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Interview with Melanie Avalon: Biohacks for Life, Organic Wine, MCT Oils and How to Eat as Much as you Like!

April 25, 2022 in Podcast


This week I interviewed author, entrepreneur and podcast host, Melanie Avalon! @Melanie Avalon We discussed what she learned from trying every different eating style, her favorite biohacks for longevity, the importance of choosing organic wine over conventional, why you should prioritize protein in your diet, the health benefits of deuterium depleted water, and her one tip to get your body back to what it once was! Enjoy the show!

0 (1s): Coming up on the get lean, eat, clean podcast. 1 (4s): Some people are moderation is some people are good at making. They want to make small changes. They want to like make baby steps and slowly progress towards a goal or a change. Some people are on the flip side extremists. They want to go all in all or none. So I think knowing what you are is like the first step and working within that. So like for me, I'm an extremist for sure. And I don't do good with do well with moderation. So I, every dietary approach I tried, I just jumped in and like went cold Turkey. I did that with low carb. I did that with fasting. I did that with paleo and that worked really well for me. But if you're the type of person that wants to slowly make changes, I completely support that. 0 (49s): Hello and welcome to the get clean, eat clean podcast. I'm Brian grin. And I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it, once was five, 10, even 15 years ago each week. I'll give you an in-depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long-term sustainable results. This week I interviewed author, entrepreneur and podcast host Melanie Avalon. We discussed what she learned from trying every different eating style, her favorite biohacks for longevity, the importance of drinking organic wine, along with why you should prioritize protein, the health benefits of deteriorate depleted water and her one tip to get your body back to what it once was. 0 (1m 31s): I really enjoyed my interview with Melanie. I hope you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All right. Welcome to the get lean clean podcast. My name is Brian grin and I have a special guest Melanie Avalon. Welcome to the show. 1 (1m 47s): Thank you, Brian. I am so happy to be here. Thank you for having me. 0 (1m 51s): Yeah, it's nice to have you on Melanie has been very helpful for myself. She's an experienced podcaster she's co-host of one podcast and has the biohacking podcast, is her her other one? Yeah. Welcome to the show. I'm excited to have you on you've. We have a lot to talk about today, but maybe before we get into that, why don't you tell the audience maybe a little bit about your background and I know you have quite a health story as well. 1 (2m 20s): Sure. So I first, like a lot of people came to the whole health world diet world, ultimately biohacking world for two reasons that I feel like a lot of people go through w the first one was trying all these crazy diets and one to lose weight, and then actually finding the diets that worked for me, and then realizing that diet wasn't just about weight loss, that it had all of these other effects beyond that health wise. And then the biohacking intrense came from my own health issues, trying to find answers and just crazily searching all the rabbit holes and tangents on the internet and starting to find things that not only helped me with my own health struggles, but just helped me revitalize my entire life and experience of the world. 1 (3m 8s): And so I've been doing all of these, a lot of these weird quote biohacking things before there was really the concept of biohacking. Like the first thing I probably did was wearing blue light blocking glasses. And that was, I mean like a decade ago, maybe like nobody was wearing them then. So yeah, that's, that's a really long story short. 0 (3m 32s): And what I guess, you know, we always talk about with diet. It is a bit of a it's, it can be a long road for some people and sort of a self experimentation and finding what works. What, what did you learn about diet and yourself and just, you know, finding ways to optimize your health? 1 (3m 53s): Yeah. So the, the thing I did that made me have the epiphany about diet being more than just weight loss was when I first started a low carb diet. And before you think, like, I'm going to say that low carb diet is the answer. I don't necessarily think that I, but I did. I tried a low carb diet and the thing I was so fascinated about it, this also was way before it was well, not way before the low carb diet was popular, but I feel like people weren't like keto is all the things right now. And everybody knows about keto and measuring ketones. And nobody was really talking about it when I was doing it. 1 (4m 34s): And I was so fascinated by the concept of looking at ketones in your urine. And because it seems like a scientific way to measure fat burning. So that's when I got really obsessed with the science of diet. But interestingly, I, so I did keto for probably, I dunno, maybe like four or five years. And I fell into the trap that I think a lot of people fall into, which is finding a diet that really works for you at that time. And then thinking that like, that's the answer and that's what you have to do for the rest of your life. So I experienced this a lot. You mentioned I'm the co-host of another show. I have the, the intermittent fasting podcast and we get so many questions about people that are just like, terrified. 1 (5m 20s): Like they've gone low carb or keto, and they're terrified of carbs. And they're terrified of trying anything else because you know, keto has worked for them up until that point. And some people maybe keto will work for life, but some people may be change works. So for me, like now I eat super high carb, low fat. So the consistency has been high protein, but the point is I think different diets work for different people at different times. And there's not one right. Diet for everyone. 0 (5m 53s): Totally true in you, you, you, on your blog, Melanie, avalon.com talk about paleo and intermittent fasting. How have you weave those into your life? 1 (6m 3s): Yeah, so the paleo part of it, it's funny I was doing well, like I should start with, okay. I was doing a low carb. Then I started doing intermittent fasting. I did it because I read this blog post online called it was like called eat one meal a day to lose weight or something. And it had like 300 comments on it. This was before people were really 0 (6m 29s): Intense 1 (6m 29s): With the internet. This was before social media was like, it was today. So I decided to do the one meal a day thing for a week. And 0 (6m 44s): I'm going to say for like years, but more okay. 1 (6m 47s): I was like, I want to try this for a week. I was already a little carved. So it was already fat-adapted right. That I would do it for a week. And it was so profound, like so many beneficial effects were brought into my life that I never stopped. And that was 2010 or 11. And then the paleo aspect was I saw I was doing low carb. I was doing one meal a day, intermittent fasting. I was like, I'm doing all the things. There's what else do I need to do? But I was still eating like processed, like Quito and like artificial, artificial sweeteners and all of that. And I read Rob, Wolf's the paleo solution you've had Rob on the show. 1 (7m 32s): Right? 0 (7m 33s): Rob, 1 (7m 34s): I love frog. So he was my hero. I read the paleo solution. And I was like, I guess I'll try this whole paleo thing. And then I, again, I kind of like when I first went low carb, I realized, oh, there are so many effects from what I'm eating, but I didn't even realize like my skin cleared up even more, my energy got better. I just felt better. So my approach with paleo was basically like meat, fruits, or not fruit at that time. It would've just been like meat and vegetables basically. But I cut out all of the, the processed stuff that I've been having. And it was, it was amazing. 