Dylan (0s):
Wild man. 'cause I've been doing really bodybuilding and doing more like on the supplement side and the training side and that type of thing. I've covered steroids, SARMs Peptides for I don't know, almost 15 years. And it's funny because I was at the Mr. Olympia, I spoke in October and I was there and I ended up with Monica Branch. She's a former Miss Olympia and I was co-hosting her podcast with her. I battled with like an eating disorder body dysmorphia since I was 11. I was a model I a fitness model. I've been in front of cameras for bodybuilding. I've been around people that have critiqued me my whole life. And so I've struggled even though I'm a nutritionist. This week
Brian (35s):
I interviewed biohacker and fitness expert Dylan Gemelli. Dylan has focused his efforts on enhancing his life and others through advanced fitness and longevity methods. We discussed peptides and its various biological functions along with TRT Dylan's s eating and training regimen. The Importance of Blood Work, Dylan's morning routine and his one tip to get your body back to what it once was. Really enjoyed my interview with Dylan. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All right. Welcome to the Get Lean, Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn and I have Dylan Jamele on Welcome to the show. Glad to have you on. You are all over the, I was, you know, I follow a lot of your material. You've been all over speaking engagements and things like that. You have a podcast and mostly known for health and wellness and biohacking.
Brian (1m 18s):
What sort of drew you to this field? It's
Dylan (1m 21s):
Wild man. 'cause I've been doing really bodybuilding And, you know, doing more like on the supplement side and the training side and that type of thing. I covered steroids, SARMs Peptides for, I don't know, almost 15 years. And it's funny because I was at the Mr. Olympia, I spoke in October and I was there and I ended up with Monica Branch. She's a former Miss Olympia and I was co-hosting her podcast with her there on top of speaking. It all kind of just fell into place and she was being sponsored by STEM Region who is like huge in the biohacking industry. I mean, they're one of the most well known. They sponsor every event. And I started talking with them and I got, you know, really close with them.
Dylan (2m 1s):
And a lot of the doctors on the panels at the Olympia I spoke with were kind of in the same area. So I, I had a, I did tremendous there. You know, I was the only influencer, so to speak, with a bunch of doctors. So I thought I really made it to where I, it was like a dream for me. And I came home and I could literally, dude, I got COVID, like right when I got home and I was trying to not get angry and depressed. 'cause I, you know, I had all this momentum. I was trying to do all this stuff when I got home and take advantage of it. And I started to read about STEM region and then start digging and it dawned on me. And I, I'm a spiritual guy so I kind of, you know, I've been praying like, I know my purpose isn't to talk about steroids and SARMs and like, like these videos I'm doing.
Dylan (2m 43s):
And it just hit me all like a ton of bricks. And I'm telling you, once I started reading and figuring out and understanding like biohacking and I, I said to myself, this is what I was supposed to be doing the whole time, but I wasn't ready for it. You know, I wasn't ready for it mentally. I had problems, stress, diet being off and just convoluted lifestyle, I guess, so to speak. And then I, I know at that time I was ready and I mean, once I dug in, now it's just, it's been the biggest blessing and everything's taken off to a whole nother level and I feel good about what I'm doing.
Brian (3m 16s):
Yeah, yeah. You know, you gotta believe in it. Right? And, and, and like nowadays, I feel like there's so many, you know, with social media it's like, what's like the next thing and, and what's sort of the hot topic that's gonna get your views. But you know, that can only last so long, right? Yeah. Like you gotta actually believe in it and be using it. And I, it's interesting that I'm interviewing you today because I was at the gym and a girl asked me about Peptides and like, I'm not that knowledgeable. I told her, I said, I'm not that knowledgeable on Peptides. It's come up a few times on the podcast. So maybe it was meant for us to talk a little bit about Peptides today.
Dylan (3m 50s):
Absolutely, man. That wheelhouse is
Brian (3m 52s):
Okay. What would you say are like the most popular Peptides and maybe for people that have never even heard of 'em, like what is just a general explanation of them? So
Dylan (3m 60s):
It's, so when you think about it, it's, it's kind of like when Bitcoin came out, everybody made it really difficult and it really wasn't if you just took the time to read it. And Peptides are kind of like the same thing. 'cause they're so basic. All they are are short chains of amino acids. So, you know, amino acids are like the building blocks of protein. So they're smaller than proteins and generally they're like two to, I don't know, about 50 amino acids. And they have like different types of roles and biological processes. They're hormone production, cellular signaling immune function. They can be used as skincare. There's so many different types of Peptides from when I, when I first started and learned about Peptides, it was strictly like an underground thing, man.
Dylan (4m 45s):
So like if you've heard of research chemical sites, that's where you could get these and they have to label 'em not for human consumption So they can sell 'em legally. And there were literally just a few growth hormone releasing hormone. So basically, in short, what a growth hormone releasing hormone does is it, it allows your body to release growth hormone without taking exogenous growth hormone. So instead of taking an HGH injection, these go in and trigger your body to actually release the growth hormone instead. Because, you know, as, as we hit 30 and above, your growth hormones start to slowly go down. Some people far worse than others, and some people are less than others. So those were like the only ones around. And then there was one called Melanotan two, which is for tanning of the skin, it can have libido increases.
