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Interview with Risa Groux: Treating Autoimmune Disease, Detoxification and Working with Fred Couples!

June 24, 2024 in Podcast

Intro

This week I interviewed Functional Nutritionist and Certified Autoimmune Coach, Risa Groux!

Risa looks at root causes using functional nutrition guidelines, blood and stool tests, and knows that weight loss is a side effect of wellness. In this episode, we discuss her personal health journey with autoimmune along with:

  • Risa's favorite lab tests to use for her clients
  • Healing Inflammation and the gut
  • Problems with mainstream self care products
  • Her experience working with PGA golfer Fred Couples
  • Risa's Detox Protocol
and much, much more!

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Brian (0s):

Coming up on the GET, LEAN, Eat, Clean, Podcast.

Risa (3s):

I've been doing this for so long decades that when I first started my practice, I was like, okay, everybody's gonna eat the same way. This is the anti-inflammatory way and this is how everybody should be eating. And some people were thriving, I mean like really thriving and other people weren't. And I'm like, what is the deal? you know, why is you know these people not thriving? And I started to realize that everybody should not be eating the same way. Just like every diet book that comes out, or a food philosophy, diet, food philosophy, lifestyle comes out and everybody does it And. you know, your neighbor who's like lost, you know, 42 pounds, but you've lost nothing, right? You don't feel better, you feel worse.

Risa (44s):

It's because we are not designed to eat the same way. So I created Food Frame, which is my methodology, and I believe I firmly believe 'cause I see it every day, that people should be eating according to their current health status.

Brian (60s):

Hello and welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. I'm Brian Gryn and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week I'll give you an in depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long term sustainable results. This week I interviewed Functional Nutritionist and Certified Autoimmune Coach Risa Grow. Risa looks at the root cause using functional nutrition guidelines, blood and stool tests, and knows that weight loss is a side effect of wellness. We discussed her personal health journey with autoimmune, along with Risa's favorite lab tests to use for her clients, healing inflammation in the gut, Problems with mainstream self care products, Her experience, working with PGA golfer, Fred Couples, Risa's detox protocol, and much, much more.

Brian (1m 51s):

Really enjoyed my interview with Risa. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Alright, Welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn and I have Risa Gru on Welcome to the show.

Risa (2m 4s):

Thank you so much, Brian. It's great to be here.

Brian (2m 6s):

Great to have you on. And I know you're, you've originally from the, is it the West coast?

Risa (2m 14s):

Yes.

Brian (2m 15s):

Okay.

Risa (2m 16s):

Yeah, originally from LA and have my practice in, in Newport Beach. And I've lived there for 30 years and yeah, that's home.

Brian (2m 26s):

Yeah. And functional nutrition certified autoimmune coach. What sort of sparked your interest to, to go down that path?

Risa (2m 34s):

You know, I'd always been interested in health and diet and you know, in my house I grew up, my mom was always trying to lose five to 10 pounds constantly, you know, and my grandma, every, all the women in my family were just all about the good foods and the bad foods. And I always thought the good foods were, you know, were, were tasted okay, but the bad foods tasted really good. So I was very confused, like, why is this that, you know, we're always depriving ourselves and why aren't the men doing this right? Or it just was such a crazy, I had such a crazy relationship with food growing up. And so I of course adopted that diet culture. And every diet book that came out, I would went on it and I was trying to lose three to five pounds perpetually. And I had this really bad relationship with food, right?

Risa (3m 15s):

It was all or nothing. It was a lot of deprivation. And then, you know, it was just a crazy bad relationship with food. So then I ended up going a totally different route, and I was director of sports marketing for the Ducks their second year in, in Anaheim, the NHL team. And then I was reading always nutrition books on the side and trying to learn about medicine. And so when I raised my kids, I was just, you know, giving them all real food. I never gave 'em any processed food or sugar for a long time. And I watched what happened, you know, and my kids were not really sick and the other kids were really sick and all that stuff. And then I decided I wanted to go back to school and I became a functional, I became a clinical nutritionist and then started functional studying functional medicine.

Risa (3m 59s):

In the meantime, I had an autoimmune disease myself after I conceived my daughter, no problem. Like, we basically got married, looked at each other, had a baby, and then I could not conceive second one at all. Like I just, I kept having miscarriages or I just couldn't conceive and I really got the frustration. So I started to go down that path. I tested myself for all kinds of stuff that it could possibly be. And then I went to the fertility specialist finally, and he's like, oh, you know, it took my blood. And he said, oh, you got a thyroid. That's underachieving. Here's, here's your script. And I'm like, what script? you know, for, for what? And he is like, you gotta take this medication. I said, for how long? He said, every day. And I said, no, no, no for how long? And he goes, oh, for the rest of your life.

