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Interview with Reed Davis: Metabolic Chaos, Functional Lab Screenings and Choosing the Right Diet!

November 20, 2023 in Podcast


This week I interviewed Reed Davis! He is a Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner (HHP) and Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT). He also is the Founder of Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® (FDN) and the FDN Certification Course with over 4,000 graduates in 50 countries.

In this episode, we discuss how he started FDN along with:

- What is Metabolic Chaos
  • How functional lab screenings can impact your health journey
  • Importance of Food Sensitivity Tests
  • Cortisol to DHEA Ratio
  • The D.R.E.S.S Protocol
and his one tip to get your body back to what it once was!

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Brian (0s):

Coming up on the GET, LEAN Eat, Clean Podcast.

Reed (4s):

I had a lady once who had the hives all over her body all the time and had, for two years she was on medication to suppress the hives, which had made her Fat. She'd gained 40 pounds in two years on this med. She was very depressed about that. She was frustrated and depressed. And so her physician said, Hey lady, you got your choice. Be Fat or have the hives. And when she told that physician that was depressing, he says, I can write you a prescription for antidepressants if you want. Hmm. you know, so she's telling me the story. I said, well, we're gonna run some labs, including the food Sensitivity. And sure enough, she got off certain foods and her hives went away, like permanently forever, like no more medication.

Reed (50s):

She started losing weight. She started taking hot showers and working out to a sweat, which she hadn't done in two years. And on and on

Brian (59s):

Hello. and welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. I'm Brian Gryn and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week I'll give you an in depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long term sustainable results. This week I interviewed Reed Davis. He's a board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner, and Certified Nutritional Therapist. He's also the Founder of functional Diagnostic Nutrition and the FDN Certification course with over 4,000 graduates in 50 countries. We discussed how we started FDN, along with What is Metabolic Chaos, how functional lab screenings can impact your health.

Brian (1m 42s):

The Importance of Food Sensitivity Tests the Cortisol to DHEA Ratio, his dress protocol and his one tip to get your body back to what it once was. Really enjoyed my interview with Reed. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All, right Welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn and I have Reed Davis on

Reed (2m 8s):

Reed. Hello Brian. Great to see you.

Brian (2m 10s):

Great to see you. Welcome to the show. And Reed is a certified Holistic Health Practitioner. Also the Founder of FDN, which I've been going through, right? Now I. Just got off one of my practicals and really enjoying that Certification. So we're gonna touch on all things health related and yeah, welcome to the show.

Reed (2m 32s):

Glad to be here.

Brian (2m 34s):

And you're based outta California. We were just talking, we're both, he's from, originally from the area, went to New Trier Glencoe. So small world.

Reed (2m 45s):

Yeah, it's remarkable. And I think back with great fondness of my time spent in that area. I'm a southern cowboy now, though, you know, I too much of a wimp to handle those winters anymore.

Brian (2m 60s):

Yeah, and I was telling you, we're filming this in November and it's 60, you know, in the sixties, so not so bad here right now, but I'm, I'm sure in a month it'll, that'll change, so, oh, yeah. Well, let's, let's dive in. Obviously your health journey has gone, has va, has VA gone for how many years? 20, 30 years at least. When did you start getting into health and wellness? And I know first you started out in the environmental side of things, right?

Reed (3m 30s):

The, the first time, actually I was 19, so that's 50 plus years ago. And I read a book called Healing Ourselves. It was way, way ahead of his time, again, 50 years ago, reading a book, healing Ourselves. So that's had me paying attention for a long time about health and wellness and being responsible, trying not to do too much bad stuff unless they had a really good reason. And then, but you know, it was 25 years ago that I actually got into the business that became a health entrepreneur. And you're right, I went from environmental law, paralegal conservation and saving the whole planet, air, birds, water, trees, bees.

Reed (4m 17s):

And I started focusing on people, well, you know, if it's this harmful to the planet, what about us? Including me, you know, Brian, I didn't want anything sneaking up on me. I was in good health. I had never really been to the doctor except for dental and some IES from sports and motorcycle riding. But yeah, so I didn't know what it was like till I went. I switched careers, went into a wellness center, and that's when I got my Holistic Health Practitioner and Certified Nutritional Therapist and Certified personal trainer. And I got 15 certificates in the next 10 years when I went into the health space.

Reed (4m 59s):

And I encourage everybody to get as much education as they can. Whatever turns you on, if you have a an interest, do it. you know? And, you know, so after 10 years of working in this clinic, it was a, a wellness center alternative health space. And I've watched it evolve from alternative considered by some quackery to complimentary, oh, this stuff works now it's integrative, you know, later and And now it's functional and lifestyle medicine, these kind of things. So I think, you know, the story, I've spent 10 years developing a system of lab investigation into what's really wrong with people instead of just treating symptoms and giving drugs.

Reed (5m 46s):

you know, that's, it's really alternative slash functional slash personal responsibility. And it's an amazing system that, that was created in that 10 year period.