Dylan (5m 30s):
But generally speaking, that was about it. Now there's so many that it's, it is a, a chore to keep up with them all. And so I am engulfed in reading constantly and looking for new ones to come out. So, you know, like I was, scientist is constantly studying science. They have to keep studying and looking and reading studies and on and on and on. Well that's kind of how it is with Peptides now. But in terms of most popular, I think what you'll find is a twofold area here. One is going to be with fat loss, which I'm sure you're very familiar with GLP ones. So we're looking at like your ozempic, your tirzepatide And now red aide. And then you're gonna be looking at your healing ones. So your BPC 1 57 and your TB five hundreds.
Dylan (6m 10s):
Those are the most prevalently talked about and known by like the masses. Now, NAD plus is also getting very popular and also in a supplement. But for me, I really look at the more longevity based or health based. So like motc, when we're talking about cellular repair and mitochondrial function, I've really kind of shifted my gears towards that in terms of what I'm most interested in. There's things like slan and Cmax that are, are gonna be more geared toward helping with anxiety and stress related. And so, and then like you could go look at PT 1 41 as like for erectile dysfunction, there's ones for sleep delta sleep induced peptide, DSIP or Epione has multiple functions, sleep being one of them.
Dylan (6m 58s):
Then there's other fat loss. And so I like Tessa Morelin, it's fat loss, but you still can retain muscle and kind of build lean muscle at the same time. That's kind of
Brian (7m 7s):
Which one, which one was that? I'm sorry.
Dylan (7m 8s):
Tessa. Tessa Morelin. So, and you can stack that with Ipamorelin, which they kind of, you can get those kind of made together or you can get 'em separately, but you can get 'em created in the same vial and take 'em all together.
Brian (7m 24s):
Cjc how do, what's the best way to consume Peptides? And is this something that most people can have access to or,
Dylan (7m 29s):
So okay, Peptides used to be just straight injections and it's, it's not like intramuscular injection. So you go to the doctor, you get a shot for whatever the case, or like when you're taking testosterone replacement therapy, that's generally intramuscular. It's a much, it's a bigger needle and it's you, you gotta inject right directly into a muscle. Well, with Peptides it's a subcutaneous injection, so we're using like a little insulin syringe, a little itty bitty one, and you just pinch a little piece of fat wherever you can find and, and take it in. Now there's, they're coming out with new methods. So I met some people at the HOS convention in Austin now, and they're actually coming out with sublingual versions of certain ones.
Dylan (8m 13s):
And I, I was at the A four M and they were talking about that and they've been trying to study this for years. There's some people that have 'em in capsules and there are some gels out there too. Now. How do you get them? Well, there's only certain ones that you can get by going to like, maybe a naturopathic doctor or an anti-aging facility, vitality clinics, which I'm about to open one myself actually. And we'll be having some of these and you're able to go through, they make 'em in compounding pharmacies here. But a lot of these you're gonna have to go to, like what I said, underground research chemical sites to get those. And you have to be careful because there's some bad actors out there and it's not regulated so well. And you know, it's, it's a tricky slippery slope.
Dylan (8m 56s):
I, I've been around it forever, so I know the good, the bad and the ugly, you know. And
Brian (8m 60s):
Are you using 'em like on a daily basis or do you just use 'em every so often or like, what's that routine like?
Dylan (9m 6s):
You know, the older I've gotten, the less I do, but I do use a few. So the Mott Sea that I brought up earlier, it, it's not a long-term thing. You use it, you know, short periods. But I am, I'm really big right now on looking at cellular health mitochondrial function. And so that's what I'm looking at now. Tessa Morelin, like I said, I will run that occasionally because I, I love the multifaceted effect because I don't, I'm big on muscle preservation and the importance of muscle long term. Sure. And so I don't, I, I like to stay lean and cut, but I also like to have a little bit of mass there at the same time. So that one is one I will use at times. And then BPC 1 57 I have to use, 'cause I've injured myself so many times and I have nagging shoulder And, you know, other areas where I'm between lifting, playing pickleball and overdoing cardio, you know, so
Brian (9m 58s):
I mean, who hasn't gotten injured playing pickleball right now?
Dylan (10m 1s):
Yeah, exactly.
Brian (10m 2s):
That's like the hottest, I guess, sport out there, right?
Dylan (10m 5s):
Oh yeah. Me and my wife started doing some nights of that, and I'm gonna get back competitive. I was a tennis player many years, so I, okay. You know, I, I get that itch to get on the court a little bit.