Risa (4m 41s):

And it was that day that I walked out and I went, I don't understand. Why is it that they're giving me a synthetic medication to mimic something that my body should produce, be producing on its own? And why are we not asking why is it not producing it? So that really started my health journey. And then I finally was able to conceive, I realized that I have this gene mutation called M-T-H-F-R, which is very, very common. I test every patient for it. Pretty much everybody has it. About 90% of the population has it. And it means that you can't ize your B12 and or your folate, your B nine. So that affects pregnancy But. it also affects so many things like brain function, you know, a DD, autism, bipolar, schizophrenia, headaches, migraines and anxiety, depression.

Risa (5m 26s):

So I took this B vitamin, I did a couple other things, and next thing you know, I had a totally normal healthy pregnancy. And shortly thereafter I was diagnosed with Hashimoto's, which is when you have an autoimmune disease that you have antibodies that are attacking your own fibroid gland. And I'm like, okay, why is this happening? Nobody's asking why. So I went down that road, I created the list of root causes of why could this be happening? And eventually started using it in practice. Yeah. Thanks for sharing

Brian (5m 57s):

That. And. you know, you hear autoimmune immune a lot and a lot of times I think people just think like you can't necessarily like overcome it naturally. Yes. And. what would And what, what would you say to that as far as reversing autoimmune conditions and things like that?

Risa (6m 14s):

So some of them, I, I have not been able to reverse or heard about any reversal, but there are other ones that we have. I, for instance, have been able to reverse my antibody production to Hashimoto's, Now I call that reversing my autoimmunity. I don't have antibodies that are detecting my thyroid gland anymore. At least undetectable. So we've been able to do that quite a bit. I have people who have had rheumatoid arthritis that we've been able to reverse all symptoms. So is that clinically reversing on rheumatoid arthritis? I would think so, right? If we're not having the a NA markers anymore and the patient's not feeling any joint pain, I think that's probably what I would classify a successful reversal.

Risa (6m 56s):

So I've had a numerous amount of cases because autoimmunity at the, at the bottom root of it is basically a, a high antibody production, right? This is our own defense mechanism that we all create when we think that there's an enemy in the body. And so it starts to attack it. It could be a bland, a tissue or an organ. So whatever your autoimmune disease is, it's gonna go o after that And now, you know, doctor will give you a squirt gun and say, here, you know, let's put out the fire or let's just manage the fire. Right? For me, philosophy and functional medicine, functional nutrition, I'm gonna give you a fire hose. I mean, let's, let's get that inflammation out. What's causing that antibody production?

Risa (7m 37s):

Why are we seeing a, a, a rapid increase in autoimmunity from kids? I see young kids with autoimmunity. This is ridiculous, right? I, I didn't even know what autoimmune disease was when I was growing up, and I don't, I think my grandparents had auto Hashimoto's, but nobody ever diagnosed it. So I think we really need to focus on root causes of what's what, what why we're, where we're increasing our rates of autoimmunity.

Brian (8m 7s):

And do you, are there certain lab tests, I think you mentioned briefly, that you sort of stand by, that you use with most of your patients?

Risa (8m 14s):

Yes, I do. Everyone I work with, I do a very extensive comprehensive bio screen. So I'm looking at all four markers of blood sugar. I'm looking at all nine markers of thyroid, which the conventional medicine typically orders about one and three if we're lucky. And then I do a full iron panel, I do inflammation markers, which is a crazy to say this, but people don't test for that. Conventional medicine, doctors do not test for inflammation. and we know inflammation is the driver of disease. It's one of the two major foundational issues that cause the body to either optimize the health or hinder the health. So I do that, I do white blood cells, you name it.

Risa (8m 57s):

I, I'm, I'm getting a pretty thorough test when I get that back, I have a good idea of where to go, And, what is going on. In, in addition, I test for a stool test that shows 84 pathogens because the gut is the other component of that, those two foundational issues. It's systemic inflammation, which we know is the driver of disease, and the other is gut health, which is just everything, right? So, and our immunity lives pre predominantly in our gut. So I, you know, I'm, I'm not good at the guessing part. I'll leave that into conventional medicine. But I like to know what do we got? We have an overgrowth of good guys or bad guys or what, what is it? What's going on in there? Right?

Brian (9m 35s):

I, you know, I've been doing this podcast for a long time and I feel like gut health has come up more and more over the last, well, I've been doing it for like five years, and I think that there's still gonna be, it's still gonna be advancing and, and progressing where like most of the, the, the disease is coming from some type of gut issue that's going on, either, you know, leaky gut or whatever. I'm sure you see this. Is there like a common theme that you see with a lot of people that come as far as, you know, like gut health?