Brian (5m 60s):

And, you know, the, the interesting about FDN, 'cause I've been going through the Certification, is you talk about this Metabolic Chaos and that we don't necessarily treat anything specifically. Maybe explain a little bit. I always, I thought that was a different way of looking at things because I've been through other, through other certifications and maybe explain that a bit.

Reed (6m 21s):

Well, sure. The, the pursuit of root cause was what drove me to discover Metabolic Chaos or kind of coin that concept, if you will, or consideration. It's really what's called a construct in our, in our way, way of thinking. So I wasn't a physician at this clinic, I was a nutritionist and trainer and the, but, but I really wanted to help people. I really wanted to get to the underlying causes and conditions instead, you know, I'm not licensed. I can't just get out of, oh, what's your, oh, here's your prescription. you know? And that wasn't working for people anyway.

Reed (7m 1s):

So what what happened is that I ran labs, thousands and thousands of labs on thousands of people. And I recognize these patterns. Now I was always, again, looking for that root cause that was popular phraseology of the time. But man, what I discovered, well, you know this Brian, that there's always multiple root causes or underlying conditions, always multiple. Here's something you won't hear anywhere else. They're having an effect on each other. And you can't even ly measure some of those effects that root causes are having on each other. And those root causes could be mental, emotional problems, psychospiritual, it could be physical trauma.

Reed (7m 43s):

Like my, my personal nemesis was that I was very hard on my body, you know, the, the, the activities and things, the level of activity and stuff. So, and then, not to mention from my environmental background, the chemical stressors, what's in the environment is really toxic and poisonous. And we're the rats in the maze. We're the experiment. you know, there's, these things haven't been tasted for safety. So what I noticed was all these causal factors, mental, emotional, and physical trauma and chemical stressors and things all had an effect. And they all contributed to each other's downward spirals.

Reed (8m 24s):

And so that's why I just called it, Hey, this is just Metabolic Chaos. And that that's works perfectly with what's true with reality is that's, it is chaotic. All these things interacting. And number two, it keeps your you safe from ever being accused of practicing medicine with title license. They don't think that way. This is the real way things really work. But, you know, medicine, the way it's practiced today, even my functional Practitioner is very fractional. you know, they still specialize in whatever their training was. The And, you know, you can go to one for their gastroenterological stuff, the gut stuff, but, oh, that, well, you need a, let's say a endocrinologist for that, or you need a orthopedist or you need a psychologist or psych.

Reed (9m 14s):

So it's still very, very fractionated. So the, the idea behind FDN functional Diagnostic Nutrition is that we don't treat anything specifically. And that's, that's not our backyard. Our backyard is look at all of the contributors all at once and then apply the principles of healing to every cell, tissue, organ, and system simultaneously through behavior. And that's what why people get so much better so quickly. And it, so it's outperforming any other system.

Brian (9m 49s):

How did you decide which tests to use and how, how was that process? 'cause you have obviously like saliva, hormone and And, you know, metabolic wellness panel. Like how did you decide, you know, which tests to use and did? Was that a trial and error basis? Yeah,

Reed (10m 5s):

Well thanks man. I have to give tribute to my mentors of the day. you know, I, I developed a system out of all the labs I was running 'cause I'm good at pattern recognition. But the actual training was by really smart people. Dr. Bill Timmons, Dr. Bill Bailey, and some others who were on the cutting edge. They put their own money into labs that no one else was running. 'cause they knew it was the right thing. And by the way, had the, they had their own personal challenges. So a lot of this is driven by one's personal challenges and overcoming problems for oneself.

Reed (10m 45s):

And then guess what, you get to help others with it. So again, I didn't have any health problems like that, but I loved learning, I loved the science, the anatomy, physiology, biochemistry and stuff. It's to me really fascinating. And I was able to take what I was learning from these scientists, researchers, lab rats and all that kind of people. And they were doctors and apply it in office to people, like get the clinical, it's called clinical correlation as you know. So the way we looked at lab tests was, whose test is this isn't to run a test and oh, here, you need to buy this, you need to buy that, you gotta go on this for six months.

Reed (11m 32s):

That's treating the paper So. we just look for clues and then guide people's behavior. And that has been systematized as well. The behavior program is also very well organized. The, D, RESS, you know all about it. But so, so I, I sort of, I I choose, chose the labs that worked for the population I was serving, which was mostly chronically ill, you know, people caught in the cyclo trial and error. Mostly women, I have to say. But all ages and even. But when we worked good, they brought me their kids, they brought me their husbands 'cause they wanted them to do it too.

Reed (12m 14s):

But, so no, I ran the hormone testing and that leads to looking at the immune system that leads to looking at digestion and detoxification and so on. So, we have this pattern that we recognize and it just works. I was led by people smarter than me into the lab work, but I took it and ran with it from there.

Brian (12m 37s):

And you mentioned one of the tests, like a food Sensitivity testing, you know, to uncover some of these healing opportunities. Is that something that, is that something that like, has evolved over the years? Or how, how's the accuracy And? what, what, what are the thoughts around doing a food Sensitivity test?