Brian (10m 15s):
Well the nice thing is, is it's like, it, it's accessible to more people. Like, you know, like just say the 40 plus crowd that, that doesn't really want to go play tennis per se. Yeah,
Dylan (10m 24s):
It's nice. It's fun. It's just, it's jammed in there now. You know, you, you gotta reserve court times and we just learned there was a court like five minutes from our house that I found us. So it's nice when it's, when the weather allows it.
Brian (10m 36s):
Right. So, okay, So we got Peptides. And again, this is like an adjunct, right? Just like any supplement would you say, I mean obviously if you're not doing like the, the, the principles of health, like quality sleep and controlling stress and, And you know, eating right and, and movement. Like obviously Peptides can probably only do so much.
Dylan (10m 55s):
Well, and, And you know, this, and I'll break this down and I'll give you a ratio of what I tell everybody in terms of order of importance and I'll percentage it out. So we're gonna look at your diet, we're gonna look at your training, and then we're gonna look at any other sort of supplemental intake in intake, whether it's a performance enhancing drug, a supplement, whatever. I don't care. I will argue that based upon everything you do in terms of results, 75 to 80% of its diet related, 10 to 15 is gonna be your fitness in the last 5% is going to be the other intake. Now mind you, we also have to make sure that you're hormonally okay for these things to work. But let's just say you are, I really firmly believe in that percentage in order of importance.
Brian (11m 38s):
Yeah, yeah. So on, on that aspect. So 75 to 80% diet. What, what's sort of your philosophy around that? I know it's been, it's, I I guess it's changed a little bit in the health and wellness space, having a podcast for the last six years. Things have come around a little bit, but I'm just curious your, your take on that and have you changed your mind?
Dylan (11m 58s):
Yes, I have. I'm gonna, I'm gonna share something with you that I'm not ashamed to share. I, I've battled with like an eating disorder body dysmorphia since I was 11. I was a model i a fitness model. I've been in front of cameras for bodybuilding. I've been around people that have critiqued me my whole life. And so I've struggled, even though I'm a nutritionist, and that's probably why I'm a nutritionist because I've studied it so intricately. Yet, when you do something and you coach people, you can still be your own worst enemy and a hypocrite and I, knowing the importance of fats and how vital they are, still until about six months ago have done this low fat fear of fat, scared myself into who knows what about gaining weight and, and all of this.
Dylan (12m 42s):
And I'm telling you, it hit me like a ton of bricks one day because I'm coaching one thing and I'm teaching one thing. And I went in one day to my wife because literally Brian, I lived on like 13 to 14 servings of vegetables a day. Egg whites, oatmeal and peanut butter. And that was it. And I'm, when I tell ya, that was it. Oh, and Greek yogurt. That was it. And I mean, I train, I do five days a week I probably do a hundred minutes of cardio and I train, I lift an hour and 20 minutes, probably something like that. And you can imagine eating 15, 1600 calories a day that I was miserable, angry, impatient, looked tired, and just, I couldn't stay focused longer. 25 minutes, right?
Dylan (13m 22s):
Well, what I just ran you down. I'm getting like, I don't know, just fats from peanut butter, maybe 15 grams of fat a day maybe. Mm. So I went to a conference in, it was eudemonia and I got put on this breath, you know, screening that shows you how your body's burning carbs, fats, et cetera, and breaking down what I should be eating, what I shouldn't. And I saw that my body was just chewing through fats on this test. And you know, I was talking to the guy there and he's like, dude, you're, you're depriving yourself. And they're recommended a lot higher carbon intake. But anyway, where I'm going with this is, so what I've shifted to now is I was eating like 1600 calories a day, more on the 25 to 2,700. But my fat intake is about 120 grams a day.
Dylan (14m 5s):
I'm trying to do, I weigh 180, I'm trying to have my protein in that 2 50, 2 70 range, and then my carbs are about a hundred grams. And for me, what I found is like 45% fats, 40% protein, you know, 10 to 15% carbs works very, very well. Some people handle carbs or need carbs a little better. I'm not of the mindset that, you know, there's some guys, especially in bodybuilding that will stress you. Oh, you have to have carbs, you should, I don't, I don't like eliminating them completely. And I believe, you know, eating a good clean carb, a cleaner type carb like vegetables, like fruits, that's fine. But I'm much bigger on the higher amounts of fat. And I've busted mist left and right about, oh, you know, saturated fat, this and this kind of fat will hurt you.
Dylan (14m 47s):
Man, I, my blood panels are so magnificent right now. Ever since I made these changes, I do half a pound of like either elk, bison, Venice, underground beef every day. I do damn near a pound of salmon or mix in cod and sea bass in there. I mean, I do a lot of avocados and all of these fats keep you satiated. They keep you sharp. And I haven't been this cut since. It's like, use steroids. I mean, seriously. And, and I'm eating way more. And that is where I have found for me personally. And then I've tested it now with several clients, especially weight loss ones. And it's working magnificently for all of them. Now as a nutritionist, there's a lot of trial and error based on each individual.