Risa (10m 5s):

I would say probably eight to nine out of 10 people who walk in my door have leaky gut. Okay. you know, you have, remember we only have one layer of epithelial cells in the intestinal lining, right? We have seven on the outside, so it's really fragile. Above that we have villa, I remember that from biology that protects our epithelial cells. And then above that we have a mucosal lining. And that mucosal lining is so critical because it really is its own ecosystem. It helps to repopulate and colonize all these good bacterias. And so that's what keeps us healthy. That's what keeps us thin. That's what, you know, that that microbiome is really what creates a healthy body.

Brian (10m 47s):

Yeah. And like that vli and, and the mucosal beer, it's like so many things can affect it. Things that we're not even aware of. Right. Like obviously antibiotics, our environment. So like, you know, you could seem like you're eating healthy and doing the right things, But it. There still could be even stress can affect it

Risa (11m 6s):

For sure. Exactly. And glyphosate, which is, you know, the, the pesticide that is on all conventional foods. So any restaurant you go to, you're pretty much having glyphosate in your meal. I mean, I think glyphosate is one of the major problems with our, with our health, the breakdown of our health and the obesity epidemic. And it's really a big factor that we don't really talk about that much.

Brian (11m 30s):

Yeah. Glyphosate with a side of seed oils.

Risa (11m 36s):

Exactly. It's a perfect combination. You wanna get sick and fat. That's do.

Brian (11m 41s):

Yeah. Right. And, you know, it's interesting because my wife and I cook for ourselves like pretty much every night. And I, I honestly think like if more people did that, like it could, and, and I'm curious to know your thoughts on that. Like a lot of disease and just like weight loss or, or just weight problems in general can, would go away

Risa (12m 3s):

For sure. Because as I mentioned, we've got inflammation, right? As the driver disease. So if we are an inflamed state, you know, I always say to people, if you've got a raging fire in the basement of your house, it is raging. You got flames going, you're calling the fire department. I mean, it's bad. And you've got somebody on the second floor going, Hey Brian, can you help me change the light bulb? And you're like, what? I've got this raging fire and after the fire's out, you'd be happy to change the light bulb. Right? But you know what I'm saying is when we're in an inflamed state and we wanna lose weight, the body's like, ha, are you kidding me? We hold on to all of our resources when we're in an inflamed state. So it's not focusing on losing weight, it's focusing on maintaining what it has because it's in a crisis mode.

Risa (12m 45s):

It's a kind, a raging fire in the basement. So yes, I think those things that contribute to the raging fire are chemicals, toxins, you know, perfumes, fragrances. I mean, that is in every candle in every house. It, it's every Febreze that's in every, you know, my hairdresser, I was like, do you mind if I take out the Fre plugins while I'm here? And so he goes, oh no, is it a problem? And I started educating him and he is like, I got rid of them all over my house and my, and the salon and everything because they, people don't realize it. Right. And we're just, you know, mouthwash is another one. We change our, our full on microbiome in our mouth because we're just killing all that bacteria.

Risa (13m 25s):

So it's, you know, things that we were just so used to thinking it's good for us and we go to a great restaurant not eating fish. That's wild. I don't care how much you spend, you know, you're, you're, unless it says it on the menu, but you know, we're not eating grass fed and grass finished beef. So it's, those things do matter. They compile.

Brian (13m 48s):

Yeah, it, I agree. I mean, it adds up over time, right? I always tell it's not about being perfect. 'cause I think the environment that we live in right now is just like, you can't avoid everything. Right. And, and I think part of it too is just like, now if we go out to dinner, like I actually don't, I really don't order fish 'cause I just don't know where it's coming from. And you know, I'll have conventional meat 'cause cows the way they digest is a little bit different than like, like getting chicken or pork when you're out. That's a whole nother conversation. But yeah, I think you can take these steps and, and, and not worry about being perfect 'cause then you can just get stressed out that, you know, you, you're gonna, you have these environmental factors that are every day and you have to sort of live your life through them.

Brian (14m 35s):

But what, what are like some of the foundational things that you find that you work with individuals on, whether it's food or stress or, or activity.

Risa (14m 45s):

Gosh, I work with everybody pretty much on the same foundation, foundational issues. So I'm gonna decrease your systemic inflammation and, and increase your good gut health. And what's interesting about that, Brian, is when they come into my office and they have a myriad of, of symptoms, right? They may have headaches, they may have constipation, or they have chronic diarrhea or they have, you know, itching or hives or whatever it is, right? And, and weight loss is, you know, pretty much on everybody's list, But it, it, whatever those things are. Once I detox 'em, the first thing I do is put 'em on my detox and I'll detox 'em for two weeks. And almost like a, a ton of stuff just falls by the wayside there. And that's helpful for me because I know what their, what their liver is clogged and congested.