1 (8m 14s): So I still exist within a paradigm of whole foods. Right. Like to do low fat or low carb. I don't like to combine them, but yes. 0 (8m 24s): Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of ways, like you mentioned that individuals can eat. And obviously a lot of people are doing, getting into low carb and keto. And I will say for myself, I enjoy low carb. I think I, I think mentally, I just feel better throughout the day, as far as like one meal a day and some days I go one meal a day, some days I feel like I want to just eat more than one meal. And so I'll have two meals, but it's like our buddy Brad Kearns, I think, you know, talks about two meals a day. I think it's a good rhythm to get into for like majority of people. You know, I don't, I don't think everyone's maybe built for one meal a day, especially if you're trying to build muscle, but, but two meals is, is I think a good rhythm personally, to get in for most people with really minimal snacking and just eating whole foods. 0 (9m 18s): Right. 1 (9m 19s): I, I agree so much. I agree is that yeah, one meal day, everybody does not, is not cut out for that. And when I say one meal a day, I don't do like one hour it's it's like five or six hours. 0 (9m 33s): Right. You give yourself a nice time to eat that meal. 1 (9m 37s): I feast every night for a very long time, but yeah, I think two meals a day works really well for a lot of people. And again, it's just finding what works for you, but I do think a lot of most people could benefit from that. So, so do you, like when you're doing two meals, about how many hours does it end up being in that? 0 (9m 59s): Yeah, so I typically what the routine I'm in right now is I will go fast to throughout the day and work out perhaps around one o'clock ish and then, you know, probably break my fast after that. So I say I probably on average break my fast around two o'clock and then that window's open for about probably four and a half hours. So two to six 30, let's just say, so I have one meal at 2, 2 30 ish and then another meal at five 30, you know, w w we like to eat early and be done. I don't like to eat too late, close to bedtime. And so that's when I typically do my two meals. 1 (10m 41s): So you're actually probably eating in a smaller eating window than I am with my one meal. 0 (10m 48s): Yeah. Yeah. And, and when you say high car by you, just when you, I'm assuming you also prioritize protein, you mentioned, so are you doing like a lot of vegetables and some type of meat, fish chicken? 1 (11m 4s): Yeah. Yeah. So, so the consistency through my, all my dietary fluctuations since having these epiphanies is the high protein aspect. And I do really well with lean animal protein. So I've always had, like, I mean, when I say pounds, I mean eight pounds of meat every day. 0 (11m 23s): How many 1 (11m 24s): Pounds, 0 (11m 25s): How many pounds of meat? 1 (11m 26s): How many? So I'm going to scallop phase right now. And I probably eat like two pounds of scallops every night, plus like a half pound or more of fish or chicken 0 (11m 41s): Eat more than I do if you're watching on YouTube, Melanie is very trim. 1 (11m 49s): There's just a, there's some magic to, yeah. And I haven't always been lane. There's a lot of magic too. I think like, you don't have to count calories if you control for lack of a better word, like what you're eating the macros. And so like with the carb aspect, I eat also pounds of fruit. So it's, it's, it's a lot of like meat and fruit. 0 (12m 14s): Okay. And are you eating fruit? Are you eating fruit on its own? Are you eating it with meals? 1 (12m 22s): I, so I'm just so crazy. Cause I have the same pattern and people always want to know it. It's funny. People always want to know. They're like, tell me what you're eating. Like show me meals, like show me pictures. I'm like, you don't want to know. Like, it's very weird and it's very boring and crazy. Like, you don't want to do what I 0 (12m 38s): Do. Like pounds of berries. 1 (12m 41s): Yes. So I, I normally start, it's like the same routine every night. I start with my wine, have some cucumbers, some lunch on, then I have my big meal of meat and scallops and all the things. And then my dessert is I eat pounds of berries. 0 (13m 0s): Oh, has your dessert, what time are you done eating it typically late. You sound like a late eater. 1 (13m 8s): Yeah, I eat until I go to bed, I sleep so much better. I actually, this is so interesting. So I recently did a really, really long blog post and it was in the, actually the, the bio-hackers update magazine. I wanted to actually look at the research on early versus late night eating. And I thought I would walk away being convinced that I should be an early eater cause of my dreamworld. I'm an early eater, even though I'm not. But when I really, really looked at the studies and everything, I actually, and I can go into more detail if you want. 1 (13m 52s): But my, my, like, as objective as I can be takeaway without trying to have any preconceived notions, it seems like eating window of like four to like four to six ish. So like late afternoon to before the sun goes down, seems to be when hormonally, we are prime to eat. That is not what I eat, but that was my takeaway. Like breakfast hormonally doesn't really match up from my interpretation of the studies, even though they conclude the opposite and the conclusions. 0 (14m 29s): Oh wait. So you're saying, they said that ideally you should eat before sundown. Correct. 1 (14m 35s): So, so a lot of these studies, yeah. We'll be looking at hormonal like hormones throughout the day. So cortisol insulin epinephrin and it's, it's really interesting because the conclusion will usually that we should eat breakfast and be eating early, but looking at the hormones, it makes the most sense to me with the data in those studies that it would be later. Cause like when you wake up, you have a cortisol spike. Right. Which is, I should pull up my notes that I have with all the, all the different hormones, but that's to release energy. 1 (15m 16s): So it's not like we wake up and our body is looking for energy. Like we wake up and hormonally, our body gives us energy from ourselves. So I don't know why would be eating right then. And then other hormones, like our hunger hormones and our satiety hormones are actually like, it's that window. I said like our hunger hormones are going up then. So it's like a good time to eat. And then also we we're good with insulin sensitivity and our satiety hormones. It just all lines up. Well, so it's interesting how then the conclusions that are drawn and I think that's a lot that this historical and cultural breakfast industries. 0 (15m 58s): Oh yeah. Well, if you think about what a typical breakfast is, I mean, it's almost like a dessert, right? That's where a lot of the refined carbs and sugars come into play. And so if you could like, even just eliminating that, I mean, if you want to get up and have some berries and stuff, I think, I think there's nothing wrong with that. Right. It's just, it's when you get into the muffins and the croissants and donuts, that's where you can get into trouble. 1 (16m 28s): Do you know w why CA how Kellogg's, why Kellogg's cereal was started? 0 (16m 35s): I feel like someone told me, but I don't know off the top of my head. 1 (16m 40s): Yeah. This will, this one, this is not going to okay. It's something to do with Mr. Kellogg wanting to treat, was it like obsessive sexuality problems? And so he thought that this cereal would reduce sexual desires. Okay. 0 (17m 0s): I think I saw someone posted about Mr. Kellogg. 