Dylan (15m 28s):
So I don't want to say that that goes for everybody, but I feel like it's a, it's a strong way to look at it and go about it. But some people, higher endurance athletes or people like really draining themselves, I put 'em on some more carbs. Yeah. But I control it and I watch it, you know? Yeah. No,
Brian (15m 45s):
That's interesting. I mean, I think you're seeing that in the health and wellness space a little bit now with a lot of these carnivores or really low carbs carbos or keto individuals are implementing carbohydrates back into their Yeah. You know, you saw, you saw that with like, you know, saladino fruits honey, and then I know Mark Bell, who's like a big keto guy, bodybuilder, he's bringing, bringing carbs back in. And I'm, I'm from the sense that like yeah, like you said, like I think you saw gotta sort of self experiment with yourself and feel like, feel out what works best for you. But I think carbs have been demonized for a while Now. I, and I, I don't necessarily agree with that.
Dylan (16m 24s):
No, I'm with you. I don't, like I said, I don't slam a bunch of carbs, but I honestly don't crave them like that either. And I'm just more calculated in the ones I'm eating and that's All right. I've just found like when I have and, and I love sweet potatoes, nothing against them, but I found when I have stuff like that, or even rice to an extent, I don't function as well or feel as well. Sure. And I feel sluggish and I feel heavy. So I just pick and choose mine a little bit better. Yeah. But you know, like I said, I've got some people I train that I do put, you know, two, 300 grams of carbs and they look phenomenal and they thrive on it. And then I got other people that are more like in my range. Right. I just feel like everything's gotten demonized at some point. People talk bad about high protein intake, they do it with fat, they do it with everything.
Dylan (17m 7s):
I mean, they really do. It just depends on who's pushing what at the time. Right. I'm a data guy, Brian. I, I look for data. I do like, I do continuous glucose monitors to study what works, what doesn't. I do the lumen for the breath and I see how I'm waking up every morning. What did I do a little different? What time of day was it? Did I sleep? You know, how did I sleep? I'm a big, big guy on real data, not bs, you know? Yeah.
Brian (17m 29s):
So, yeah. Yeah. Nowadays you can get a lot of data. Yeah. Almost too much sometimes. Right? True. True. I mean, I like the wearables and I think they're great to some degree. I was u using, you know, a whoop and CGMs and I think they're great, but I also think you don't need 'em for your whole life. Like, I, like you can sort of tell like I know when I got good sleep And what I didn't, I, I mean, I don't necessarily need a advice to tell me that sometimes it's good for confirmation, but, you know, so I I I think it, yeah, I, I agree. I think they can be used as tools, but you wanna sort of rely on like exactly how you feel. I agree. Not what something else is telling you. But anyways, we were just talking doctors. Scott Cher was, who's been on my podcast, was on yours and methylene blue, which has gotten attention.
Brian (18m 11s):
I've started taking it myself, not like, just on like a as is basis, you know, just when I'm sort of feeling like it, like I was traveling, we traveled overseas to Israel, so I was like, you know, I remember him mentioning, you know, when you're traveling long distances to maybe take some, and there's been some people knocking methylene blue. What do you, what are your thoughts around it as sort of a, you know, an adjunct or a biohack?
Dylan (18m 32s):
I didn't even know about it till he taught me about it. Oh. But that was been several months ago now. So since then I've dug into it quite a bit and I've used his and, and
Brian (18m 41s):
Tropics. Yeah.
Dylan (18m 42s):
Yes. And, and then he's got the two, one is just blue and then the other one is the, oh, the one that's got the nicotine,
Brian (18m 49s):
The nicotine in it. I haven't tried that one. I just been using the just blue and small. I started really small. Like I, I think I've been doing, I think one tr if you, or what do they call it? Yeah. I'm probably pronouncing it wrong, but it's a little square. I just cut it in half and half, half of it. That's,
Dylan (19m 6s):
It's the same thing. I do, same exact thing. I do it a few three, four days a week in the morning. Now I take the immunity one he has every day. That's not really the methyl blue in there though, but what I found with it is the days I'm, the days that I wake up that I'm feeling a little sluggish or like a, I'm like, okay, I know today's gonna be a little bit more difficult than the day before. That's kind of when I take it. Or if I got a day that's stacked, you know, like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And I really need to be focused. I like to take it on those days too. Yeah. But you're, you, you gotta understand too, when you're taking those little trs and you're splitting them in half even, you're not taking very much. Right. You're, you're way below what a lot of people take in terms of milligrams.
Dylan (19m 46s):
So, right. You know, I'm gonna discuss with him. We're talking Thursday, I'm gonna record with him and we're gonna talk about all of the, 'cause you, you know how it is. Okay. Anytime get something gets popularized or it starts becoming mainstream, there's gonna be a lot of hate on, on top of a lot of the people that are really intrigued. And so there's some guys, like, he, he did talk about Paul Sino talking bad about it and other people he pointed out. So we're gonna let him, because he is very, very well, well researched on this. So some of those guys, I don't think they are.