Risa (15m 26s):

Once we clean out that liver and let's say the headaches go away, I may, it may be because we took out gluten, dairy, sugar, alcohol, it may be because we cleaned out, you know, their, their liver or whatever it is. But a lot of those things go by the wayside. Then I really know at that point what do we have left with, right? And that's where I start with everybody. And again, by the time we finish the detox, I get the results from their blood test, I get the results from their stool test and I know exactly which way to go. I'm not really good at playing darts with the lights off and I cannot see the target. So I want all the lights on and I wanna fully be able to see where we're going. And every individual is different. So, but I work with a myriad of things. I've seen many miracles in my office, which is super cool.

Risa (16m 10s):

I love watching people heal. It's just the coolest thing.

Brian (16m 13s):

Yeah. Maybe what's one story that comes to mind of someone that's healed?

Risa (16m 19s):

So I have so many, but maybe one that might be relevant to you guys is I worked with Freddie Couples, the PGA golfer, who is just an amazing guy. And he called me and said he wanted to lose 20 pounds before the masters. And I'm like, okay, no problem. Slam dunk. That's easy, right? So he comes into my office and well,

Brian (16m 36s):

How much time did he have? Do you know, do you know? Masters is in April? So yeah,

Risa (16m 41s):

He came I think to me in February. Okay. So he ended up losing 20 pounds. So that was because I feel like weight loss is a side effect of wellness. So I don't put anybody on a weight loss program. I put them on a wellness program and next thing you know, they're losing weight because as I said, once you put the fire out in the basement, we're able to let go of things we don't need. Right? We're not in, in that, in that, that that emergency state where we have to hold onto all our resources. we can let him go. We don't need 'em. So, so he came in and he said, I said, tell me about the back pain. I know you're, you know, you've been famous for back pain for oh God, as long as I knew. And he said, oh yeah, you know, I go to this doctor and that doctor in this country for that doctor and, and he travels with his physical therapist and no matter what he does, and sometimes it's worse.

Risa (17m 30s):

And I said, well, on a scale from one to 10, how bad is your pain on a regular basis? 10 being excruciating, you cannot function. He said daily basis is a seven or an eight depending on how much swing swings the golf club, right? So I said, okay. So I put him on my detox, he came in, oh and I, so I said to him, listen, you know, has anybody tested you for inflammation markers? And he said, I don't think so. So I said, I'm gonna order a bunch of tests. He goes, order whatever you need. So he comes in the next week after a week on my detox. I said, what's your number? He said, I'm a four. I said, awesome. And he was a hundred percent compliant. He came in in the following week at the end of the detox and I said, what's your number? He said, I'm a one or a zero.

Risa (18m 12s):

He's like, I've never been out of pain like this before. So, we got back his inflammation markers and they were through the roof. And this is a guy who lives, both of his homes are on golf courses and he works on golf courses and golf courses are treated with chemicals, lots of chemicals. So he's breathing these in day in and day out. He also had smell sensitivity. So he said every time he got into an Uber with some scented air fresheners, he would get headaches. So he had frequent headaches at, in, you know, from fragrances and stuff. So I knew already his liver was congested. I knew we had some, some cleanup to do. And sure enough, every time I saw him thereafter, he was a zero or one and he lost the 20 pounds on the masters.

Risa (18m 56s):

I think they even talked about it, one of the tournaments. But anyway, he was awesome. He was out of pain. He did, he was amazing. And that was just super cool to see because we only just gave him food. That's all we gave him. Real food, And, you know, su supplements that contain nutrients. So it was amazing.

Brian (19m 16s):

Yeah. And you talk about on your website this is this this RGN detox? Is that what you typically putting people on?

Risa (19m 23s):

Yeah, I do it three to four times a year. And I start pretty much everybody with it. Two times for the first two weeks while I'm gathering all your labs But, it starts to quell the inflammation you're eating. It's not a starvation diet, you know, eat when you're hungry, don't when you're not. But you're having two collagen shakes a day. And I'm all about protein, fat, and fiber. So we're focusing on protein, fat, and fiber. And then you're eating meals, protein, fat and fiber, a little bit of sweet potatoes, good fats. And next thing you know, people feel amazing. Their energy's better, their skin is better. Everybody tells me I'm less puffy, bloated. I mean, I have people who have been constipated for 30, 40 years and they're like, oh my god, I go every day.

Risa (20m 4s):

Like it's crazy. So I love to watch people heal and that's a really good way to do it. Of course you'll lose weight But it. It's not a weight loss program, it's a wellness program. But everybody loses weight and that's why, you know, they like to do it. But it's, you know, I don't, I don't say this is a weight loss program, even though everybody loses weight. I'm happy to offer your listeners 10% off the detox. Yeah. And it's just amazing. It's, it's amazing. It's amazing to feel that good and to watch people feel like just to watch the transformation's. Amazing.

Brian (20m 36s):

Yeah, for sure. We'll put a, we'll put a link in the show notes and then we'll have a, some type of discount code that I'll, I'll put as well when this goes out. So appreciate that.

