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Interview with Timmy Haman: Science of Palm Cooling and Exercise Performance!

June 3, 2024 in Podcast

Intro

This week I interviewed Timmy Haman, who has been pioneering an absolutely revolutionary fitness protocol called Palm Cooling!

In this episode, we discuss the concept of palm cooling and its impact on exercise performance. Timmy shares his personal journey and the development of the peak performance bar, highlighting the science behind palm cooling, along with its practical application in workouts.

The conversation delves into the physiological and cognitive effects of body temperature regulation, offering insights into the future of exercise performance enhancement!

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Brian (0s):

Coming up on the GETLEAN E Clean podcast,

Timmy (4s):

He was talking about some studies they'd done at Stanford and they were like, they had a group of trained individuals, guys that came in and did pull-ups and these were newbies and they did pull-ups, rested three minutes, pull-ups, and, and did 10 sets. So pretty high volume in that sense. And then they had them in and doing only the pounds on their hands for six weeks, have them in twice a week, and they increased 144% in six weeks. And like, I mean, anybody's done a bit of straight training, like that's just like that, that's seems like way, way beyond steroids. And it actually is in terms of performance gains. And I'm like, wow, this sounds really, really interesting.

Brian (48s):

Hello and welcome to the GETLEAN E Clean podcast. I'm Brian Gryn and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week. I'll give you an in depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long term sustainable results. This week to interview Timmy Hammond, who has been pioneering an absolutely revolutionary fitness protocol called Palm Cooling. We discussed the concept of Palm Cooling and its impact on exercise performance. He shared his personal journey in the development of the Peak performance bar, highlighting the science behind palm cooling and its practical application in workouts.

Brian (1m 27s):

We also delved into the psychological and cognitive effects of body temperature regulation, offering insights into the future of exercise performance and enhancement. Really enjoyed my interview with Timmy. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Alright, Welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn and I Timmy Hamon. Welcome to the show.

Timmy (1m 53s):

Hi Brian. Thank you much for having me on. I'm very excited to talk to your listeners about the, this concept of PO coding actually.

Brian (2m 2s):

Yeah, great to have you on and just start learning about your technology or the technology that you're bringing to light through the, you know, through your fitness, through the fitness industry. And maybe before we get into all that, what's, what's your backstory and how did you, how did you get into, you know, sort of devising this, this fitness protocol?

Timmy (2m 20s):

Yeah, sure. Basically I'm, as you know, as a lot of people, like in my teens, I did a bit of sports and I'm originally from Sweden, so played a bit of football or soccer as you say, in the us. And then I ended up playing a bit more handball, which is like a European sport, you could say something, a mix of basketball and an American football. Like, it's pretty physical, it's not like American football or rugby type of thing, but it's, it's very physical. So around the age of like 15, they started sending us to the gym and I, I like that, get a bit of experience. But then like around 19, did national service for a year and kinda stopped doing sports and ended up working on cruise ships for a bit.

Timmy (3m 8s):

And at the age of 24, I came back and I looked at myself in the mirror and I was like, I was pretty overweight, I was really unhealthy. I'd just been like drinking and et cetera, like living a cruise ship life, like basically living in a buffet for, for a couple of years that I, I was just like care at myself. I'm like, you know what, this gotta change. Like if I continue living like I have now, this is just not gonna, it's not gonna work. So I started working out again, going back to the gym, you know, like used experience I had and did progress of course as you do in like 24, starting working out again. So did progress and, but the, what can I say, I'm liking. So I started engineering as well.

Timmy (3m 48s):

So I, and I like science and I kept on reading on more things, getting more into the nutrition And, you know, like getting more and more knowledge of how to train better and into podcasts and those things. And a couple of years ago I listened to the Hub Man Lab podcast, which I'm sure you and somewhere e listens are aware of, which like for me that's kind of a detailed guy, like it's great. Three hours of just deep down in the weeds of things. And he was talking about something called Palm Cooling, which basically if you cool the palm through your hand, you can increase your exercise performance. He was talking about some studies they'd done at Stanford and they were like, they had a group of trained individuals guys that came in and did pull-ups and these were newbies and they did pull-ups, rested three minutes, pull-ups and, and did 10 sets.