Brian (20m 21s):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, methylene has been used for so long. Yeah. And it's, it, it is pretty crazy that something gets invented for like a die. And Now I know, and that was, what was that in the 19, I don't even know, was in the sixties. I don't even, maybe even before that. And now it's being used as an adjunct and maybe to help with, you know, mitochondrial health and cellular health, which, yes. I, I think that's where a lot of stuff is going. Don't you like, just like improving your mitochondrial health and like, just like increasing a TP and things like that. I feel like that's where I see the wellness space go really going towards.
Dylan (20m 52s):
So like my biggest partner is timeline. And timeline makes might appear. Yeah. And I really am very, because I, when I was a lot younger and getting into the influencer space and getting in with different supplement companies and it kind of tarnished me because they would do things that I, I was very ignorant at the time. I was like, oh, I'm getting paid sweet. You know? I mean, sure. I was new to it And now I'm so jaded that I'm, I'm so careful who I work with. And I literally, in my 20 some years of dealing with supplements and products, I've never seen anything like this because of what it does and how proven it is. And it's, it's all based around cellular repair in terms of stimulating autophagy, which will repair your mitochondria.
Dylan (21m 34s):
And what you find if you study and understand biology, which is funny, was my most hated subject my whole life. Like I despised it with every ounce of my being. And now it's my favorite thing in the world. Once I gave it a chance and realized how it was. And anyway, every disease that we have, every single thing, it, it basically originates in our cells, whether it's the cell membrane or the mitochondria. And so that's why everybody shifted to that and looked to that because what the findings are is that if you can mitigate and prevent that from happening, well you have a lot less likelihood of inflammation, which we know causes diseases or just disease in general beginning. And if it's not cellular, it's in your gut, it's one or the other.
Dylan (22m 16s):
And that's where all the literature and data shows now. So my reasoning for putting so much effort into it is what I've learned is, well, we're trying to prevent all of these things before, because you know how it is. Well, you're getting old, it's inevitable. Well, well no, it doesn't have to be inevitable. It doesn't. And, and you can do every possible thing you can to mitigate, prevent, or at least lengthen your lifespan and make it better. And that's where it would start. So yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. A hundred percent.
Brian (22m 45s):
And the timeline, their main supplement is that your U litan a, is that correct? Yep,
Dylan (22m 51s):
Yep. Might appear is the purest form of U Litan A. Okay.
Brian (22m 54s):
So
Dylan (22m 55s):
Yes, I, and it's not just because they, you know, I partnered with them for a reason. I spent months and months reading and researching and talking to their scientists and everything before I even attempted to do any type of work with them. I mean, I think it was, I met them in December and didn't start till March with them because of all the studying and reading that I did. And I spent hours and hours interviewing and talking. And what I found blew me away. And that's why right Now I Do you know Dr. Betsy Earth? Elizabeth
Brian (23m 24s):
Earth? I don't think so. I don't think so.
Dylan (23m 26s):
Okay. That's an interview you should have. She's okay. One of my mentors. Anyway, she, I'm doing a that and I'll introduce you to her if you like. Thank you. She is doing a beta class right now for cellular health coaching, which I'm just finishing up right now. So I'll be a certified cellular health coach and you wanna talk about a wealth of knowledge And what I've learned, I mean, it's a staggering, she's one of the few people I go to to talk about Peptides or anything where I defer and realize that she's above me by a large amount. Mm. You know, so you gotta have people like that in your life, man. 'cause the minute you think you know too much, you realize you don't know anything, you know?
Brian (23m 60s):
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, and, and, and so, okay. What, what was her, what was her name again? Just so I have
Dylan (24m 6s):
Dr. Dr. Elizabeth u.
Brian (24m 8s):
Okay. I'm sure if I maybe saw her.
Dylan (24m 10s):
She's friends with Dr. Scott too.
Brian (24m 12s):
Okay. Okay. All the smart people hang out together. High school, that's, it's like, it's like high school. They do.
Dylan (24m 17s):
They do. We gotta get smarter to hang out with the Mac.
Brian (24m 21s):
Have you seen a difference taking the earth U Litan? A I have. Okay. I have. 'cause I know there's been some good studies around muscle growth or I remember, I don't know if I did a video on it or I remember researching it a little bit back, you know, maybe this was a year ago or so.
Dylan (24m 34s):
You know, one of the things that is good about the way that I live where you kind of do the same things at the same times every day, eat you, you know, everything is, you know, when something's working and when something's not, because you're so intricate in what you do and you don't make any changes. And one of the things I've definitely noticed with it that is scientifically proven is the endurance increase. And dude, let me tell ya, I know when there's any change whatsoever and anything I do endurance wise because of the way I do it the same every day. Right. And that's been one of the areas I've definitely noticed. And just overall sense of wellbeing during the day. You know, I, I do blood panels every three or four months, so I'm eager to see what they look like here. I'm gonna do another one in a couple weeks from the last time when I started it to see how things have changed now.