Risa (20m 44s):

Sure,

Brian (20m 45s):

Absolutely. And let's talk a little about your food frame. I thought this was interesting just looking on your website, talk, talk a little bit about that. It looks like you have sort of different categories that you, that you'll use as regarding the food frame.

Risa (20m 58s):

Yeah, so you know, I've been doing this for so long decades that when I first started my practice, I was like, okay, everybody's gonna eat the same way. This is the anti-inflammatory way and this is how everybody should be eating. And some people were thriving, I mean like really thriving and other people weren't. And I'm like, what is the deal? you know, why is, you know these people not thriving? And I started to realize that everybody should not be eating the same way. Just like every diet book that comes out, or a food philosophy, diet, food philosophy, lifestyle comes out and everybody does it. And then, you know, your neighbor who's like lost, you know, 42 pounds, but you've lost nothing. Right? You don't feel better, you feel worse.

Risa (21m 39s):

It's because we are not designed to eat the same way, way. So I created food frame, which is my methodology, and I believe, I firmly believe, 'cause I see it every day, that people should be eating according to their current health status. Meaning if you have diabetes or pre-diabetes, you should be probably either on keto if you're suitable for that, but not everybody is, or paleo. If you've got IBS or you've got sibo, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, I'm gonna recommend the low FODMAP program for you. And then if you're got autoimmunity, you're coming into my office with raging antibodies, I'm gonna put you on the A IP, which is the autoimmune protocol and those, that is a 30 to 90 day protocol.

Risa (22m 24s):

And then I re make my re recommendations after that. So I really firmly believe that everybody is different and we should be eating according to our current health status.

Brian (22m 34s):

IL Yeah, I like that. I like that because I, I, I think like I was the same way a little bit like you come into the health arena And, you know, it's like you just feel like what works for you might not necessarily work for someone else and Exactly. And sometimes there's a little bit of self experimentation around that

Risa (22m 54s):

For sure. This kind of cuts the guessing out. 'cause I know that if you're in a active state of IBS, right, that just basically means you have inflammation in your intestinal lining. There are certain foods that are gonna aggravate that inflammation. So those are the foods that we stay away from. Now again, that's like a 30 to 90 day protocol as well. And then after that, I'm gonna make my recommendations based on your blood work and your stool test. But if you don't clean up the gut and you wanna lose weight, you know, good luck with that. Right. It's just not, again, it's that fire in the basement and we wanna change the light bulb. It's like, which is the priority, right? The body's always gonna go for the fire in the basement. So I think it's really important that everybody should be treated as individuals.

Brian (23m 39s):

Yeah. Love that. And then obviously that was the, the basis around your book that came out in 2022. Nice.

Risa (23m 45s):

Yeah, so I wrote that book because I mean, I poured everything I had into that book because that's so much of what I saw. And growing up I had so much diet confusion and why is this not working and why does this work? And I went on every single, I'm telling you, every single diet, I've never been over like, you know, seven pounds overweight Right. That I've ever had to lose. But, you know, and, and I've always exercised and all that. So I, I really broke it down to what I actually, what everybody should be eating. And that is pretty much works all the time. I've never seen it not work.

Brian (24m 18s):

Yeah. I mean it's sometimes it can be so simple, but, but for some individuals it's difficult. Like we talk about just eating whole foods, but I think just the, the, the environment and the, and the way we live now, it's like there's so much thrown at you on every corner, right. That it's, it's all the, all these temptations.

Risa (24m 37s):

Exactly. It's, it's, and we've too many options and temptations.

Brian (24m 42s):

Yeah. It's like, it's funny, you go to the grocery store now or Whole Foods or whatever, and all you want is just like, I don't know, let's say you just wanna get milk and you got like 40 brands thrown, like eight different types of, you know, oat almond, this, that vanilla, you know, like it can be Yeah. Fairly confusing

Risa (25m 2s):

It really. Yeah. And if we just went back to basics, right? Right. We have all these, these foods made for convenience, but they really have not provided the convenience because we may save the time cooking it, but we're spending the time in the doctor's office or, and the line at the prescription, you know, for the pharmacy. So it really, you know, same thing with computers. They've expedited so many things, but when it breaks, oh my god, you know, it's just, it's crazy. And the aggravation, you know, all that stuff, So, we kind of take one step forward and two steps back in that regard for food for sure.

Brian (25m 34s):

Yeah. And I feel like the, at least the functional and holistic nutrition field is trying to get back to like, just the basics of like, you know, you hear like ancestral eating, but I think it's just another way of saying just eat like single ingredient foods that like our ancestors or like even like our parents or grandparents, probably more like our, my grand, my grandparents would eat. Like, I don't know, I remember my grandfather like tongue, like, okay, yeah,

Risa (26m 3s):

Exactly. My dad tongue. It's crazy. Yeah. I was just in Paris and I saw tongue and I And, you know, and I haven't seen that before for a very, very time. I never seen it in the States, but I always say to people, eat foods that don't have an ingredient panel.