Reed (12m 55s):

Alright, well that's four different questions, but here you go. So I learned to run a food Sensitivity test on every single person because everyone has some, it's really that simple. Yeah. Now it doesn't create miracles in every person, but in some people it does that food Sensitivity or two or three is exactly what's contributing to Metabolic Chaos in such a big way that you, their symptoms could be attributed to it. In other words, I had a lady once who had the hives all over her body all the time and had, for two years she was on medication to suppress the hives, which had made her Fat, she'd gained 40 pounds in two years on this med.

Reed (13m 40s):

She was very depressed about that. She was frustrated and depressed. And so her physician said, Hey lady, you got your choice. Be Fat or have the hives. And when she told that physician that was depressing, he says, I can write you a prescription for antidepressants if you want. Hmm. you know, so she's telling me the story. I said, well, we're gonna run some labs, including the food Sensitivity. And sure enough, she got off certain foods and her hives went away, like permanently forever, like no more medication. She started losing weight, she started taking hot showers and working out to a sweat, which she hadn't done in two years. And on and on. So, so this idea of food sensitivities, everyone has some, so you should test, everyone should test.

Reed (14m 27s):

But it's only to the degree that those sensitivities are contributing to Chaos and downstream somewhere there are symptoms. That's how much it will help you. So if those food sensitivities are major contributors, well it's gonna make some major changes in your life. If they're minor contributors, then you might not get such a miraculous outcome. But you're still removing a stressor. You're still removing a contributor. And oh, by the way, on that thought to, to finish the thought, And, you know this Brian, that if you pay attention to what you eat and you feel better eliminating certain foods, you know, substituting foods that make you feel good, especially, well then you might pay attention to other things in your environment.

Reed (15m 18s):

Remember I started out in, in the environment and, and man, people start to realize, well hey, these certain personal care products are bad for me. I, I feel worse on them than off them. Or maybe it's household cleaning products and maybe it's new furniture and outgassing of clothing or you know, stuff you put on your hair. Well, if I had any, you know, so, so you, when you pay attention, you do better. And the labs are, are a great way to get this, that going. So, 'cause they don't, we don't guess we test.

Brian (15m 55s):

And one of the tests you, you run is a Cortisol DHEA Ratio. It's something I've talked about on this podcast before. I've had this individual, Georgie Dink Koff, I don't know if you know who he is, but he, he's one, one of the first people that brought that up to me. And Cortisol is something that probably for, I don't know the, the percentages, but for a lot of people it's probably out of range at some point. Just because either overstressed lifestyle or restrictive dieting or over exercising or whatever it is. Is this something that, is this, I mean, obviously these are all foundations, but you know, this is obviously one of the big foundations regarding, you know, FDN and their testing.

Reed (16m 41s):

Well yeah, because we wanna know how badly a person's breaking down. you know, people that come to us not feeling fantastic, you know, I'm great, I just wanna run some labs. No, they come to us 'cause they have a health problem or concern and they wanna change it. So they're looking to invest in data that they can't get anywhere else. So, we, we run a number of labs looking for a constellation of healing opportunities. But one of the overriding concerns is catabolic state versus anabolic. So, you know, there's catabolism and anabolism, not cannibalism. So, so you know, your body's constantly building up and breaking down and building up and breaking down.

Reed (17m 23s):

And the hormones primarily responsible would be Cortisol. That's the stress hormone. And DHEA, which is the anabolic counter regulatory hormone. So if you're out of a balance, then you're in more of a catabolic state. It could be said and be true. And you don't even have to have high Cortisol to be in a catabolic state. You could be in what they used to call adrenal fatigue. And so your Cortisol is actually not high anymore. You're just not able to get there. But it's still very high in relationship to the anabolic hormones, the steroidal hormones that we make.

Reed (18m 4s):

So you're in a catabolic state. Well that, that's part of a downward spiral. You could even say it's the beginning of a downward spiral. And when your Cortisol is elevated relative to your DHEA, you're gonna see problems in the immune system. The lining of the gut gets suppressed by this cor Cortisol, excuse me. And, and then you're not as immune as you were and you get dysbiotic. In other words, the bad bacteria is able to take more of a foothold in your gut. So your microbiomes out of balance, well then long comes some, some parasites, bacteria, fungus, even viruses.

Reed (18m 46s):

And they can get more of a foothold in you. You're more susceptible. Well then, you know, all kinds of Metabolic Chaos occurs. There's a downward spiral. The good news is that we can interrupt it. you know, we can say, Hey look, you're in this downer, spiral. You feel like crap. The labs we run explain exactly why you feel so badly. And this is especially helpful for those who've been told by some other Practitioner that their blood work looks normal, everything's fine. Well, in other words, you're not diseased. And I would just add, yeah, not yet.

Reed (19m 28s):

you know, so, so the, those kind of markers, they have to be so bad that you're already in a disease process. So now that's when medication is prescribed, whereas we wanna catch it before that. So our markers are much more sensitive and they're looking for subtle changes and imbalances that can't be called a disease. That's the other reason we're not practicing medicine is 'cause it's all subclinical for, for the most, even though you're highly symptomatic. The, the ongoing pro disease processes, the Metabolic test is generally considered subclinical.