1 (17m 7s): So 0 (17m 8s): Yeah, no, I'm sure. 1 (17m 9s): I don't know. 0 (17m 17s): Okay. Well, what let's, let's shift topics a little bit. Let's talk about biohacks. This is something that you're, you have the melody Avalon biohacking podcast. Lot of great guests. Definitely want to check that out. What are some of the best bio-hacks that you can sort of that you've learned just from either your podcast or from yourself? 1 (17m 38s): Yeah. So, well, I, and I guess to define biohacking, so, cause I, I'm always curious to hear people think biohacking is because it's of a nebulous word word, and people include different things in the definition. So I'd really be curious to hear right. You consider biohacking. 0 (17m 58s): Yeah. That's the first time I've been asked that. No, so I would say, I would say biohacking is a way my definition would be is, oh, is a non-traditional way to, to optimize your health. 1 (18m 12s): So nontraditional way to optimize your health. So something that's 0 (18m 19s): Maybe a little bit out of the box. Right. That's what I think of, for some people it might be in the box, but for most people they're like white, like, I'll give you an example. Like I think a great biohack for just like having a better mood and more energy is like cold exposure. I lucky enough to have a coal plunger, which is in my house. So it is the ultimate, just pick me up. And I think, you know, if people don't want to have to get a poll ponder, they could do cold showers. So that would be my example of a bio-hack. 1 (18m 53s): Okay. That's it. Okay. That's a good example because, so I consider biohacking to be like technology and supplements and tools and tips and tricks and things that we not, we would not normally be able to engage with, to engage in without modern technology that is to optimize our health and performance. And ironically often reverts us back to the way things were. So, so like with the cold example, I would consider biohacking a cold punch. Because like in real life, you don't have a, you don't normally have this tub in your house of cold freezing water. 1 (19m 38s): I would consider cryotherapy biohacking, but I wouldn't consider like going outside in the winter biohacking 0 (19m 46s): Makes sense. 1 (19m 47s): But some people would. So that's, that's why I find it interesting. The definition. 0 (19m 54s): Yeah. And is, I know you love to do cryotherapy. Is that one of your favorite biohacks I know, I think you do it every day. It's an expensive, 1 (20m 2s): Unless I can't. Well, where I go that like, so for people who are interested in crowd therapy, you can sometimes find places to have pretty good. 0 (20m 10s): Good. 1 (20m 11s): Yeah. Yeah. So actually I'll tell people, cause I, I go, depending on where you live, I go to restore and it's a chain. Yeah. So they have, and they have an amazing, they often have an amazing joined special where you get everything for like really cheap. So you can try it for a month at least. But 0 (20m 34s): Melanie, where are you located? 1 (20m 35s): I'm in Atlanta. 0 (20m 36s): Atlanta told me that. 1 (20m 38s): Yeah. You're in Northeast. 0 (20m 40s): I'm in Chicago. 1 (20m 42s): Yeah. Yeah. So it's cryotherapy. And to define that for listeners, that's where you're you, I'm going to cold chamber, cold air, negative, negative to 222, somewhere around there. Yeah. 0 (20m 59s): And, and the reason you can go into that, into that arena, whenever you want to go, it's like a, like your head is exposed, right. And you, you have 1 (21m 11s): No one, I go and I go on one. That's completely. 0 (21m 14s): Okay. Cause the one I've one that I've done is your, your head sticks out and you put on gloves and you put on gloves and socks. Okay. 1 (21m 24s): Yeah. This, they have that type. And then they have one where you're completely immersed and the complete immersion one that there's like a window that you can have down if you want, but I like it up. 0 (21m 35s): And what are the main reasons you do that every day? 1 (21m 38s): Oh my goodness. So many. I had wind pop on the show, which was amazing. And he's for people interested in cold and the benefits check out his book. So there's so many benefits. The immune system really, really benefits from the, the cold stress. It basically activates all of our stress genes to help supercharge our ourselves and boost our immunity, help our energy, help our mitochondria. There's some really good studies on mood. And I, I really experienced that. So when I walk, I go in and then when I walk out, I just feel so, so good. 1 (22m 22s): Cause it releases endorphins and dopamine and serotonin, and it's amazing, really good effects on blood sugar. So oftentimes I'll wear a CGM, a continuous glucose monitor. And I always see that prior, like once I go in and do my session and I come out, my blood sugar drops and stays low for the rest of the day. 0 (22m 45s): That's interesting. Yeah. That's interesting that you say that. Cause I have a CGM I'm using right now, which, and I do hot therapy, some hot sauna, and then I do cold and I got to start tracking that a little bit more and seeing how it affects me. But yeah, there's been, I know there's still, there's still a lot of studies out there that, you know, there's still more research to, to fully understand all these benefits, but I'm, I'm with you. I think improved mood, even athletic recovery is great. I mean, I used to have some hip issues and just going in the cold exposure. I do it probably every other day is great for that as well. 0 (23m 27s): What other biohacks do like, 1 (23m 33s): So I mentioned the blue light blocking glasses, so I've been doing those for so, so long that in combination with, I love red light therapy. So I love for 0 (23m 47s): When you said, when you say, I'm sorry, when you say red light therapy, maybe explain that. 1 (23m 52s): Sure. Yeah. So red and I'm looking at my device, red and near infrared light therapy. So it is types of wavelengths of light that have health benefits. So the red light is the visible spectrum. So it literally looks red. So my apartment every night is just like this whole red vibe near-infrared is actually invisible. You can't see it, but exposing it to your body. So it has both of them have these benefits, but anti-inflammatory benefits. So it's really great for muscle recovery. It actually helps yourself mitochondria generate energy. 1 (24m 32s): So that's the reason that it can seemingly helps so many things because it's just helping your cells function better. It's great for skin. I love the mood going back to like the light and the mood benefits. I we're exposed to so much blue light today, which is not natural and can be create insomnia and stress and headaches and things like that. So I like to combat it with bringing red light into my life, which is more of the type of light that would be in the rising and setting sun. So I find, I actually usually have a red light device on 24 7. I don't have it on right now. Cause it's a little bit, there's a fan in it, but it, I, I love it. 1 (25m 14s): Can't simulate without it. 0 (25m 16s): Yeah. Yeah. I've done some infrared saunas and that's another way that the nice thing about the infrared sauna is you're not like in a steam shots sauna, right? Like you could sit in there for 45 minutes and just get a good sweat. And we all know how important it is, the sweat, it's our, it's our biggest organ, our skin. And for detoxification, a lot of people do it when they think they might have some like heavy, heavy metal toxic toxicity. So yeah. I mean, you can now buy sort of like, like you said, you can buy almost like these shields. Right. And you don't need a whole sauna per se. Right. 1 (25m 53s): Well, so I should clarify. So sauna is actually different. It's foreign Fred. Okay. So everything I was talking about was near infrared and red light. 