed, at what point do you say that I'm producing a drug?
Joy (37m 33s):
At what point you're just saying, I'm just working with nature, I'm just letting nature thrive. So there's a, there's a fine line if you start adding different, sometimes chemicals, sometimes different enzymes and different signaling molecules, you may be able to direct the cells in a particular way, particular direction. And that sounds like it will be a little bit more manipulated than just growing the cells. So, but you know, there's a huge change coming in how natural medicines are gonna be governed or regulated. And we, I, I look forward to see what happens in the next few years.
Brian (38m 13s):
Okay. Interesting. And I was just looking, where's the best place for people to find you? You're all over the place, I mean, Instagram and then dr Joy Kong dot com.
Joy (38m 24s):
Yeah, so dr Joy Kong dot com is a great place to start because it has everything I'm doing. You can find the cream there, you can find my clinic. I founded a stem cell company where we send this proprietary product that I designed that combined different portions of the, the cord so you have a, a more comprehensive and more complete package of healing. So that's, you know, that's the stem cell company sending out this product and also exosome product. We also have this training academy. So that's the one that I provide a lot of teaching. And, and I have a, my, my book Tiger of Beijing.
Joy (39m 4s):
Yeah, that's
Brian (39m 5s):
Very, I remember talking about that. Yeah.
Joy (39m 7s):
The book is on Amazon. You know, if you wanna read a good story that's real, that actually happened. I love real life stories. I, I love, you know, yeah. You know, the movie made from real story from, you know, that that's the part that, that I think is really powerful when I know something actually happened. So it's actually a, you know, kind of dramatic story. It's interesting that it actually happened to me. So people can also find me on YouTube and I have so much material out there, you know, we're barely scratching the surface of stem cells right now, but on YouTube I cover different aspects of stem cell therapy. I've also lectured in different medical conferences. So some of those lectures are also posted.
Joy (39m 47s):
So if you are a nerd, you really wanna get deep into the science, watch some of those lectures, 'cause those are presented to doctors. And then you really get to see all the research studies that's backing up everything that I'm talking about. You know, definitely this is not about, in my opinion, I'm trying to distill the scientific evidence into a language that's easy to understand. But everything is backed by, by the studies.
Brian (40m 11s):
Wonderful. Wonderful. Well thanks for coming on for a second time. I will definitely put Links in the show notes and if anyone's listening and they're out in the LA area, it's Chara Health, right? That's the name of the clinic. Yes.
Joy (40m 24s):
Chara Health, USA. Yeah. So you mentioned ketamine therapy. So that's, you know, that, that's me keeping up with the tradition of me having been a psychiatrist. Definitely brain health is really important. We can even incorporate that with a therapies for the brain because it does increase the brain derive, derive neurotropic factor to a significant extent. And helping rewire rewiring of the brain, of course, is really great if you do it along with therapy and going over just psychological blocks. So that's, we also do that. Yeah. So lots of fun stuff. All right. Well
Brian (40m 59s):
Thank you Joy, and I appreciate you coming on for a second time.
Joy (41m 4s):
Yeah, thank you. Brian. Really enjoyed
Brian (41m 6s):
Chatting. Yeah. And I'm ex yeah, we'll have to do this again down the road. I'm excited. I know Stem cell is, you know, they're just sort of at the, the tipping point of all, all the things that I can help people with. So I'm, I'm glad you're spreading that education and, and helping inform people, so,
Joy (41m 19s):
Yeah. Fantastic. Before we end, I wanna see what was that tail that's been wagging kind of along the side? Oh,
Brian (41m 27s):
There he is.
Joy (41m 27s):
Wow. Oh, I get to see his in full glory. Oh my goodness. You are a good, he's
Brian (41m 33s):
My podcast side. Wow. Yeah.
Joy (41m 37s):
I thought when I saw that little tail, I didn't know. This is a big one.
Brian (41m 41s):
Yeah, he's about 32 pounds, I think right now. Okay. I have another one too. He's not here. Two of them.
Joy (41m 46s):
Yeah. It's pretty cute. I see the tail coming along. Yeah,
Brian (41m 49s):
He's, he's, he's ready to eat. Its pretty much he wants
Joy (41m 52s):
Oh, I see. Okay. All right. I give you that. Alright, Brian.
Brian (41m 57s):
Thanks Joy.
Joy (41m 58s):
Yes, thank you so much. It was a pleasure.
Brian (42m 0s):
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