Reed (20m 8s):

So there's no medical diagnosis for these people. And it's billions of people. Millions and millions and millions. Subclinical disease. You're not diseased enough yet for the physician to treat you.

Brian (20m 24s):

Right. And some people might not have any, you know, minor symptoms, but, you know, getting ahead of the curve is, you know, someone could be in exhaustive state and, and they just, they're so used to it the day in, day out of it. And maybe they're running on caffeine half the time or whatever it is to help get through that. And they're not,

Reed (20m 45s):

Yeah, they're self-medicating. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're, they're drink pouring down the coffee in the morning. They're drinking alcohol at night to, to relax. And it's, it's a form of self-medication, And, you know, people in that state know, they don't feel like they used to, they used to have more energy, more libido, more ability to put on muscle or workout or, you know, you know, think clearly. you know, cloudy consciousness is a real problem. People are walking around in the daze. And, and then again, if it goes on long enough, they think that's normal. Yeah. It wouldn't have to do with the clear head, you know. Whoa.

Brian (21m 24s):

Now, did you have any big health epiphany for yourself? Or do you continually, or sometimes do these tests on yourself? you know, maybe annually.

Reed (21m 34s):

I have, I have, you know, a sheet. My, the number of labs I've run on myself is ridiculous. Some I probably didn't need to do, but I like learning about labs. So yeah, I always use myself first. So, you know, I could say when I first started in my late forties doing this, the lab work, I felt great. Didn't have any problems, didn't notice much, actually used my own labs as examples for what good labs should look at. But, you know, and, and I'm 70 now they say 70 is the new 50 or something, but 80 is 80.

Reed (22m 17s):

So, so I'm looking to get to 80 and feel as good as I did 10 years ago. you know, I like, like if I, if I'm functioning like a 40 year old now at 70, what's it gonna be like at 80? And then there's 90 And, you know, we're only designed to go so far, thank goodness. I have longevity in my, in my genes. My mom is 93 still living. I'm gonna see her for Thanksgiving soon. And nice. And I, I just, just wanna, so yes, I'm always running labs to answer your question. And I'm getting into some new markers that I'm gonna be introducing to FDN. So the good thing about FDN is it's constantly evolving too.

Reed (22m 58s):

It isn't just, look, I can teach you in 10 months what, it took me 10 years of hard work in a clinic to learn. But it's evolved since that we keep learning, we keep going on. So yes, it's, it's an amazing education as you could attest to. And so can, you know, we've trained, I don't know, 4,000 people in 50 countries, but there's about a thousand who are very active practitioners. And that's my goal to create more active practitioners. But my point was just that, of course, we keep learning, we keep working on ourselves. I run the labs And, now I'm getting more into the predictive markers, which are really early.

Reed (23m 40s):

you know, if you read your, your listeners probably would enjoy a book called Drop Acid. Not for what it sounds like, but because

Brian (23m 50s):

Yeah, I've had him on, yeah, I've had him on the podcast.

Reed (23m 54s):

Oh, promo. Yeah.

Brian (23m 55s):

Oh, promo. Okay. I've had Dr. Richard Johnson on, maybe I got that confused, but, and

Reed (23m 59s):

Johnson was a concur, so he did this, the foundational work. So yeah, this idea of dropping our uric acid is critical. Physicians aren't anywhere near looking at that. You, they might run the test if you ask them to, but it's not a routine screening. And it should be for especially anyone my age.

Brian (24m 20s):

And then, you know, you've talked about it a little bit with gut, and you have the GI map, which is the, the lab that you, that we run at at FDN. What was that process like? Like, because I know the gut can be a tricky thing. And, you know, with path pathogens and fungi and as far as finding labs that are accurate and consistent over time.

Reed (24m 43s):

Well that's a very specific and sensitive test, you know, measures things. And some of them are more important than others. Getting a look at the balance of the microbiome's important and getting a look at some of the possible pathology. I mean, it will identify, you know, parasites, overgrowth of bacteria, fungus and things like that. There's also some digestive markers on that. But I have to say this, that, that whole area of testing, stool testing, I think it used to be better the, the old labs we used to run. Hmm. Which have just been phased out 'cause they're too expensive.

Reed (25m 26s):

So we're, we're now looking at this basically DNA, the PCR testing. And it's not perfect, but it's, remember we're just looking for clues, right? We're looking for in context of the other labs we run. Yeah. That's an important consideration. You definitely wanna know how your body body's handling these things. And it might, and if some of your symptoms might be related. In other words, that's one of the causal factors. Upstream, So, we just, like, we do a food Sensitivity test on every person. We do the stool testing on every person.