Timmy (4m 40s):

So pretty high volume in that sense. And then they had them in and doing only the palms on their hands for six weeks, have them in twice a week. And they increased 144% in six weeks. And like, I mean, anybody's done a bit of straight training, like that's just like that, that seems like way, way beyond steroids and it actually is in terms of performance gains. And I'm like, wow, this sounds really, really interesting. So I looked up the studies and I kind of like he's, he's a little bit full of shit there if you put in language like no, no, this is really actually what happened. And then he does a second podcast with a Dr. Craig Heller from Stanford as well, who had kinda come up with this.

Timmy (5m 25s):

He said he was talking about that some of this started to kinda like people heard about the Palm Cooling So. they had former like NFL player that had played for Stanford coming and talking to them about this. And they had one guy in called Greg Clark who played Titan for San Francisco 49 ERs. And they asked him like, so what are you good at? And he's like, I'm good at doing dips. So he could chunk out about 40 dips first set and then drop down So. they had him do dips resting three minutes and off five sets. He was like, I'm done. And then he came in three days later and then they did pump Cooling on him as well. And the second set he could do eight reps more with pump Cooling and he continued to do more reps.

Timmy (6m 12s):

So the first time he did 103 in five sets in total. Second time he had done, he'd done 135 in five sets. Like that's a 31% increase in a couple of days for an NFL player, which is like obviously peak condition. Like, and even after those fail, like when he'd increase that amount of reps, you'd think he'd be like absolutely exhausted. No, he could continue and did four more sets. He in total increased his workload by like 80% the first, the first time he did this, then they had him in fine.

Brian (6m 48s):

Yeah. Timmy, just just so people understand, and I know it might sound very intuitive, but palm Cooling, is that simply just, yeah, maybe explain

Timmy (6m 59s):

Yeah, sure. That a little bit. So, so yeah, it is basically Cooling the palms of your hands between sets.

Brian (7m 5s):

Okay. So

Timmy (7m 6s):

Good, good shout to get of like, I'll probably get to that at some point, but yeah. Yes, it is just, they have a, they built a fairly advanced mechanism to kind of like cool the palms of their hands at a specific temperature around 15 degrees Celsius, 45, 50 Fahrenheit. 'cause that's the kind of optimal temperature for this. But yeah, that's the, the part of it. And yeah, of the six of the five weeks he had increased the total workload by 201% and that's an NFL player. And I'm like, you know, like you listen to this and you're like, you know, you hear a lot of things and I'm like sometimes, oh, you can do this and you can improve a little bit here, a little bit there.

Timmy (7m 46s):

And most of the time, like as a recreation athlete that myself, like, I'm like, well, I'm not gonna jump through hoops to gain 3% in a year. Like that's not what I'm like, I'm not gonna do anything but this stuff. It was big enough. So I was like, I somehow gotta try this, you know what I mean? Like, it was too big of a game to just like check my head out and, and not even try it. So I, what I did was basically to kind of try to replicate as much as possible what they were doing. They had, they have a product that's like for one hand, $1,500, both hands, three grand. And I was like, I wanted to try this, but not that much. So instead I did a bit of a DYI solution, sat down in the gym, had a bucket of water and some ice to keep the right temperature and a rod out of it.

Timmy (8m 32s):

So I sat down between my sets, put my hands in water to cool them down and did a couple of different exercises. And as a 40-year-old with 15 years of experience in the gym, the best I did was 48% increase in five weeks. Like better than new big gains. Like super, super fascinated by how well it kinda worked for me.