Brian (26m 19s):

Yeah. Just eat, done.

Risa (26m 20s):

Right. Done. That's done.

Brian (26m 22s):

Yeah. And I noticed you have a course, maybe we touch a little bit about thyroid health. Tell us a little bit about what went into this course, And, you know, ways that we can optimize thyroid function.

Risa (26m 34s):

Yeah, so as I mentioned, I had a, a long journey with thyroid issues and autoimmunity and a lot of questions, a lot of Googling, a lot of crying, a lot of frustration. And so I really wanted to give back to the world to take that frustration and crying and money and time and effort away so that people could just take the course and no, oh, okay, this is, you know, what I need to do. And I think it's a, a good, good way to re reach the masses because not everybody can work with me and I can't work with everybody either. So basically I break down how the thyroid works. I break down the thyroid labs, what needs to be ordered, what need, how to interpret it, what are optimal ranges.

Risa (27m 20s):

you know, unfortunately our blood ranges at our labs are very misleading. you know, we're really predicated to the norm, which is, you know, our fat and sick country, and we are making that the norm. And so those ranges move according to what the population is. And so that's not a deal, that's not optimal. So I give optimal ranges. I talk about what foods to eat, what foods not to eat, what supplements to take, what supplements not to take. And I break down with hypothyroid, hyperthyroid, thyroidectomy, and both autoimmune, Hashimoto's and Graves disease. So everybody who's got thyroid issues can really benefit from it.

Risa (28m 2s):

And I, I, everything I know I put into that course and I'm really proud of it and I'm so grateful that it's helping so many people.

Brian (28m 10s):

Yeah. And like one thing that I feel like comes up, especially probably maybe more with women, but could be with madness, not eating enough. Is this something or too much restriction? Because I think like, you know, this whole diet, like, I don't even know diet, community or diet, just like everyone thinks they should just keep restricting, restricting, restricting. And then they're, it's, it's, what's it taking, what's causing the issue or what's taking sort of the grunt of it is their, their thyroid and their hormones aren't performing. So do, is this something that you run into?

Risa (28m 46s):

Yes, for sure. I, you know, a a lot of people come in with the intermittent fasting. That's like the new thing now is intermittent fasting and they're, it's great for a lot of reasons. If you have a blood sugar dysregulation issue, I'm for sure gonna recommend intermittent fasting. If you have hypoglycemia, you are not a candidate for fasting. Sure. So, and calorie restriction is not as you said, great for everyone. Of course. I don't think you should have a surplus of calories, but I think you should give your body the fuel that it needs. you know, think about if you took your car, if it had took gas, if you took your car to the gas station and you filled it up halfway, you're gonna have to keep going back to the gas station.

Risa (29m 26s):

Right? Or you're gonna have to pull from your storage unit, right. Your, your reserves. And that is a great effective way to lose weight. It's a great effective way to balance blood sugars. But if you don't have any storage and you don't need to lose weight, then that is not gonna be good for you. So again, I, I put everything as an an i I consider everyone as an individual. So it depends what your circumstances are. It depends what your symptoms are. And it depends what your labs look like.

Brian (29m 54s):

Yeah, yeah. Because it's like you can only restrict so much, right? It's like, right. So like you're seeing extreme, extreme like diets or end of the spectrums where you got like carnivore and then you have maybe like a vegan or vegetarian. And it's like, I think we have to sort of come back to maybe the middle ground And, you know, find a, if you have a healthy gut, you should be able to consume a, a lot of foods obviously, you know, certain people are more sensitive to just, let's say lectins and things like that than other people. But if you have a healthy microbiome, I think you should be able to have a mixed diet.

Risa (30m 33s):

Yeah. And the other thing is, is when you're eating whole foods, you're not as hungry as you usually are because when you are eating processed foods and or empty calorie foods, your body's going, okay, great, you just put shampoo in my gas tank, but I really need gas. So where's the gas? Like, so you're just gonna keep being hungry until you get nutrients that the body needs. But when you're eating those whole foods, you're really just not that as hungry. And if you have a lot of muscle, if you're working out a lot, you of course need more fuel. So it, again, it depends on what your lifestyle is and And what you need, but we shouldn't be starving ourselves for sure.

Brian (31m 12s):

Yeah. And, what would you say some of your top tips are when it comes to improving health life through diet? I know we've touched a little bit on them today, but what, what would, what are some of the ones that stick out?

Risa (31m 24s):

So, for sure, I would take chemicals out. That's like a huge thing. Chemicals are just so destructive to, to everything. The endocrine system, but everything really, everything.

Brian (31m 33s):

And when you say chemicals, you're talking like laundry, certain laundry detergents.