Reed (26m 8s):

'cause you gotta look, you can't guess about these things. So yeah. So there's, there's different ways to look at it. All. I, I really enjoyed the data, you know, and by the way, I spent 10 years as a clinical advisor for one of these labs, 10 years working with doctors on the going over lab results, teaching them what it really meant to the, to the person so that I tried to teach 'em not to treat the paper. you know, it's not just what's the agent, what's the dosage, what's the frequency, what's the duration, you know, of some drug or medication. I, we don't work that way. What's, what's going on in the body?

Reed (26m 49s):

Why, why do you have this overgrowth? What can we do to restore the ecology of the gut and the whole body to eliminate it and make sure it doesn't come back. And these kind of things,

Brian (27m 2s):

And you know, you have, you have these functional tests and then, or you know, these lab tests and then you talk about coaching of function. Maybe explain a little bit about what, what that means.

Reed (27m 12s):

Yeah. Well, you know, I was an old football coach for many, many years, and so I like the idea of coaching, but when I started, there wasn't, the word health coach wasn't around. I was a nutritionist who ran labs and a personal trainer. And I also did a lot of body work, myofascial therapy and things. Remember I worked in a clinic for 10 years, so I got an opportunity to do a lot of things. And the idea of teaching people what to do at home became my focus. And so we'd run the labs and teach 'em what to do at home. Yeah, there's always treatment. There's always, you can come in for your chiropractic and acupuncture and massage and different modalities and things, and yet putting the responsibility back on the person is the only thing that really works.

Reed (28m 2s):

So, you know, the, am I answering your question or am I Yeah,

Brian (28m 10s):

No, co you know, coaching up function and, and within sort of the protocol of this dress, so diet, rest, exercise, right? Stress reduction and supplementation.

Reed (28m 21s):

Well, the, the funny thing is, as I just said in my position in the office, I was the health director. I was directing all the traffic and practicing and running the labs and giving all of the consultations on, on those things that people could do at home. The, the other practitioners there were chiropractic, Accu So. they would, people would come in for treatment for that thing, that pain or whatever it was. And I was sending 'em home with a lifestyle program. And so I used, I said I was a coach, I used the term coach up function. Let's get things, let's get the nerve flow going through chiropractic.

Reed (29m 4s):

Let's get the blood flow going through massage and exercise. Let's get everything else flowing. And so once you get established what needs to be worked on using the lab work and exams and other things, well then it's what's the protocol? So, we coach up function with the right diet, the right sleep, the right exercise. Reducing stress is more of a coaching down thing. So if you have dysfunction in the gut, you have parasites or biofilms or you know, yeast overgrowth or all these things that we look at on paper and see, totally explains why you feel that crap.

Reed (29m 47s):

Well, let's coach down those things. That's different than just kill everything.

Brian (29m 52s):


Reed (29m 53s):

You know, so, so chasing things out by changing the environment is a little safer, less toxic than just taking a drug for, to kill a parasite, for instance. So I say coach function, coach down contributors to Metabolic Chaos, and thanks for reminding me of what a great system that is.

Brian (30m 17s):

What about supplements? That's one thing I've noticed, you know, with your dress protocol is obviously supplements are, are one piece of the puzzle.

Reed (30m 26s):

Yeah. That was a full circle thing, Brian, where, because when I first started working at that clinic, I went to classes that the owner said, Hey, you can get, she was getting her diplomat in Nutrition and I was kind of allowed to participate as a, as an assistant and get my Nutritional status. And so, but you know what, it was a bunch of selling supplements. Yeah. Honestly, that's really what it boiled down to. Take some surveys, ask a few questions here, try this, buy $500 worth of this crap for and take it for three months. Well, people would buy a month's worth or maybe two and they would feel better and think I'm cured.

Reed (31m 11s):

Quit taking it or it wouldn't work. And they quit taking it Either way. They quit taking it. So I knew that it wasn't the answer to the pro, it wasn't really addressing. So while supplements are part of the protocol, they're just one fifth of it. It's D-R-E-S-S, which is diet, rest, exercise, stress reduction. Then the supplementation really works. And you had to, I had to really learn how to use the right supplements to first of all replace what's missing in food. So supplementation is great because you can get the extra vitamins and minerals in a sense of fatty acids and antioxidants and trace elements, phytonutrients and things that aren't in food anymore.

Reed (31m 56s):

'cause food is not grown the way it used to be. The soils are depleted. So it's, it's deficient. So you can substitute for what's missing in food, that's a good thing. But also depending on what's condition you, you know, and the status, what, how you're doing. You might wanna support your digestion better. You might wanna stimulate the immune system. And again, you might want to coach down or chase away, kinda self-treat certain bacteria or viruses or even fungus and biofilms and, and things that are going on. So So, we, we use supplements as part of an overall lifestyle program, then they tend to be much more effective.

Reed (32m 41s):

But it on their own. You're just peeing away your money sometimes.