Brian (8m 59s):

Wow. you know, it's inter it's interesting because I, I've, I've not done this directly. Like I have a, a cold plunge and I, there was, there was a time I, I haven't done it lately, but I would go in it, come out for a bit and then do a workout. And I actually found that my stamina, 'cause your body takes longer to heat up that I'm sure it's, that's the same type of technology or the same idea with the palm Cooling obviously a little bit easier to do that at the gym than than jump in a, you know, a bath of cold water. But is that the same type of thought process behind that, behind the palm Cooling?

Timmy (9m 41s):

Yeah, it, it's exactly the same thing. So kind of like if we go a little bit, take a step back, And, what why this kind of works is that, so our body is, you can say a little bit of an ineffective machine. So when we work out the energy or like we just use 20% of the energy in our muscles for actually movement, 80% goes lost in heat, which is why we kind of like, we work out, we start getting up and get warm and, and, and that's because when our muscles contract, 80% of it is just heat loss. But we are also a mammal, which means that we live at a kind of pretty set temp body temperature and you know, like we, we have about 98.5 Fahrenheit, 36.5 Celsius normal body temperature.

Timmy (10m 27s):

But like, if that goes up a little bit, we, it's dangerous pretty quickly. Like it's, it's a very narrow spectrum we have to live with there. And because of this, our body and evolution is like so clever. So it has put in a lot of defense mechanisms to make sure that we don't overeat. 'cause I was saying like if you go to 106, 170 degrees pretty quickly, like you're in hospital, like, because it's really dangerous. So to make sure that that doesn't happen, the body has yeah. Put in protection mechanisms. And a part of that is in our muscles there is an enzyme called pyruvate kinase that helps producing the A TP and this enzyme is heat sensitive.

Timmy (11m 12s):

So as soon as your body temperature goes up a little bit, the energy production goes down because if you can continue push yourself when you are heating up, you can drive yourself to overheating and you can both locally cook your muscle and overheat your entire body. So, so that kind of works as a counter mechanism. As soon as your body start heating up the energy production goes the other way. And when it reaches a certain point, like a muscle reach 39, 40 degrees Celsius, the energy production almost get completely shut off. So, and and like the okay say like, so in a lot of cases actually what doesn't happen is the muscle doesn't fatigue, it overheats and the energy production is shut off.

Timmy (12m 5s):

That's what often happens. But we think we've reached failure or something like that But, it isn't actually the muscle fatiguing, it's just overheating. And

Brian (12m 17s):

So we're thinking, we're thinking we've hit fatigue, but really you, you might have, but you might not. You your, you might just, your body's just sort of going to taper off, you know, because it thinks it's, it's 'cause it's overheating more so, and it's more of a protective mechanism. So when you cool the palms is, is that the most efficient way to cool yourself through your palms?

Timmy (12m 38s):

Yes, it is. And, and I was gonna say one more thing on that, I, I get to the palm in a second and it's also, what is even more kind of clever with this in my view is that it even affects how we feel mentally. So when we heat up, we feel more fatigued. If you think about it, like if you're in a warm country, you're like lying by the beach most of the time. Like you're just like, you don't feel like doing anything because your body knows that if you're gonna run a marathon out, you're gonna overheat really quickly. But if you jump in a pool, all the sensors of the body feels that like, oh, we're not afraid of overheating anymore and you've, you get instant energy and that's just like how the body is like, like I find it fantastic because it's, it's so clever.

Timmy (13m 25s):

It, it just really tells us to like, no, no, don't go and push yourself too hard because that's dangerous. So it, it affects both your physical performance and your mental performance. And you asked about, yeah, you asked about the palms there and yes, there is basically three areas on our body which have glare skin and that means that there is no hair follicles and those are palms of our hand, bottom of our feet and above the beard line in the face. And then the same for females, even though they don't have beard, but all the rest of our body has hair follicles, even though we not maybe be as hairy as monkeys, et cetera.