Risa (31m 39s):

Yep. Fragrances. Fragrances, you know, all the, the red dyes, all the dyes in your toothpaste. you know, I won't mention brand names, but we know who they are. you know, look at the ingredients in your shampoos and your, oh, your makeup makeup is huge. you know, the average American female comes in contact with over 200 toxins just before she's left the bathroom each morning, 200 over. I mean, and if you read the labels of these nail polish and, and, and deodorant and makeup And, you know, this is, you know, and then some people put permanent makeup on and it's crazy to me. Right? And I, I see young girls having their hair dyed, you know, at 10, 12 years old.

Risa (32m 22s):

I mean, it's, it's insanity to me why you would do that. But anyway, so there's, those are, those are chemicals, but men's shaving cream and cologne cologne's like the worst, right? And deodorant. So those are really very accessible toxins that just absorb into your body and then they're in your food, right? So read your food, read your labels, and look at what's on your food to preserve it or to, you know, to, to elongate its lifetime, right? So, so that is, you know, what we're, we're eating a lot. So the FDA is currently approved 86,000 chemicals, 86,000 chemicals more than any other country on the planet.

Risa (33m 3s):

And we're approved anywhere from two to 6,000 a year. Depend, not regardless of who's in the White House, right? Regardless, So, we are getting an overload of chemicals. And so we can eat them, we can breathe them and we can put them on our skin. So, we absorb a lot of them. And, what do you think happens with these toxins? Right? So what I say is like imagine when you're going into a gated community, right? You know the lane that is for the visitors, they have the transponder, they go right through, right? That's the regular food, the real food that our body is actually built to eat, that goes right through the system. The body knows how to process it. Then there's the chemicals. These are the visitors. They gotta wait for the guard, they gotta get a pass, they gotta get okayed.

Risa (33m 44s):

So the liver basically has to convert them into an enzyme that it knows what sort of, what that looks like. So it can process it through the system. But a lot of 'em don't get through the system. They stay, they live in fat cells and fat tissues and they, they, they compound, right? So, they, so you've got them, you know, disrupting your head, your, your headaches, your skin, your weight gain, your what I mean I can go on and on and on. It really affects everything. So you have to decrease your toxic load. That is going to be huge detox for sure. But decrease your toxic load. The second thing I would say is sugar. Sugar. We glean known nutrition from sugar. It is a, what I call food for sport.

Risa (34m 24s):

And I know we all like food for sport. It's really good. It's really fun. And I don't take food for sport out completely. But when you're in an inflamed state, I'm gonna put a hold on it. And once we get out of the inflammation state, we can absolutely eat you for sport. On occasion. On occasion, you know, it's your birthday, it's Tuesday and you just want chips and guac or you know, you're traveling, whatever it is, you make those exceptions. Just like you budget your money, you budget your time, we budget our food or our sporting food, right? And then sugar just makes us fat and sick and terrible. Like just, it's just awful. So there's lots of natural sweeteners that you can use.

Risa (35m 4s):

Allulose is my favorite one. I use that in my products and I use it for baking. There's stevia and monk fruit, those are kind of already in the market. I think people are familiar with those. But Allulose is awesome. It comes from figs, raisins or jackfruit. And it's minimally processed. It actually, we don't digest it So, we don't really have carbs or calories to it. It goes through the system and it doesn't cause any damage. Doesn't give you gastric upset. So it's basically a free food and it's delicious. I love allulose but I don't use it that much except for if I'm baking or something like that. But those, that would be the, the two things. And then, you know, lifestyle, right?

Risa (35m 46s):

Move your body, unplug de-stress, have fun, laugh, you know, meditate, whatever it is. Get grounded. Do you know, connect people that, that kind of stuff. Those are, you know, the obvious ones. Yeah. And well food

Brian (36m 4s):

And what we, I like to talk about routines as we're, as we're closing up here soon, but what's like a typical routine for you? Morning, evening, and also thoughts on alcohol and coffee.

Risa (36m 19s):

Alcohol and coffee. Everybody's addiction, right? Yeah. Right. So there are some good properties to, to coffee. So I don't have an issue with coffee so much for people who don't have major adrenal issues. If you've got some cortisol dys regularity, then it's probably not good to have caffeine until you get that squared away. But as far as coffee is also concerned, it's a highly sprayed crop. So a great source of pesticides and, and herbicides, more toxins. So if you can really focus on getting organic coffee and then usually it's the what we put in the coffee. So, you know, a lot of people put crap in their coffee.

Risa (36m 59s):

I would say take that out and put some coconut cream or, or or or macadamia nut milk or coats goat's milk or something clean with one ingredient and And, you know, use allulose if you need to sweeten it. Coffee and alcohol both block magnesium absorption. So make sure you're having some magnesium. If you're having a lot of coffee and alcohol. Alcohol is what I call it. It's in my food for sport category. And it's fun, but it's not really a health food. Even that glass of red wine is not really a health food. You're gonna get much more benefit from just taking resveratrol than you would drinking a bottle of wine.