Brian (32m 47s):

Yeah. And what about the gut brain connection? Why don't you explain a little bit? Yeah, I

Reed (32m 54s):

Got one every time, every time my stomach's empty, it tells my brain that I'm hungry. You know, so there you go. It's really simple. It, yeah, it's not, it's not as mysterious as it might appear as gut brain thing. So yeah, they talk to each other. And matter of fact, some say that the gut has its own brain, and so that's part of what's going on. The nervous system is highly involved. The nerve, you know, which starts with the brain, the central nervous system. You got these big nerves that go down and keep things moving. you know, the digestive system has to work on its own.

Reed (33m 34s):

You don't have to think about digesting your food and assimilating it and processing it all throughout your body. So that's all done through the autonomic nervous system, which is part of the brain and body. And so there's, it's not the somatic part. Like if I think about I raise this hand, I'll grab this bottle and squirt this into my mouth, that's the somatic nervous system, allowing my, telling my muscles what to do. But the autonomic is what keeps your heart going. So it isn't just gut burning, it's, it's the entire body being sort of regulated by the autonomic system.

Reed (34m 15s):

And there's other aspects too. But that's close enough for, for me, for right now.

Brian (34m 23s):

And, what would you say, just on a personal level, how have you, have you changed any of your, like routines? We talk a lot about daily and evening routines, and I know you talked a lot about sleep hygiene. Like what have you changed through the years? you know, you, you're young, you look young, you, you're, you are still, you know, you're the, you know, fifties, well, you're 70, but you're really look 50. Right? So what have you done to through all your learning that that has changed through the years?

Reed (34m 52s):

Well, first of all, first of all, I married a young and beautiful woman

Brian (35m 1s):

That helps,

Reed (35m 2s):

Right? And, and we stay active. And, and she's a Practitioner too. We really care. We wake up every day and try to be loving and appreciative, you know. So the mindset is one of my biggest things. you know, I used to just slug through, I've had a couple other careers, and I was also mission driven and very dedicated to being the best at whatever I was doing and, and things. So I've always been very driven. But this, this is deeper, this gets into the mental, emotional, spiritual psychospiritual, if you want the idea of communicating with the intelligence that created and runs the universe.

Reed (35m 48s):

you know, that's kind of a deep thing. I, I'd say that doesn't sound like it's coming from a guy who teaches a course in anatomy and physiology and biochemistry, But. it really is the, the answer to your question, you know, I get up every day with a mindset that I can do some good in the world. And then I, my day's organized around that until, you know, because I started around four and then by two o'clock I've got my, my days work done, and I can go play and have fun and enjoy. They say put more life in your years, not years in your life.

Reed (36m 28s):

And so that's really the thing that's changed for me is

Brian (36m 34s):

Mi more of a mi more of a mindset and yeah. And gratitude. I

Reed (36m 38s):

Don't work 12 hours a day anymore.

Brian (36m 40s):

Yeah. you

Reed (36m 40s):

Know, 14 or 18. I, I have to get my outdoor time.

Brian (36m 47s):

And, and your book, you were one of the authors of, of this book called The Gap, simple Steps to Reclaim Your Health and Reverse Most Chronic Diseases. What was the basis behind that book?

Reed (36m 59s):

The basis is, somebody asked me to write a chapter in their book. Okay. And I said, well, sure, I'll contribute, you know, and I wrote about the Dress for Health success. Matter of fact, every one of your listeners, if they go to AURL, I can give you, yeah, you can put it in your show notes. Brian can get a free dress for Health Success GuidebookGo. And I think it's a worthy read. So that chapter's basically about our Dress for Health Success program doesn't include much on the labs and all the stuff you need to know the, the research behind it, you know, getting your own data is critical. But once you know, you know how you're functioning in these areas, hormones, immune digestion, detoxification, and so on, you can tune all of that up with the Dress for Health Success Program.

Reed (37m 51s):

It stands for Diet Rest, exercise, stress Reduction and Supplementation. So D-R-E-S-S, it's so successful of a program. You're taking a course where that's about half the course, all of the lab work. And then there's the protocols, and we have a business section too, so people can enjoy their life making a living, doing this work. But that dress is, that's really the foundation. And so I was asked to write that chapter, and I don't have much else to write about

Brian (38m 26s):

Ab I'm sure you could have wrote, wrote more if you were asked, but what, what about, we'll just touch briefly on diet. Okay. Which a lot of times is the first thing that, that comes up, you know, as a health coach or even just having a health podcast, that's what we discuss a lot about And, you know, you have different extremes of dieting, right? From carnivore to vegan. What is the basis behind the protocol or the, you know, sort of the, you know, well, yeah, the,

Reed (38m 58s):

The basis is that there's no one diet that's right for everybody. And if someone says, I have the perfect diet for everybody, they're, they're wrong. I could express that in other terms. Yeah. But they're wrong. And so an example is when I first started trying to help others, The D, the Atkins Diet. Atkins Diet, which was a good read by the way, the, the book by Dr. Atkins. And man, it made so much sense, and it, it worked for me. I had energy and slept well and built muscle and all the things. But when I started recommending it to other people, some got good results, some got no change, it felt the same, just as crappy as before.