Timmy (14m 5s):

These areas have a tighter blood vessels called Avis. Not only are they tighter So, they transport heat better when they go to our heart. They don't go through thin capillaries, which is kind of like stopping the blood up and it's like pushing something through a tight tube. They go through the veins all the way, which means they're basically going on the highway instead to our heart. So these three areas are the most effective and naturally why they do the palms in kind of test and why I was doing palms is that it's by far the most practical way. Like you, you have shoes on when you work out and having something kind of, your forehead is gotta be destructive, but you could do it with your, the palms or bottom of your feet and your forehead as well.

Timmy (14m 54s):

So it, it's like, yeah, that's, that's the mechanism in it in, and so when they do the pom Cooling, they systematically cool down the body and the muscles so you can perform better. Really,

Brian (15m 7s):

Really neat tech. I mean, neat and simple, like there's so much out there now with so much complexity and, and expensive, you know, like protocols for trying to gain muscle or, or get an edge in the weight room. But I, I definitely can see this. 'cause like I said, when I, when I would do those plunges, I felt like I could, I could work out harder and, and like longer than I could just under normal conditions. And, and yeah, I also too, like I agree like when you're in like a, like even like with my, even with dogs, you see this like if it gets hot outside, I mean you go for walks and that's enough for them.

Brian (15m 49s):

Yeah. Whereas if it's, you know, not cool, fairly cool out, they can play all day, you know, so it's, it's not just obviously for people as well, but dogs and animals,

Timmy (15m 59s):

Yeah, no, but, and, and it's actually, this works in everything. So like, like our mitochondria across the body is heat sensitive, which means that like they've done tests with this that if you, if you are really warm, if you heat up too much, like your cognitive performance goes down as well because the, it doesn't click properly in the brain and the energy isn't produced properly. It, it has like huge impacts in that sense. And as I said, it kind of like, yeah, it impacts how you feel as well. And if you, if you do cardio exercises or kind of endurance things, it really brings your heart rate down as well. I actually kind of put off the press, I shared our PO device with a guy at the gym who had, who does like, because I don't do a lot of cardio, I'm doing mostly lifting.

Timmy (16m 51s):

And he'd been running on the treadmill and he saw his heart rate go up and then he just put his hand on it and hit his heart rate dropped. It went from 1 75 to 1 5 5 what in, in a minute. And then he let it off and then it goes up. So it seems to kind of, this is my own analytical brain trying to figure out exactly how it works from, from an endurance perspective. But what I think is that because the body gets automatically cooled down, it doesn't need to pump as much blood through to, to cool yourself down and, and therefore the heart rate kind of goes down so you can run for further and faster with the same, same heart rate.

Timmy (17m 33s):

And

Brian (17m 33s):

When did you, you, I noticed you developed this like peak performance bar, which is, you know, like a simply just a, a bar and, and there's like, how did you come up with designing that and and when did you come out with that?

Timmy (17m 48s):

Yeah, so, so as I said, like my first, the first thing I did myself was like sitting there with my hands in a bucket of water and I, I did really great gains, but to be frank, carrying that one between sets around the gym and everything, like it was just like, this was fantastic But, it was so impractical. So I kinda like, I I can't continue doing this. Like, it was, it, it was too, it was a fun test for five or six weeks, but after that I was like, this is not a practical medication. So

Brian (18m 17s):

Right.

Timmy (18m 18s):

I, I was like, I put that to the side and then I started using like, I have call them

Brian (18m 24s):

Ice, like an ice stick or like a

Timmy (18m 26s):

More like an ice, what do you call it? Ice block. But that's too cold. Okay. Because also when, when a when you do this, it, it should be about, yeah, say 15 degrees Celsius, 45, 50 Fahrenheit because if it, if it's too cold you get va constriction, the fancy word of saying that the blood vessels close and then it kind of becomes counterproductive because you have less blood flow in, in the palms of your hands than, than you would normally have. So like you need to have the right kinda temperature, but obviously with an ice block it would be too cold. So I had like a towel in between and to make it kinda work.