Dylan (25m 14s):
And I, I do comprehensive studies, so I do hormone optimization is what I do for a lot of people they hire me for. And so I, I'm very intricate in the blood panels And what I do. It, it's very necessary. The doctors and everything will not tell ya or have you on a fraction of what you need to test when you go in to really determine if you have a health issue or not. And a lot of these places like Quest, they'll, they're constantly rotating what they say is in a good range. And you find a lot of times if it says you're in, when you're really not sure. And so there's a lot of like learning curve there and education that people need to really go through to make sure they're taking best care of themselves. And that's why people come to me is to kind of fix them up, so to speak, or monitor and maintain their health.
Dylan (26m 1s):
Who
Brian (26m 1s):
Do you use for blood testing and like what are maybe your like top things that you look at?
Dylan (26m 5s):
So one of my most irritating things that I can possibly get into is the way that cholesterol is tested, viewed upon, and talked about. I found that I had a genetic condition with my heart and that is called an LP little A, which is lipoprotein little A. And they never test for this. When you go in for testing, you're getting tested for H-D-L-L-D-L, total cholesterol and triglycerides. And then very, sometimes they'll add like A-V-L-D-L, but generally speaking, not really. And it really is, I don't wanna say insignificant, But it's not the core root of what we need to be looking for. So you need to be looking at A POB LP little A in your particle sizes.
Dylan (26m 45s):
These are the heart attack, heart risk markers, the silent killer, so to speak. LP little A is a genetic issue. It cannot be fixed with diet, it cannot be fixed with exercise. So there's a lot of, or lack thereof of understanding on it. And a lot of doctors don't know what to say or do. I even went to the Mayo Clinic and was just floored by the lack of understanding or education on it. Taking a statin for LP little A will increase the problem. It will not fix it, it will not help it, it will actually make it worse. And a lot of doctors will go that route and it's just senseless.
Dylan (27m 26s):
So when it comes to those markers, those are very important. Micronutrient testing, very important. You should be testing for heavy metals, aluminum, different markers that will get more in depth in your vitamins, for example. 'cause vitamin D is like one of the biggest, most important factors on leaky gut and not having enough. So it's like when I do a panel, it could cost you five, $600 to do a real good panel. Now normally I'll just say go to private MD labs or Quest or one of those places, I'll pick out your panels for you, depending upon what we're looking for and how, how I feel that we need to go in terms of in depth. But there's deep like liver tests and I have a whole, I mean, so if you wanna see this big thing right here is all from my class and they're, all of these tests are, and there's a whole chapter covering tests I didn't even know about that I have to start implementing in there.
Dylan (28m 15s):
But there's, there's so many different aspects of, well, why is my liver values elevated, for example. But all of this other stuff tests out, you know, and you could have a fibro scan or something done and your liver's fine, but they're still having elevated values. Well it's because there's something else causing it somewhere. And we don't know, like iron ferritin for example. You could have one issue or the other, But it doesn't make sense because they, you know, you have high iron, low ferritin or vice versa. Why? Well, we gotta dig in and find out you got a thyroid issue. Well, you might be low on selenium, low on iodine too much. There's, it's, it's endless stuff here to, to really look at. And so as a, an optimizer of blood panels and health, it's a, it's a big responsibility man, like to do that.
Dylan (28m 60s):
It really is.
Brian (29m 1s):
Yeah. No, I mean, nowadays I think it, it is more accessible to get these tests done. Like you said, you can think the company that keeps targeting me, but there's quite a bit out there. I know Merrick Health is a big one. And yeah, I mean I, you know, you go to the doctor, they're not gonna run a test unless they feel like they need to, or it's uncovered by insurance. So it's like, you gotta sort of take it into your own hands.
Dylan (29m 21s):
You do. And a lot of times they'll be like, well, why do you want to take that? It's like, dude, who are you? Gimme my test. Like, what do you mean? Because I want to, they, they overstep their bounds at times. So I generally, I have a very cool doctor. He kind of went to a rival high school of mine. He's kind of my same age. So he's very cool. But that, that's not, that's, that doesn't just happen for everybody. And I'm blessed to have the other doctors that I have that will, so for instance, I was talking about statins and things of that nature. I have doctors that were willing to write me prescriptions for things that they generally don't write for. So Repatha is a PCSK nine inhibitor, which is what I needed for my condition. And vascepa, these are PCSK nines are far different than statins.
Dylan (30m 2s):
And they're very, very, very expensive. And doctors that if they start writing scripts from 'em, you know what happens, the insurance companies will threaten to drop them from their network because they don't want that. So that's part of the reason why, and this is not conspiracy, this is 100% fact confirmed by several drug reps that I know personally and people that shouldn't be sharing the information with me that have, because they actually are good people and they care. So doctors, you'll, because I've wondered why, why don't they ever prescribe? So for instance, on aromatase inhibitors, you always see a TRT, they always prescribe anastrozole and they never do aromasin. And I kept, I couldn't understand why. Well, it's an insurance thing.