Reed (39m 47s):

Some got worse. Hmm. Felt worse than before. So, oh boy, that doesn't work. Now what? So I, I started researching and I ran across some very interesting books and work I'll, I don't mind saying that Bill Wolcott, William Wolcott, who wrote the Metabolic Typing Diet, who was very, very instructional and constructive in helping us form our d for diet. Matter of fact, we use metabolic type because it's as close to your genetic requirements as possible. So that's the key, is to find out your individual genetic requirements. And there's ways to use, again, everything we do is very systematized, so that you can eliminate trial and error to the best of our ability.

Reed (40m 34s):

We don't wanna just try this, try that, try people are sick and try this, try that So, we have ways of collecting data that would point us in the right direction. And so it's based on genetics, your protein, Fat and carb ratios, probably the place to start just getting that right will get your body producing energy on a cellular level, cellular energy at the right rate. Quality quantity. Cells don't need to be taught what their job is. They already have that innate intelligence within them. Yeah. So, we need to fuel them correctly. And the right percentage of protein, Fat and carbs is a good place to start.

Reed (41m 15s):

And it goes on from there.

Brian (41m 18s):

Yeah. That was something that was new to me. The Metabolic typing sort of protocol or diet, however you wanna explain, is diet. Yeah. Diet. Yeah. Yeah. And certain people can oxidize foods differently than others. Right. Whether it's, you know, they're a fast or a slow oxidizer.

Reed (41m 36s):

We, we oxidize, we burn fuel at different rates, right? And so that means you gotta get the right fuel. So if you take an Eskimo who's a very fast oxidizer, they burn fuel very quickly and So, they burn slow burning fuel like protein and mostly Fat. I mean, their diet's about 80 to 90% Fat some protein of course, and very little on the carb side. Why do they do so well on that? Well, because they're very fast oxidizers, but a slow oxidizer would die on that diet. you know, someone from the mountains of, you know, in, up in the Andes down there in South America, who's used to eating, who's never been below 8,000 feet in their life, never seen snow in their life, being near the equator like they are.

Reed (42m 26s):

And, and So, they would eat a lot of corn and potatoes, right. Do very well. You feed corn and potatoes to an Eskimo, they get diabetes and and die. So it's, it's your genetics that make up your requirements. There's no one food that's right for everybody. Although I have to say, there's some foods that are bad for everybody, like sugar.

Brian (42m 49s):

Right, right. There's probably, there's a common theme, you know, these highly processed palable foods wouldn't be good for an Eskimo or something, you know, an an Indian or whoever. Yeah. Catch

Reed (43m 0s):

An Indian. Yeah. Right. Yeah,

Brian (43m 3s):

Yeah. No, I, I think that's a great way to look at diet, because especially having a podcast and having different views and people have different stories, and I talk about self experimentation, but that's one aspect of doing it. But when you're testing and you're finding out, you know, what foods And, what, you know, Metabolic type, you are, it's a great way to sort of take the guessing out of it.

Reed (43m 26s):

Yeah. There's, there's no inherent quality in the food. It's who's eating it that matters. I mean, there are things in food, again, protein, Fat, carbs and all the micronutrients, vitamins and minerals and so on. But it's who's eating them that matters. And so a lot of your guests, they may have talked about a diet that worked for them, and that's a beautiful thing. We're so happy you found the right diet for you. But they may not think of it in terms of protein, Fat and carb ratios, or they may have some other way of assessing it. Low oxidates, low inflammatory, if, you know, no nightshades or, you know, whatever it might be. And the testing comes in handy to get rid of some of the very irritating foods.

Reed (44m 11s):

There's other types of oral intolerances, you know, like lactose intolerance for instance. That's not the immune system saying you're allergic to it. It's your digestive system saying, we can't break this down properly, so we're gonna give you some symptoms around that. Some gas, heartburn, indigestion, bloating, diarrhea or whatever. So, so there's different ways to look at it, but there's no one diet that's right for everybody, but there's one that's right for you.

Brian (44m 39s):

Yeah. That, yeah, that's a great way to look at it. And a common question, I ask a lot of individuals that come on the podcast, if you were gonna give one tip to an individual who, who was looking to get their body or their mind back to what it once was, maybe 10, 15 years ago, what one tip would you give that individual?

Reed (45m 0s):

Oh man. It's hard. I keep thinking of what helps me is this idea of self-awareness and that I'm not my body and I'm not my mind and emotions, you know, that I'm a, a being of another sort and that, you know, I'm just kind of being housed in this body and thoughts are accumulated, like, just like the body, you know, like I, everything I've ever eaten probably is showing up somewhere in this physical body. Everything I've ever thought of or you know, is somewhere in my head. But there's still that other element that's neither of those things.

Reed (45m 45s):

And it's not always easy to get in touch with you. You just sort of develop that awareness and it's makes for a peaceful, happy life. you know, it makes for joy. I, I can kind of go through things knowing that that's not what matters. It, it's might, might not be articulating that quite right right now, but, but yeah, spending that time, you know, as a spiritual being is very important. And that's not diet, that's not rest, that's not exercise or supplements or any of that stuff. But. it is part of stress reduction. So in The, D, RESS, stress reduction is, is key.