0 (26m 3s): Although I was just gonna say, I, I think a lot of these saunas now have all three 1 (26m 7s): Or they might have, but that the part that makes you sweat so that like the part that's required for the sauna is the foreign for ed. So like near infrared and red light, it doesn't really make you hot or anything like that. It's more, it's more surface, but the far infrared is, but you're right. The saunas often have all three now, but the far infrared is one that actually goes in deeper and heats up, keeps you in from the inside out. What, what feels so amazing about it? And I'm sure that you've experienced this. Is it. So an a normal sauna, a normal sauna, that's not infrared sauna, a traditional heat sauna heats you from the outside end. 1 (26m 51s): So it it's, you feel really hot. Like it actually, it requires you to get really hot to get the benefits 0 (26m 59s): There for that long either. 1 (27m 1s): Yeah, yeah, exactly. Compared to foreign for red, it's kind of like how you can, so you feel it and you're hot and you sweat, but it's kind of like how you can have a fever and not necessarily feel like super hot. It can give you an, a fever and artificial fever, even though it's a real fever, but artificially induced through the sauna without requiring you to be super uncomfortable. So like I do my sauna session every single night and it feels so good, but heavy metal. Yeah. It's amazing for heavy metal detox. Cause I had heavy metal toxicity and there's a lot of studies on heavy metal excretion. 0 (27m 39s): Did you know you had heavy metal toxicity? 1 (27m 42s): I got tested and 0 (27m 45s): I'm sorry to hear a mineral test 1 (27m 47s): Blood pair hair as well. But blood was the one that was a red flag. So your, your levels are supposed to be, this is a Testament to how much fish I eat. Your levels are supposed to be like, I I'd have to look in like five or 10 or something or last Mine were 30, 0 (28m 8s): Too much sushi 1 (28m 10s): Too much. I know what it, well, I was okay. I feel very strongly about this. I was historically eating just low mercury fish. So I was eating tilapia bear Mundey by a certain brand shrimp scallops. I didn't understand how important it is. It's hard. Okay. I feel so passionate about this. It's hard because you don't see the mercury in the fish like, so it can seem like not a big deal. So I moved to LA and I started trying, I was like, it's not that big of a deal if I have like a little bit at this higher mercury fish or if I have like a piece of swordfish. 1 (28m 54s): So what I've realized since then, if you have one piece of swordfish, if you like, look at the data, if you have one piece of swordfish, that's like a normal amount of mercury for a piece of swordfish, it could be the equivalent of eating 300 pieces of tilapia in that one piece. So I really encourage people to don't don't take it seriously. The mercury in fish. 0 (29m 22s): Yeah. Yeah. Because like you said, it's almost like a silent killer, I mean killer, but it's a silent toxin that you would never know. Did you start feeling symptoms of anything that would, that you would, you know, that would, you know, 1 (29m 34s): I, I literally thought I was dying 0 (29m 38s): And it really felt that 1 (29m 41s): It's hard to know. Cause it's all happened at the same time because I actually had anemia as well that I wasn't aware of. And I ended up in the hospital. So, so it was all happening at once, but yeah, it'd be the mercury toxicity. My, my doctor found, like I said, it was 30, which is like, you really usually only have that if you had an acute exposure. So it's crazy that it was that high. I will do a PSA though that I, I did culation pharmaceutical culation and I got my levels down, but I just want to encourage people if they go that route. I don't know if I would have gone the route that I went with that. So, cause it can, it pulls out your body's own nutrients at the same time. 0 (30m 24s): So you're better off maybe doing, like, when you say culation like a way to obviously pull it out of your body. Good ways would be infrared sauna. 1 (30m 33s): Yeah. So I have a whole blog post about this, that if you have show notes, you can maybe put a link to, but I don't know. So like for me, my levels were so high. I do think I definitely needed pharmaceutical culation, but I'm such an extremist that I was like, oh, like I have mercury toxicity. Culation we'll pull it out. Let me just do as much culation as possible. And I would have gone slower. I would have taken weeks off to like quote remineralize, and then I would have focused as well. Like you just said on sauna and other, other avenues. There's a whole world out there. Yeah, 0 (31m 9s): Yeah, yeah. You know, I interviewed Dr. Anthony Gustin and I haven't published it yet, but he had, he had mold toxicity. It took him like years to like figure it out. And it was in his house, you know, it was just, he lives in Texas, a lot of humidity and yeah. Anyways, he has a whole story around that. 1 (31m 30s): I had 0 (31m 35s): A good mold too. I just sent the hair mineral test in Bart, Barton, Scott, his company, upgraded formulas. They do a hair mineral test. So if people are interested in something like that, it does test for heavy metals. I interviewed him. So that, that is out. Yeah. Barton Scott upgraded formulas. So anyways, let's move on. W let's talk a lot of ways we can go, let's talk. I deteriorate depleted water. Let's talk water a little bit. Cause obviously we're, what are we made up of like 65% of water and most people probably don't drink enough. 0 (32m 15s): What is your thoughts around that? As you drink water, 1 (32m 21s): Drink some depleted water. Tell 0 (32m 23s): Me about that. I'm curious. You know, 1 (32m 25s): So I am fascinated by this. It's something that I think might be really, really having a profound effect on us and nobody's realizing it or not. That's the thing, like it's something that I, okay. Let me backtrack and say what it is. So there are, are there three or four types of hydrogen? So there's normal, normal, there's normal hydrogen, which is protium. So that's the type of hydrogen that we think of when we think of hydrogen, there's the type of hydrogen found in hydrogen bombs. 1 (33m 13s): I don't know what is the name for that? And then there's deterioration. So deterior is an isotope of hydrogen and it's basically a heavier form of, of hydrogen it's in our water supply. It's it's everywhere. And it, our, our mitochondria, because water, like you just said is, I mean like more water than not right. Which is interesting to think about. And I'm super involved in our, I keep mentioning mitochondria, but super involved in ourselves and energy production and all of that. And so the theory behind deteriorate is that it's actually a heavier form of hydrogen that kind of Gunks up the mitochondria to use a really casual terminology to describe it. 1 (33m 59s): And so the people who think that it's the end all to disease like that, it's like the cause of everything. They just think that it's the reason that we have disease because basically it's affecting our mitochondria. And what's interesting is there is actually a lot of research on it. It's mostly all in cancer patients and some other issues, but it, there, there does seem to be like a benefit to patients with cancer when they go on to Tyrian depletion protocols. So you can drink, deteriorate them, depleted water, and you can change the level of deteriorate in your body. And I actually took tests. 