Timmy (19m 7s):

And I did in my forties and I started lifting better than I ever have, but did doing PBS in certain things when, when injuries didn't really stop me, but I then also kind of engineering thinking realized that from a heat transferability perspective, the towels and anything like that isn't a effective way of doing it. Like a metal transfers heat, much, much better water transfer, heat much better. So a lot of different things dried with different materials and And, you know, like tank testing, testing in and outta the gym, how does this feel? How do I feel? How, how much do I heat up? And like tons of different things and calculating how, how much, because it also needs to stay cool for your entire workout if you have something.

Timmy (19m 55s):

Like it's great to have something that that cool for 10, 50 minutes, but if it's not cool half an hour, an hour into workout, it just doesn't really compute. So yeah, used a lot of my engineering thinking and stuff to get to the product we have to get.

Brian (20m 11s):

And, and and I was just gonna say, how long do you keep it on the palms and then do you just do this in between your sets?

Timmy (20m 21s):

Yeah, so really like if we talk, I would use it as often as I can between sets you

Brian (20m 28s):

Okay.

Timmy (20m 28s):

If you think about it, like it, IM impacts everything and as you were saying, like you kinda do a cold plunge before and that brings down the, your core body temperature and then you can go for longer because the fatigue curve is directly correlated to your heating up thing. So what you'd kind of want to do, if you generalize all the protocols and stuff is that you want to keep as cool as possible throughout your workout. Obviously if you want to do an intense workout, you should do an intense workout, but like flying Cooling and avoiding heating up such as wearing super warm clothing, like when you're at the gym, like now when I have this, I I'm going into the gym sometimes and I see people having like three layers of clothing and I'm like, hey, that is really impacting your performance because you're gonna heat up and it's just not gonna, you're not gonna recover as fast.

Timmy (21m 18s):

So I would use, I use it as like kind of often as I can between sets, between exercises and yeah. And always thinking about trying to be as cool as possible, like to ensure that my body doesn't heat up more than necessary because that has a negative impact on, on the performance in whatever you're doing.

Brian (21m 43s):

Very cool. And, and then you developed the peak performance bar. When did that, when did you, when did that come out?

Timmy (21m 49s):

Yeah, so I launched it like a couple of weeks ago just, yeah, okay. Just a couple of weeks ago. So very excited of seeing like how it can help people out there be, as I said, you know, looking at the studies And what I feel myself like, you know, I'm in my forties and I'm doing pbs, it wasn't really what I was expecting, but yeah, that that's the results you can get from this. And yeah, it's, it's, it's a very interesting and concept that I think is gonna to an extent revolutionize the exercise world. I think it might be, or I think it will be, everybody thinks about sleep and things like that that are super important for our performance and cognitive health and all those things.

Timmy (22m 33s):

I think in 10 years time we are gonna look at body temperature in the same way as a key key component for our physical performance and potentially mental as well.

Brian (22m 44s):

Yeah. And, you know, like when I think about body temperature as well and, and I'm sure maybe the bar is not necessary for this, but like sleeping at the right temperature,

Timmy (22m 54s):

So that is Yeah, yeah. No, I was gonna, that's a very interesting application because like I know people using these type of things before going to sleep, especially if you had a evening workout. Like I, I know myself, like if I've had a evening workout, like I'm, I'm warmer, you still, like you are upbeat to an extent that, and it's kind of hard to fall asleep, but I, what I do then is that I take the bar, load it with the ice sticks that makes it colder and I just hold it before I go or like on my way to bed and lie with it in bed to get my body temperature down to the level we know it's better for falling asleep so it can Yeah, yeah.

Timmy (23m 34s):

Books very well for that.