Reed (46m 28s):

And, and having a way of thinking or not thinking, but way of being, can be really conducive to a more joyful life.

Brian (46m 41s):

Yeah. I like that. I like that. That's the yeah, that, I mean, a lot of times people will be like, oh, you know, go for daily walks and do things and, and those tips. But, but sort of being, I guess your point is maybe just being present and taking time to, like taking time by yourself maybe with your thoughts.

Reed (47m 5s):

Yeah, it is called doing nothing.

Brian (47m 8s):

Yeah. Doing nothing. And,

Reed (47m 9s):

But I can do nothing on my motorcycle and I can do nothing. Wa I think walking around Yeah. And noticing things around and paying attention and being in the moment is, that's why I have a gar, I'm a landscaper gardener and I love my property. I, I just get so much joy from going around and seeing things growing and planting things. And mostly I buy seedlings or young plants. I don't buy a lot, I don't do a lot of seed like seeds, but I get the concept and getting things to grow. Like my wife, we walk around, she goes, God, these plants are really happy. you know, because, and we think they are, you know, they, they like, and it's a joyful thing.

Reed (47m 55s):

And that's my one tip, obviously eating, eating the right foods, you know, and not eating the bad ones and all that stuff matters too.

Brian (48m 5s):

Yeah, no, I, I, I love that. I mean, I go for probably three walks a day with my dogs and it's like my favorite time of the time of the day. And

Reed (48m 14s):

You get some of your best ideas, right?

Brian (48m 16s):

Yeah. Best ideas. It's just like, and I don't, you know, I don't bring my phone. I mean, there's people who are like on their phones the whole time while they're walking. I never understood that. So I just try to stay present. And I think that's, you know, a, you know. Yeah. That's a great tip.

Reed (48m 31s):

And we don't judge. We don't judge.

Brian (48m 32s):

No, no, no. Not at all. Not at all. Well, this was great, Reid. I appreciate you coming on. Thank you, Brian. I, I've heard your lectures for the last however many months and, and to get you on the podcast and, and, and talk about FDN and, and your journey. It's been great.

Reed (48m 49s):

Thank you, sir. Yeah,

Brian (48m 51s):


Reed (48m 51s):

Happy to be here anytime. If you got a particular, you wanna dial in on one of these areas. 'cause we, we kept it pretty broad. Sure.

Brian (48m 57s):

Which is,

Reed (48m 58s):

I live in that space of just over, you know, trying to see everything, you know, I run a company of 50 people and yet, you know, it all seems to flow and come together.

Brian (49m 13s):

And, and also I'll put the link in the show notes that you mentioned, FDN training.com/get clean. Is that what you have had it as

Reed (49m 22s):

It it, the name of your podcast?

Brian (49m 24s):

Oh, the name of the, okay, that's fine. I'll put it in a show

Reed (49m 27s):

Notes. In the show notes. It's there, it's in my calendar here. I forgot it too. But, but yeah, so

Brian (49m 34s):

I'll put that in and, and if people want a free, what was it? A free, free guide,

Reed (49m 38s):

The Dress for Health Success Guide.

Brian (49m 41s):

Guide. Perfect.

Reed (49m 42s):

Okay. Yeah. And it's FDN training.com/ GETLEAN.

Brian (49m 49s):

Got it. Okay. It'll be in the show notes and, good, good. And yeah, we'll also put link to FDN in there as well. So if people wanna learn about FDN and maybe, you know,

Reed (50m 5s):

Get, they can just go get, go get that booklet and if it interests you, if you wanna know more, they, they'll, they'll pester you somehow.

Brian (50m 14s):

All. right, Reid, well thank you so much, Kevin.

Reed (50m 16s):

Hey, yeah, Brian, I look forward to doing your post, post-grad interview with you.

Brian (50m 20s):

Yeah, that'll be fun.

Reed (50m 22s):

Okay buddy. Thanks. Thanks man.

Brian (50m 26s):

Thanks for listening to the Get Lean Eat Clean Podcast. I understand there are millions of other Podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned, In, this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again, and have a great day.

Reed Davis

Reed Davis, Board Certified Holistic Health Practitioner (HHP) and Certified Nutritional Therapist (CNT), is an expert in functional lab testing and holistic lifestyle medicine. Over 20 years ago, Reed Davis recognized people were caught in a “cycle of trial and error” and he committed to being the last person they needed to see. While working with top leaders in alternative medicine, he ran thousands of labs on thousands of people and learned to identify “healing opportunities.” Using all-natural, drug-free protocols, Reed made observations about who got better and who didn’t, codifying which “general principles of health building” would outperform “specific treatments” being provided by standard and even alternative medicine. And through this work, he then developed the Functional Diagnostic Nutrition® Certification Course and D.R.E.S.S. for Health Success Protocol® to educate and empower as many people as possible about how to get well and stay well naturally, so they, in turn, may empower others to do the same.


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