1 (34m 39s): So I took, I tested my own deuterium levels in my body than I did, like a few weeks of deteriorated play to water and like test it again. And they had dropped substantially. So it, again, it's a thing where it's like, I don't know. I actually think it might be super involved in longevity and a potential fountain of youth, but it's hard to know cause you're not really going to be like feeling it's hard. You and I were talking about this right before we started recording it. It's hard to know what's doing what you kind of have to just see. 0 (35m 10s): Yeah, no, I know. I agree. And with some of this stuff, you know, you might not maybe feel the effects for who knows, like it could be years, but you know, I also feel the same way with CGMs a little bit. I like having a CGM on me, but when you're eating, I think if you did get the greatest benefit of a CGM, you have to like single up foods, eat them, see how they affect your blood glucose. Because if you think about most of our meals, at least for myself, I eat them all together as one. And it's like, how do you sort of peel away and see what, which one is a F not that there's necessarily wrong with having a blood glucose spike, right. 0 (35m 54s): As long as you come back to a good baseline. So anyways, that was just a thought of mine. 1 (36m 1s): Yeah, no, that's really interesting. And I, so I guess for me, I, like I was talking about earlier, I tend to oscillate between two very different, but like measurable dietary approaches. So I'm doing either low carb or low fat. So rather than me seeing this one, food affects my blood sugar, I kind of see like, oh, a low carb night. Has this effect compared to a low fat night, has this effect or high carb, 0 (36m 29s): Is it, can you tell it on the CGM? Are you seeing a difference? 1 (36m 35s): Yes, but I, for the majority of the time that I was experimenting with the CGM, I was mostly doing the higher carb approach. I actually want to do it again and do it while I'm doing low carb, but I did, I did see some and yeah, I, I also noticed I, the CGM is actually a reason that I started taking berberine and I definitely saw lowered average blood sugar levels with berberine. Do you take berberine? 0 (37m 5s): I don't take berberine in maybe explain to audience what berberine is and why you started taking it. 1 (37m 13s): Yeah. So I am obsessed with berberine it's 0 (37m 19s): You sell it or no, 1 (37m 21s): I don't. I want to make one soon, which is exciting. I'm trying to figure out the right form and method, but mostly the right form because there's now there's this whole dihydro berberine, which is said to be superior with, for blood sugar regulation, but I'm on the fence about it. But it's the only, I don't want to say only probably is only it rivals Metformin and clinical trials for blood sugar control and diabetes. So it has a really immaculate effect on, or it can on blood sugar levels. So, and it's, it's advertised if people are advertising, it's people take it for blood sugar, but if you actually look at the research, there has so many other effects on like reducing cholesterol and Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 1 (38m 14s): Anti-microbial it has just a wide spectrum of benefits and it's a natural herb, so you're kind of sidestepping the potential issues of pharmaceuticals and their potential side effects. 0 (38m 27s): Okay. So you take it with food when you eat. 1 (38m 29s): I take it. People do take it before meals. I actually just take it in the morning. 0 (38m 33s): Okay. 1 (38m 35s): Yeah. 0 (38m 36s): So that's another bio. 1 (38m 39s): Oh, that's interesting. So yeah, I'm gonna think about that. Cause I was saying supplements earlier, but it's funny. Cause when I think about like herbal supplements, like berberine that's been around for, I mean, I don't even know how long like do I consider that biohacking? I don't know. 0 (38m 55s): Well, it is a supplement and you mentioned supplements, potential supplements. And I would say the majority of people aren't taking it, but I have heard a lot of good things with berberine. So that could be some even like, for example, like apple cider vinegar. Have you ever done anything with that? 1 (39m 11s): I have in the past, like, like a shop before eating and stuff like that. 0 (39m 16s): How did you eat? Did you drink it straight up? Because I think the first time I got apple cider vinegar, I, I didn't know you had to cut it with water. So I just had it straight up and I was like, whoa, this is like, 1 (39m 28s): Yeah, 0 (39m 29s): That was 1 (39m 30s): Reminds me when it's me the first time. Right. Be the first time I did a shot in college and I liked, I was so naive. I like didn't know alcohol. I like to even know what alcohol tastes like. And I just remember it did not go well. 0 (39m 43s): Yeah. So if you want to go down that rabbit hole, I mean, I remember my first, I had one, I've had one cigarette in my whole life and I would think I was a freshman in high school and it was a marble red and I got sick, threw up like dizzy. And I was like, okay, that's not for me. So if you ever want to like not do H or maybe not have your kids do something, just get them sick the first time they do it. And they probably won't do it again. At least for a long time. I've never had a cigarette since, but anyway, 1 (40m 12s): To, to relate to thoughts to that one, I, I got in college. I, I, I tried an apple fast, so you're supposed to just eat apples for three days. And then I ended up doing it for 11 days because I felt so amazing. And then I went to a party. So I like, I wasn't drinking or anything for that. Then I went to a party and I drank what I normally would have drank. But this, after this, after only eating apples for 11 days and that was, I haven't had hard alcohol since then. That was the worst experience. 0 (40m 44s): What about an apple? 1 (40m 47s): Yes, I have had apples and apples, but the second thing was, have you ever experimented with nicotine patches? 0 (40m 56s): You know what I see that this, like, some people do like a nicotine dumb as a way as like, you know, what's his name always talk. Ben Greenfield always talks about this. Lucy, I think is the brand he promotes. Is that sort of the same idea? 1 (41m 11s): Yeah. It's the same idea. I haven't done the gum, but historically I've played around with the patches because they have actually a lot of potential health benefits. So 0 (41m 23s): On its own 1 (41m 26s): Cognitively, well, you get a really nice domain pit, which is not surprising given nicotine's people being addicted to it, but preventative for Parkinson's actually, which is super cool. But what made me think of it was the getting sick. If you, if you put on too big of a patch. 0 (41m 47s): Oh my God. 1 (41m 50s): Yeah. I've, I've done that and it's not good. It's like throwing up in the bathroom. Not good, But I actually am really interested in nicotine. I haven't done them in a while, but I think there's a lot of potential. I know that's really controversial, but benefits there for the, at least for the patches, not for smoking, not advocating smoking. Yeah. 0 (42m 10s): No, not at all. What other, like, I guess from all your interviews and things, what, what's some of the takeaways that you could say that maybe people that are looking for? Let's just say longevity, like I know we're talking about biohacking. Are there anything that sticks out maybe perhaps to help with longevity? 1 (42m 31s): Yeah. So goodness, I've had so many people on the show I've had on. So there's the whole, well fasting, I think fasting is a win. There's the whole debate and I'm haunted by this about low protein diets or not. So I've had on Dr. Valter Longo from USC, and he's a big proponent of like the fasting, mimicking diet and low protein diets for longevity. I am just such a, I like to, I feel like you can get the best of both worlds by fasting during the day and lowering IGF on lowering M Tor and then having my big MTR spiking IGF once waking high protein meal. 1 (43m 14s): And then I get all the benefits of protein, like metabolism, muscle support, I'm warding off muscle breakdown as I age. And I still get the faster period during the day. And it's funny. So I asked Dr. Longo cause I've had him on the show twice and I asked him like, did he think that that was a viable approach? And he basically said that it, it made sense in theory, but we don't have any like long-term research on it. So like kind of why risk it type thing I'm paraphrasing, but that was the vibe, but I just I'm starving on low protein. Like I can't do low protein. 