Brian (23m 36s):

Yeah, I that I just ordered, I haven't gotten it yet. I'm sort of looking forward to, I don't know if you've heard of like the, a pod or they make like a sleep cover slash mattress where it actually cools for while you're actually sleeping. Oh yeah. To keep your body temperature at a, at a, at a, at at the right amount throughout the night. But again, you know that that's, you know, if you wanna spend a decent amount it's, it's not cheap. But, but yeah, something like this, especially if you, like you said you work out be before bed and you, and you want a way to sort of cool down, get the body temperature. 'cause I know for me if my body temperature's too hot at night, I need to do something like, and sometimes splashing water doesn't necessarily work.

Timmy (24m 23s):

No. And, and But it, it's an interesting thing because like, I like some of the, so when we look at the kind of surfaces we're talking about here at palms of our hands, at bottom of our feet and stuff, there is things that we do instinctively that we can, tells us that how, how this works. Like, so if you would lie in a little bit too hot under your duvet, what a lot of people do is that the, the, the feet come out because the bottom of their feet is and they keep their, the palms outside of the duvet and, and that kind of cools you down and it's because of this glamorous skin surfaces that help you cool down more.

Brian (24m 59s):

Ah, no, it's, I I totally believe in that. And how did you do, how much research? I know you're, you know, you're sort of a researcher at heart it sounds like, did, did, did you do a lot of research and obviously self experimentation before designing the bar?

Timmy (25m 14s):

Yes. I mean I, I've read the, a little bit, surprisingly there isn't that many research reports on this. There is the guys Craig Heller's lab from Stanford that have done a couple of 'em and they're like 10, 15 years old, some of those studies. And so I've read all those ones back forth and up and down and then I think I've spent the last year and a half, two years doing different type of, or like, yeah, the, the first test I did was about two and a half years ago. And then between now and then I've done continuous just like trying out see what works best and like from my perspective, first I just wanted to improve for myself and then I kind of, I have this entrepreneurial heart in me where I'm like, you know what this is like I gotta do something with this.

Timmy (25m 57s):

I, I think it can really help people and I, you know, I couldn't really help myself of trying to create the product that I think can like, you know, really help people.

Brian (26m 7s):

Yeah. And I think getting this in, into like almost like universities or high schools for them to have in their, in their weight room would be, would be a, would be a good, a good avenue.

Timmy (26m 21s):

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, no, for sure. Obviously we're selling them to whoever or is interested, like it could be individuals and gyms and PTs, et cetera.

Brian (26m 32s):

Yeah. Very cool. Well I I, I'm definitely wanna want to wanna check it out for sure. Is there anything else you wanna discuss around the Palm Cooling in the, in your performance bar?

Timmy (26m 43s):

So like may maybe just more for people to kinda like see how they can sometimes, like as I said and we have things we do, like if you are cold and you come outside and it's cold outside, what we do often would be to rub our hands together. This is an evolutionary thing where, or like, but we've seen this in our ancestry and we've kind of learned that this is a very effective way of heating ourselves up and this is all due to these surfaces and it works kind of the other way around as well. With both heating up and Cooling down, it's in the same way as kind of if you walk up to a fire and you cold, you would put your hands to it, feel the heat on your, the palm of your hands and that would heat you up.

Timmy (27m 28s):

And like there is a couple of things there that I think people can kinda think of. How would you do that? But that would work for Cooling down as well and really, you know, outside of the just palm Cooling pot as, as I was talking about before, think about how you can try to keep cool and not heat up too much when you are, when you are exercising. Like think about what you're wearing and like, don't, don't wear a large pump covers if you go out running or something like that. Like don't wear too much clothing. It's gonna actually have a very negative impact on you, on how you can perform and how you feel while, while you work out.

Timmy (28m 10s):

Yeah.

Brian (28m 10s):

So

Timmy (28m 11s):

I think that's, it's, it's really an important part and as I said, I really think this is gonna change how people think about the workouts in 10 years time. It's gonna be like natural to just have, make sure that you don't heat up too much in the same way as we think about sleep and nutrition today.