Dylan (30m 42s):
It's an insurance thing. And that's how it goes with, that's why they prevalently teach these doctors that statins cure everything, when in fact they do not. And they have a merit, but they totally misused and they're given to far too many people. And I could say that for other things too. I don't want to just demonize statins. And they do have some sort of use, but it's far less than, than what it's given. You know, and that's just one example. But these are facts. This is not opinion and it's proven. And I've seen it time and time again. And
Brian (31m 16s):
TRT, is that something that you do yourself or you know, clients are using?
Dylan (31m 20s):
I have been on TRT since my 32 ish, right around there. But that was my own fault. I didn't actually need it. I put myself on it. I had a little run there of steroid use. And because of that, it made, it required me to use TRI try to get people to steer away from it as much as possible until they actually physically need it. Sure. A lot of people will go to me and have low testosterone numbers. But I will try to find the core of that. Sometimes there's an underlying factor as to why. And we can fix that without needing TRT. Sometimes it's, you know, lifestyle, bad diet, bad sleep habits, high stress, and it's, you know, sometimes fixable, sometimes like a high SHBG will bound up free testosterone.
Dylan (32m 4s):
And then of course that will cause you to fill that crap and have lower numbers. Well, if we fix the SHBG problem, that bound up testosterone is now free. And you're, you're gonna start to notice a difference. But I'm very pro TRT if it's needed, as long as it's controlled and handled properly. And, And you know, I, I know of good clinics to go to. You just have to find the right places you need to go to professionals. So a professional endocrinologist or a very reputable clinic like vitality clinic, anti-aging clinic, that isn't just gonna put you on something that you don't need just to make money. So they're out there, there's bad actors out there. 'cause I've had people come to me with like 500 test scores and they're on TRT and said, they got it written there.
Dylan (32m 46s):
And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What? You know, like what? And it's, it's disturbing. But I try to help people stay on the course as best I can.
Brian (32m 55s):
Sure. I just lost my train of thought for a second. Okay. So
Dylan (32m 59s):
Go ahead one. That's okay. One thing I'll point out is you have to understand when you're on TRT, you're on TRT. You don't take TRT for a a year and
Brian (33m 7s):
Stop. Once you get on it, you're, does it being on it, does it sort of, I don't know if that's the right word, but like suppress your natural? Yes. Okay. That's why, right?
Dylan (33m 17s):
Yes. Okay. So what happens is you're taking something exogenously, well, your body then forgets to stop producing it. 'cause it, it realizes, oh, I don't have to produce this anymore. It's coming levels. Well, when you do that to your testosterone and say, let's say you take it for a year, okay. And you stop taking it, your body doesn't understand. You can take Clate or Noex to jumpstart production, but after you've suppressed levels that long, your body's never really recovers. I've seen, I've seen very few outliers fix this, like very, very few. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's like you're got a better chance of winning the lottery on, on some of this, you know? So it's just, you need to understand.
Dylan (33m 58s):
And I try to tell all these young guys, when you use steroids young, you don't understand what's gonna happen later. And a lot of things you think you don't want or don't care about, I assure you, you know, like not, you're gonna really impede your chances of having kids. Not saying it's impossible, but it's, the likelihood is really decreasing and you're gonna be sticking yourself with a needle forever. And there's a lot that that goes involved in that. And when you use steroids too young, you're stunting, you're like, you're shutting off growth plates, you're putting a lot of pressure on your organs and things that you don't understand. So
Brian (34m 29s):
We talk a lot about, on this podcast about routines. Maybe what's your favorite morning and evening routine? So,
Dylan (34m 36s):
I'm pretty consistent. I, right when I wake up, I do my prayers in the morning. I get up, I take my like lumen breath and then I have like my supplements in the morning and I immediately just go outside and start walking. I do about a 20 to 25 minute walk clear, like get some sun, clear my head, do some more prayers, get ready for the day. And then I'll generally, it depends on the day on when I do my cardio. So I like to come home and I normally have meetings and calls to knock out and start to record some content. Then I do, I go downstairs and hit cardio. I have like my own treadmill and elliptical like in here in my house. And then normally it's like shower, eat and get ready for a podcast.
Dylan (35m 18s):
I'm either shooting or I'm on and I eat in between there too. Before I do cardio. When I can, if it's early, I'll fast, I'll do fasted cardio and mix that in. And then it's like, either I'm shooting a podcast recording or I'm working again gym at night. And then I come home and I have a massage chair downstairs. I have to go in every night because I'm a wreck. And then I try to spend some time with my wife or we'll play pickleball or something. And I spend time with my cat. And then I normally I'm in studies or reading at night and then try to, I'm trying to get my sleep patterns a lot better. 'cause I was staying up till two, three in the morning And now I'm trying to go to bed by one every night and get up at seven or eight.
Dylan (35m 60s):
'cause it's just far more productive. So
Brian (36m 2s):
It's But you're, you're a late nighter.