0 (43m 52s): I hear it. I think, I think you're, I mean, personally, I like that approach. I think if you go periods of in like a catabolic state, right. And then, and then you're in periods of a growth state, like antibiotic, I think that is, it seems viable. It seems like a healthy balance as opposed to just going one way or the other. I mean, if you're eating high protein all the time, then there's probably an issue with that. But if you're, if you're, like you said, you're going through a lot of your day facet as am I, and then you have your, you know, a nice high protein meal. Cause like you mentioned, this is a tidy effect and, and just for like muscle growth and you know, bone health and things, you know, things that we need as we get older. 1 (44m 34s): Yeah. And just like, especially if you're eating animal protein, I just feel like there's so much nutrition that you're getting there. And then there's like the protein leverage hypothesis, which is basically that we will eat to meet our protein needs. So we will be hungry until we satisfy our protein needs. So yeah. Yeah. Routine. Yeah. 0 (44m 55s): Protein. Yeah. I agree. I, I mean, I don't count, like you mentioned, I don't count calories. I just eat till I'm satisfied. I think if you're going periods of time of fasting, it's a great way to sort of get in tune with your hunger. True hunger is, or when you're really full, as opposed to, if you're eating a lot throughout the day or eating a lot of refined carbs, you just have no intuitive sense of when you're full. So what would you recommend someone that is looking to perhaps, you know, get into fasting? What would you recommend them do? Or as far as just like turning around their diet? 1 (45m 34s): Yeah, that's the question. So I think it really depends on what your personality type is. And by that, I mean, some people are moderation is some people are good at making. They want to make small changes. They want to like make baby steps and slowly progress towards a goal or a change. Some people are on the flip side extremists. They want to go all in all or none. So I think knowing what you are is like the first step and working within that. So like for me, I'm an extremist for sure. And I don't do good with do well with moderation. So I, every dietary approach I tried, I just jumped in and like went cold Turkey. 1 (46m 17s): I did that with low carb. I did that with fasting. I did that with paleo and that worked really well for me. But if you're the type of person that wants to slowly make changes, I completely support that. And so like with fasting, for example, true, you could, you could pick a window or I normally like to look at it one of two ways. Like you're either you pick a time on the clock, so you're like eating within a certain time or fasting within a certain time, depending on how you want to look at it again, it's a mindset thing. Or you can like go by the meal approach. So like I'm just going to eat lunch or I'm just gonna eat lunch and dinner. I'm just gonna eat dinner. So I like, I think it's really helpful to like pick an approach that you like and then like, then you just, you just do it and, and kind of knowing yourself about knowing how extreme you want to be in the beginning or not. 1 (47m 11s): Like when I first started, the way I did it was I did one meal a day and I wanted to make sure I fasted a minimum amount of hours. So I wasn't counting. I, I personally my co-host and I on the interment fasting podcast, talk about this a lot because some people focus on the fasting hours. So like they want to count the fasting hours, but they don't want to put limits or count the eating hours. And that's the way I am. Some people just want to like limit and count the eating hours and then not really count the fast. So I find that really interesting too. I don't ever want to have like a in time, like once I start eating at night, I don't, I don't wanna like count hours. I don't want to be like, oh, I have to stop eating at this certain time. I just like the freedom. 0 (47m 51s): Yeah. You know, I, and your discipline to do that. I mean, I, I like having a cutoff time. I, and I, yeah. I just think 1 (48m 1s): So stressed. I feel like I have to like finish by this time, 0 (48m 5s): You know, it's like when you, when you do it consistently day in, day out, you just it's like we're creatures of habit. You just get used to it. Like, for me, I don't like stress over. Like if I, if I'm eating a little bit later, I'm not like, oh my God. But I do think having a hard cutoff for most people is that can be beneficial because a lot of bad things and a lot of bad snack and can happen after a certain time. And I just think like for me, it's usually six 30 at the latest, probably 7:00 PM. And then I'm done because I just feel like if I didn't have that cutoff, I would just find ways to go back and into the kitchen and eat something. But when I have that cutoff, like I just know like, and I'm not like rushing the finish, but you know, it's in the back of your mind. 0 (48m 51s): And then just on that note, I was invited to play poker this past Friday. And you know, now people are getting together and doing things, which is nice. And, you know, I ate before I went, I don't know how you deal with temptations or, you know, but like I liked, I, you know, we didn't start playing until seven o'clock. So I ate, I was done, went to the poker game and they're just starting eating. It's like, you know, so, and they're just like ordered, I think they order pizza and like these meatballs subs and, you know, I was, I mean, you know, maybe cause I've been doing it for a while and I'm not, you know, the temp. I had no temptations at all to do that. I already ate, I was done. I had like a sparkling water in front of me. 0 (49m 33s): And that was my, that was my night. So I don't know. I think if you plan like that and when you get tempted by like a poker night or a night out, I'm not saying that you can't splurge every once in a while, but I think that the less you sort of give into that, it just becomes easier and easier. 1 (49m 52s): Yeah. I, I definitely agree. And I guess, so I guess my cutoff is that I go to bed, so then it's like, I have to be cut off. Oh 0 (50m 1s): Yeah. So you'd like to eat right up to bed, which it's not, you know, that works for you. I don't like, you know, that works for you and you know, 1 (50m 12s): Yeah. I, I'm not, again, I'm not like advocating it. I wish I, cause they all say, they say like you're supposed to stop eating, you know, a certain amount of time before bed. But I, I can't go to bed on an empty stomach. I sleep so much better. I've just eaten. So when I go out to things like you were talking about, yeah. We're, we're similar in that we aren't tempted. It's just, I eat AF I usually still eat after, unless it's like a dinner that I'm going to. 0 (50m 43s): Yeah. I mean, and you, you, you deal fine with eating later and it works for you. So why, you know, why change it? And it helps you if it helps you or sleep probably to get a little bit of backload those carbs a little bit. Right. And it's not like in your eating over a longer, so you're not like stuffing your face, you know, you're eating over like, what'd you say like a six hour window. 1 (51m 0s): It's probably like five or six, 0 (51m 2s): Five or six hours. So you know, which I think is important too. I think, you know, if you have an hour window and you're just like stuffing it in within an hour, that's, that's not healthy either. You want to chew your food and take your time. 1 (51m 13s): Yeah. So I have a very long drawn out why I have my whole wind down routine because I am like a self-identified and insomniac, but I have all of my like bio hacks and things that I do in routines. And I, I'm proud to say that. I, my ordering says I sleep, sleep pretty well now. So as long as I do all the things 0 (51m 33s): And, and do you drink a wine almost every night? 