Brian (28m 29s):

Well and you also mentioned like I know that like Olympic pools, they want to keep it a certain temperature because if it gets a little too warm, you know, doing competitive swimming is not gonna, the the swim swimmers will not be so happy with that.

Timmy (28m 44s):

No. Okay. I I, I didn't know anything about that actually. I, yeah, but I, I can see that that because obviously you, like you cannot mention with a palm coon in that like you dump heat, it's your body to get rid of heat and if the pool gets too warm it's gonna kinda heat up. The swimmers knowing what we know now, that's gonna really have a negative impact on the performers muscles are gonna, the energy production in the muscles, iss gonna shut up, shut off earlier and they kind of feel more fatigued. So I can see that really, really having a negative impact. They probably should have a fairly cold pool for best performance. Yeah,

Brian (29m 22s):

For sure. Well this is a cool concept. I, when, when this was brought to my, my ta my, my, my desk, I was like, this is cool. I, I said, I feel like I've experienced this before, like I told you with the, the plunging just never really looked too much into it. But yeah, the peak performance bar, I think it's definitely something worth, worth looking into. And I'll, I'll put a link. Yeah, there it is. I'll put a link in the show notes. Did you wanna, were you able to offer a maybe like a dis a short a, a discount for the listeners?

Timmy (29m 51s):

Yeah, sure. So if they use your link, they're gonna get a, so we're a UK company So, we are charging pounds, but they get a 30 pound discount about 40, 45. But yeah, just the $40 a discount if they use the link in yours and I can sort out that link for you later.

Brian (30m 7s):

Okay. Yeah, you'll gimme that link and then I'll put that in the show notes and Yeah, then the listeners can get a discount and and check it out. 'cause you just, you just designed it what just came out a couple weeks ago.

Timmy (30m 17s):

Yeah, exactly. It just came out a couple of weeks ago and I can, I, I really think it's gonna do great things for people and really help but people work out harder and reach better results than they ever have regardless of age.

Brian (30m 28s):

Well, especially as we get older, we're always looking for a little bit of an edge.

Timmy (30m 32s):

Exactly. Exactly. That's, that's why I keep on kinda mentioning that, that in my forties I'm hitting PDs, didn't think that was gonna happen.

Brian (30m 41s):

Wow. Wow. Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm definitely interested. That's something I'm always looking to do and I'm in my forties too, so. Yeah. Well this is great Timmy. I, I appreciate you coming on and sharing this and we'll, we'll, we'll put a link in the show notes. Is that the best place for people to, to find the prime science?

Timmy (30m 58s):

Yeah, I either go through the link in the show notes or like if you Google prime science, we are gonna come up. If you also pick performance bar, you can find it there and if you want to follow us on socials, it's Prime Science Health on, mainly on Instagram at this point in time. But when we expand that to other ones, it will be the same handle. And if you want to know anything about this, hit us up. Send us an email, ask a question like I'm, I'm, I'm very interested in this subject, so very happy to have conversations with anybody who kind of like wanna know more or like if there was something here in this podcast that wasn't really clear. I'm sure there is people that have questions, but yeah, so just hit us up like I'm, I'm super psyched to talk about this and can go on for hours if I

Brian (31m 44s):

It sounds great, Timmy. Well thanks so much and yeah, we'll put a link in the show notes for everybody to get a discount and I appreciate you coming on and sharing the, the knowledge about Palm Cooling.

Timmy (31m 53s):

Yeah, brilliant man. Thanks Brian.

Brian (31m 55s):

Yep. Thanks for listening to the Get Lean Eat Clean Podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes at Brian Gryn dot com for everything that was mentioned In, this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.

Timmy Haman

Procurement Specialist with a track record of identifying and delivering savings & Director at Higher Horizons.

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