Dylan (36m 4s):
I'm trying to not, you know, it's funny because I've gone through phases where I've gotten up at five. When I lived in Maui, I was getting up at five, six in the morning. 'cause you don't want to Right. You know, and you go to bed a lot earlier. I'm, I, I'm trying to get back in that, okay, we're going to bed between 12 and one, getting up at seven and eight, you're just far more productive, you know? So
Brian (36m 24s):
Yeah, yeah, being consistent is really important. I mean, I'm, I'm like an, I'm a morning person, so I'd rather go to bed early and then get up early. That's just, yeah, I, I've always been like that. But some people can do work at night. I just, once it gets past a certain time, I'm like, I'm done.
Dylan (36m 40s):
You know, you got it right though because the best sleep is earlier in the night. You get the best crisp sleep and Yeah, it's, you just feel better in the morning. You really do. So I'm, I'm trying and I'm, you just have to force yourself, you know, to, to get into a pattern.
Brian (36m 56s):
Well, you know, what you could do is, I, I've done this with clients, is set, set like your alarm at like, I don't know, let's say 10:00 PM like, just like, okay, now it's time to get ready even though you're not going to bed at 10 for you. But maybe give yourself an hour just to get into that mode and then, I don't know, that might help, but
Dylan (37m 15s):
It's, I try to do too damn much every day as part of my problem. Yeah. And I know it and because it's always, I look and I go, man, I think I did so much today, but I feel like I really didn't accomplish much. And it's just, I think it's in my own head, you know? Yeah,
Brian (37m 30s):
No, I hear ya. Yeah. Being productive is fun, right. But sometimes it could be you, you know, things that are somewhat mindless and maybe just are taking up too much time and, but yeah, I try to do my most important thing first thing and then 'cause I start to fade. My productivity goes down as the day goes on. I
Dylan (37m 49s):
Understand.
Brian (37m 49s):
I like to ask this question, what's one thing, what's one tip you'd give someone? Maybe, you know, they're in their mid forties or fifties or sixties and they're looking to get their body back to what it once was. Maybe like 10, 15 years ago. What, like, one tip would you give that individual?
Dylan (38m 3s):
Take it in stride and in steps and don't try to do too much at once. Start implementing things slowly. Get your body used to it. Don't, don't, don't look for shortcuts because they're not there. Whether it's, oh, I'm gonna take this supplement or this PED or whatever, take it in stride. Make a goal, say, okay, this week I really, I wanna fix my diet X, y, z. Don't try to do it all at once. If you try to make a drastic change all at once, you're setting yourself up for failure. You have to be patient and understand that this takes time. You can lose it a lot faster than you can gain it. So, you know, developing a habit and sticking with it is the most important.
Dylan (38m 44s):
And then pushing yourself and adding to it. But you have to take it in stride. I see so many people try to do everything at once or quit a habit all at once. Not phase it out and not teach themselves, okay, look, I I did this one day. Sweet. I know I can do it. You may slip a couple days and have a craving or you know, get lazy or whatever, but you know, you can do it 'cause you just did it. And then just overcome, overcome, overcome. Keep setting a new goal, achieve it, and then be hungry for more. Right. Don't be complacent. That's what I always start people with and ease them into things.
Brian (39m 19s):
Yeah, that's good. Yeah. I mean, I always say just start with one thing, right? Yeah, yeah. No, and, and if you try to do too much at once, then you end up doing nothing. That's right.
Dylan (39m 30s):
A a lot of the businesses that I've ran and worked with, I have people in there that they'll, they'll have 900 ideas and wanna do this, this, this and this. And then nothing ever actually gets done. Right. You know, and I'm like, let's take X, you know, you got X, Y, Z, let's take X, let's do that first. Let's make that as good as we can be, achieve that and then we'll move on. We gotta, we gotta a plan, we know it's there, but let's not try to do 50,000 things at once. 'cause it then you just, you're so scattered, you start 20 things and you never complete one of 'em.
Brian (39m 60s):
No, no, that's great advice. Well this is great Dylan. Best place for people to find you. Yeah,
Dylan (40m 5s):
I'm at, I'm very simple at Dylan Gemelli on Instagram, Facebook, TikTok and then Dylan Gemelli dot com is being rebuilt right now, so there's a side up, but it's not a lot yet. But that's gonna have, you know, my hormone optimizing and coaching. And then my, my podcast is on YouTube, Dylan Gemelli biohacking and then Dylan Gemelli podcast on Apple. Spotify like, I don't know, eight or nine different places on there. But apple's, you know, the the place that I try to get people to go to and leave reviews and things like that.
Brian (40m 36s):
That's awesome. Well, I appreciate you coming on and dropping all this knowledge on us and I'll definitely put links in the show notes so people can find you. And yeah, thanks. Thanks so much for coming on.
Dylan (40m 45s):
Absolutely, man. I enjoyed it. It was a pleasure and I appreciate it.
Brian (40m 48s):
Thanks for listening to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes at Brian Gryn dot com for everything that was mentioned in this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.