1 (51m 38s): Yeah, not a lot. And I actually reasonable sort of recently 2020, I think I did it. I went a whole year and didn't drink or have caffeine. I wanted to see what it was like to like have nothing. And it's funny. Yeah, it was 2020 because my new year's resolution for 20, 21 most people's it's to start drinking art, stopped drinking for me, it was to start drinking because I'd gone a year and I was like, I didn't have a drinking problem before or anything like that. But I, I went a year and I was like, oh, like, what if I like, like, I don't want to like, bring back like a toxin or something. 1 (52m 19s): Like, I was like scared to like drink again. But I realized I I'm much happier with my wine every night. So I'm not, I'm not doing that again. 0 (52m 29s): And I know you're drinking. Like I'm 1 (52m 32s): Taxing. 0 (52m 33s): Yeah. Dry farms talk. Yeah. Organic, you know, 1 (52m 37s): Most of your low alcohol, it makes a big difference. Now when I go out, if, on the rare occasion that I, so when I go out, cause I get, I get this question a lot about what wine to drink, especially if you're not drinking dry farm wines, which is a company that goes all throughout Europe and they find wineries that are organic and they test the wines to make sure they're free of additives and alcohol and mold and pesticides and all the things. So when I'm at restaurants, Google, like if you're looking at the wine list, Google right. Type in the, the producer and then the wine and then the word organic and usually the first search, like the first few hits will tell you if it's organic or not. 1 (53m 20s): Because people don't realize there's so many wines that are practicing organic practices, but they're not like labeled organic. So when I'm at a restaurant, I always feel bad if I'm like on a date or something with somebody new, I'm like, I'm so sorry. I have to let go through every white. We find the one that's organic. Cause there usually are some. 0 (53m 39s): Oh, interesting. Yeah. Yeah. That definitely, that definitely makes a difference. I'm sure you, can you tell a difference if you have just like a normal, 1 (53m 48s): Big difference, like sweep, reaction, everything. So 0 (53m 55s): Good to know. I'm not a wine drinker. My wife is. So I always, we do get some dry farm wines from time to time. And I just give her a hard time when she's tricking the other ones. Cause, 1 (54m 5s): And especially if you drink it, cause they're, they're drier and they're lighter if you go and drink like conventional wine. So like the majority of wine in the us is all owned by like one of there's only like a few head companies that own the majority of the wineries, which is crazy or like it's all under like the big, the big brands, but they can actually add in like colorizer colors. Like it's so it's really frustrating. Cause if you look at the back of a wine label, there's not an ingredient list. So you assume it's just grapes, but it's not, it's all these other things 0 (54m 43s): They should, they should make that like a thing. They should be radiant list lines. Right? 1 (54m 48s): UFC. So like in conventional things, you would see things like if you ever drink a wine and it makes your teeth like actually purple, which happens sometimes with cheap wines it's because it has something in it called mega purple, which is eight die Too. That's concerning. And there, yeah, a lot of other additives as well. So it should be, we should, we should let, like, what's the word lobby for better regulation? 0 (55m 16s): What just a few more questions and we'll, I feel like we're just talking. We can go on forever, but what would you be? This is a, this is a question I ask all my guests. I'm going to ask you 1 (55m 29s): Mean, you're 0 (55m 30s): Going to give one tip to an individual. Who's looking to get their body back to what it once was like 10, 15 years ago. What one tip would you give that individual? 1 (55m 46s): So many 0 (55m 47s): Times it's tough to pick one. 1 (55m 48s): Okay. I think I would say, okay, this is one tip, but it's, it's going to require like an explanation. So it's not like one sentence basically. It's that there is a lot of magic. I think that can happen if you, this is like a longer tip. So, so people will think they're doing low carb or they'll think they're doing a little fat, but they're often not. So I think there's a lot of benefits that can happen. 1 (56m 34s): Body composition wise, if you eat moderate to high protein and you actually do low carb or you actually do low fat. And so by like low fat, I mean like 10% or less like not adding fats or for low carb, you know, 10% or less, not going a little bit over that. And if you, this is a longer tip, I make it a longer tip. And if you combine that with some sort of fasting window and whole foods only, I think most people can not have to count calories, eat as much as they want, as long as they exist within that paradigm. And it's cool. Cause you can, you can try both, just not at the same time. So like you can try the look that you can try the low carb, but I'm all about like, I love just like eating as much as I want. 1 (57m 20s): And I find that if I exist within one of those, I actually want to write a book about this because there's so many books about low carb or keto or there's books about low fat and vegan. Like I want to write a book about why they actually both work, right. If you actually do them correctly. 0 (57m 36s): Right. And, and to do them correctly is to do them separately and to prioritize protein 1 (57m 41s): And make sure they're actually low. Like, so actually 10% or less, because what's really annoying is there's so many studies on like low fat or low carb, but it'll be like 30% fat or 30% carbs. And like, I actually don't think that applies like, like I don't think you can do a study on some of these macronutrients setups and draw conclusions about low carb or low fat, because I don't consider them low carb or low fat, but they'll say that they are. So because once you have like a certain amount, like I think you need to be at that really low state to get the metabolic effects, which I could go into more. 1 (58m 25s): But yeah. That's so that's like a long, 0 (58m 27s): I, I know I do. I like that tip. I think it, I think you can try both right where your moderate to high protein and low carb on moderate to high protein and low fat and sort of see what works best for you. You know, how your how's your satiety, you know, your body composition, your, you know, your mood, things like that. And, and, and pick one or the other and see how it works. And yeah, I mean, I like that as a tip. Is that sound about right? 