Risa (37m 41s):

So it's against heavily sprayed crops. So you've got sulfite, sulfates and toxins. And so there are certain wines out there that are cleaner, but they do spike blood sugar levels. I'm a tequila drinker personally, so if I have a cocktail it is gonna be a tequila and soda. And that's usually what I do with muddled mint. And it's an occasional for me and not an every day at all. So, so tho those are my thoughts on that. And people pretty much know when they're consuming too much of both. Right,

Brian (38m 13s):

Right. I feel like especially like caffeine or alcohol, like if you find that like you become reliant on it, then it's probably to the point of where you've just consuming it too much and too often.

Risa (38m 24s):

Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And as far as my routine is concerned, I go to bed pretty much the same time I wake up around the same time I move my body at, you know, sometimes high impact, sometimes low impact. I go, I love long walks, but I do a myriad of different things and I usually have a shake pretty much almost every day, maybe five, six days a week. And then I eat lots of greens. There is no day in my life that goes without a big salad of some sort. 'cause I just crave those green leafies and we just get so much from them. And, and then protein, fat and fiber.

Brian (39m 6s):

Excellent. And evening, evening routine, like you go to bed at the same time, do you do any type of like, like sort of meditation or something to sort of calm, you know,

Risa (39m 18s):

I don't. Okay. I have been trained in transcendental meditation and cool. I, I will meditate from time to time. But. it is not part of my regular routine. Okay. Usually, but when I feel really stressed or I've got a lot on my plate, but it's not, I do a lot of breathing, I'll do more breathing than I do meditation. Yeah. And

Brian (39m 38s):

Well, and even go, even going for walks is a, I feel like a form of meditation too.

Risa (39m 43s):

Yeah. And I could walk for hours, so I, I love it. I'll put a podcast in or you know, I'll go for runs And, you know, I I'm always shaking it up.

Brian (39m 53s):

Yeah. Well this is great. Where can listeners like find you And? you know, where do you keep most of your, your sort of information?

Risa (40m 1s):

Yeah. On my website at Risa, RISA, last name is gru, G-R-O-U-X nutrition.com. So my class, my book, my detox, all my products. I've got tons of articles. You can take the food frame quiz to see which kind of diet type is best for you. It's 12 questions, it's really easy. And all my social media, everything's re degree nutrition.com and yeah, that's, I work with people all over the country via Zoom and I'm, I'm happy to work with people. Still

Brian (40m 39s):

Take me so work with anyone all over. Yeah. Yeah. And and then some people come to your practice. Yeah,

Risa (40m 44s):

Exactly.

Brian (40m 45s):

And this is just, so does anyone ever say you look like Paul Abdul? Is

Risa (40m 49s):

It Yes, they do. I used to do some lookalike work back in the day.

Brian (40m 55s):

Oh my god. you know, it, it just hit me like 10 minutes ago and then I was like,

Risa (40m 59s):

Yeah. Yeah. I used to get stopped on the street and

Brian (41m 1s):

Especially being in LA Yes.

Risa (41m 4s):

And I've, I've been with her many times and she's just really, really lovely and Oh, that's nice. It's kind of funny 'cause we do look very much alike. Yeah.

Brian (41m 13s):

Just thought I'd throw that out there. Yeah. So if you're not watching on YouTube and you wanna see a a a Paul Abdu lookalike take a well Risa, this is great. We'll definitely put Links in the show notes to find you and, and if people wanna reach out, that I think that'd be great. 'cause you're doing a lot of great things, so.

Risa (41m 30s):

Well, thank you so much for having me, Brian. Thanks for doing what you

Brian (41m 32s):

Do. No, no problem. Have a great rest of the day. You too. Thanks for listening to the Get Lean Eat Clean Podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes at Brian Gryn dot com for everything that was mentioned, In, this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.

Risa Groux

Risa Groux, CN is a Functional Nutritionist and Certified Autoimmune Coach in private practice in Newport Beach, California. She has always been passionate about nutrition and good health. Risa was so concerned about purity that she made her children’s baby food from scratch. Today she is passionate about cooking and creating healthy, nutritious food. She works with a wide array of clients from professional athletes, adults, and kids to the Biggest Loser from season four. Risa works with issues like diabetes, autoimmune disease, cancer, digestion, thyroid, and hormone imbalances, to name a few. Risa firmly believes that the body can heal itself with whole foods we obtain from the earth and sees living proof of that in her office each day. She looks at root causes using functional nutrition guidelines, blood and stool tests, and knows that weight loss is a side effect of wellness.

https://www.risagrouxnutrition.com/

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