1 (58m 55s): Can I give a second hack? Can I give us, can I give a hack for people who are doing low-carb and the 0 (59m 1s): Bonus 1 (59m 2s): Bonus hack. This is for the people who do low carb, higher fat, or moderate or high fat. And they still want to do that, but they like want to make it work better. If you do low carb, high fat, and you make all of the fats that you're adding C H M C T I, you might see radical changes. So like no other, not other fats. So like not, not so like basically eating lean, so like lean meats and a keto diet, but add as much MCT CA as you want. 0 (59m 43s): Okay. 1 (59m 44s): It's crazy. And I discovered this because I was actually, it was when I was trying to gain weight. And so I was really researching CA MCT oil. 0 (59m 55s): Is that the Bulletproof one? He makes a C 1 (59m 58s): Yeah. So, so MCT there's different types there. CAC 10 are the two main ones and most MCT oils are CHC 10 blend. So C8 is goodness. I should know. This one is caprylic and one is capric. I think Kapellic is C eight, I think. And C 10 should be Catholic, I think, do not quote me on that. I'll be, 0 (1h 0m 23s): You're saying the MCT with the CA 1 (1h 0m 26s): With a CA. So that's the, that fat basically I've done so much research on this. It doesn't really become fat. Like it, it goes straight to the liver and it's processed for energy and it has a massive thermogenic thermogenic effect on your body. So basically even if you overdose on it, you just keep really hot and 0 (1h 0m 50s): acid. 1 (1h 0m 53s): Okay. That's right. Okay. 0 (1h 0m 57s): Thank 1 (1h 0m 57s): You. Thank you. Thank you. So 0 (1h 0m 60s): There's certain MCTC. 1 (1h 1m 3s): I, yeah, so I think it's really important to get in a glass bottle. So there's one brand on Amazon. Is it kiss, kiss? My there's two brands that come in a glass bottle. One is kiss my keto. And one is 0 (1h 1m 20s): I typed that in just to see if I could find it yeah. In a glass bottle. And 1 (1h 1m 25s): Then I think clean, clean MCT might be the other one 0 (1h 1m 28s): Natural force. There's a natural force, natural force, organic pure C8, MCT oil, liquid MCT oil in a class. 1 (1h 1m 35s): So I liked the organic one though. I can actually see 0 (1h 1m 38s): What is organic, Natural, natural forest. 1 (1h 1m 42s): I have not used that brand. 0 (1h 1m 44s): So what do you put that you, can you do anything with that? I mean, I've tried it in caught you put it in coffee and 1 (1h 1m 49s): Well, I I'm. So with your food, not in coffee, so well you could, but I'm actually not a huge fan of the Bulletproof fascinating approach. So, so basically say, say, you're eating a keto diet and you're doing low carb. And so you're eating fatty meat and all this stuff switched to lean meats and add, add, use this as your fat. So, and it has a really big umami boosting effect. So like, if you add it to your food, it kind of enhances the flavor of whatever you're eating. Okay. 0 (1h 2m 20s): You can't, but you can't really taste it though. Right? It's just a neutral. 1 (1h 2m 23s): I think it tastes, oh, good. You can't taste it by itself. But when you put it in the food, it makes it taste. 0 (1h 2m 28s): Are you just drizzling it on? Is that what you're doing? You just drizzle it onto your food, whatever it is, steak vegetables, 1 (1h 2m 35s): But when I was eating it, so when I was doing this experiment and I know it's not just me, because I was doing this and talking about it, and then this other, this girl on Instagram sort of started not a whole movement, but she started doing this and talking about it about how, how it was a thing. And then other people were drying it. I was literally eating. I was adding to my diet, probably like 1500 calories of this. Cause I was adding a lot. And I like adding that to what I've been eating. And I lost more weight doing that because you just get, 0 (1h 3m 9s): Let's increase the tidy to right. 1 (1h 3m 14s): And I'm really just really wraps up your metabolism. So Yeah, I think that's, that can be a huge thing. 0 (1h 3m 23s): And you're drizzling it on after you cook it the food or 1 (1h 3m 27s): Yes. Yeah. I was actually like Annie. Yeah. To my cooks food. 0 (1h 3m 33s): I'll have to check 1 (1h 3m 34s): That out. Kind of like a dipping sauce. 0 (1h 3m 36s): Really. Wow. Okay. There you go. Well, Melanie, this was great. If people want to learn more about you, where should they go? 1 (1h 3m 48s): Yes. Well, first of all, thank you for having me and thank you for entertaining. My crazy rabbit-hole tangents. Like I'll just talk about all the things forever. So they, my main website is Melanie avalon.com. I'm on Instagram at Melanie Avalon. The two shows are the intermittent fasting podcast and the Melanie Avalon biohacking podcast. I have an iTunes app. If you have food sensitivities called food since guide. And I have a new supplement line that I'm so excited about, and that is Avalon x.us. And the first supplement I made actually to answer your longevity question, I think this one is huge. It's Sarah Peck taste. It's my favorite supplement ever. 1 (1h 4m 28s): So yeah, that's all the things. 0 (1h 4m 31s): Okay. Sarah pep taste. Maybe. Why don't you give us a quick intro to that? What is that? 1 (1h 4m 36s): Yeah, it's a proteolytic enzyme created by the Japanese silkworm when you taste, although we make it in a lab now, so it's vegan. When you take it in a fasted state, it goes into your bloodstream. It breaks down non-living and potentially problematic proteins in your body. So it really helps anything where your body is reacting to proteins. So I started taking it because for seasonal allergies, it will clear your sinuses, like just clear brain fog. And I stayed on it for all the other health benefits. So reduced inflammation. There are a lot of studies on it that it can reduce cholesterol, enhance wound healing, help with pain, even break down plaque, both in vitro and in vivo, which is crazy. 1 (1h 5m 21s): So it's just, it's like kind of, kind of like how fasting can help your body just on so many levels do so many things like with cellular cleanup and just functioning better. It kind of does that. It's it's amazing. I love it. 0 (1h 5m 35s): Wow. Yeah. So you started using it and you're like, I gotta come out with this myself. 1 (1h 5m 40s): Yeah. I started taking it like five or six years ago and I always knew if I were ever to start a supplement line, which I wanted to do, because I mean, we were talking earlier about sketchiness with wine. That supplement industry is so sketchy. So I knew I wanted to make my own brand at some point, so I could make my cause I want to feel good about what I'm putting my body. So the, the best way to do that would be me make it myself. So I it's so hard to find supplements without fillers or with transparency on ingredients and sourcing and lab testing. And so I'm so I'm so grateful that my partner has been so amazing because my supplement business partner, because I've been so neurotic with like 0 (1h 6m 27s): Everything. 1 (1h 6m 27s): Yeah. 0 (1h 6m 28s): Is it I'm just looking right now. Is it available yet or not yet? It's pre-order oh, 1 (1h 6m 33s): No, it's available. So is it saying pre-order Avalon x.us. 0 (1h 6m 38s): Oh, okay. Okay. I was looking on Melia when I go back home, it says it's 1 (1h 6m 42s): Oh, I should change that. Thank you. Thank you. 0 (1h 6m 46s): It says pre-order but now I see it now. Avalon x.us. Okay. There it is. Yeah. 1 (1h 6m 51s): And we're actually launching our next supplement very soon. I'm so excited. We're making a magnesium, a full spec. 0 (1h 6m 59s): I remember you saying that, listening to you. Okay. 1 (1h 7m 1s): Yeah. 0 (1h 7m 3s): Wow. Lots of great stuff, Melanie. Well, this was very enjoyable and I appreciate you coming on. 1 (1h 7m 9s): Yeah. Thank you so much for having me, Brian. I'm super grateful. I super appreciate it. It is an honor. And congrats on all that you're doing with the show. It's helping so many people. So thank you. 0 (1h 7m 20s): Thank you. Thanks for listening to the get lean eat clean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine. And I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned in this episode, feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member. That's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again, and have a great day.

Melanie Avalon

This week I interviewed author, entrepreneur and podcast host, Melanie Avalon! @Melanie Avalon We discussed what she learned from trying every different eating style, her favorite biohacks for longevity, the importance of choosing organic wine over conventional, why you should prioritize protein in your diet, the health benefits of deuterium depleted water, and her one tip to get your body back to what it once was! Enjoy the show!

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