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Interview with Garrett Smith: Problems with Vitamin D, Vitamin A Toxicity and Cleanse the Liver!

July 1, 2024 in Podcast


This week I interviewed Naturopathic Medical Doctor, Garrett Smith!

Garrett believes that chronic Vitamin A Toxicity & Liver Disease may be at the root of civilization's rapidly rising autoimmune and chronic disease rates.

In this episode we discuss:

  • what is wrong with Vitamin D supplementation
  • why you should be aware of Vitamin A toxicity
  • foods to avoid if you have Vitamin A toxicity
  • problems with polyphenols
  • Dr. Smith's favorite supplements
and much much more!

Brian (0s):

Coming up on the GET, LEAN, Eat, Clean, Podcast.

Garrett (4s):

Whether or not vitamin D is the actual method or medium, that that is healthy about the sun is what I'm doubting. Okay? Because we, we all know, I mean sun is, light is good for us, we need light. Whether or not it's the vitamin D, the oxidized cholesterol, that is what is good for us is questionable in my mind. So what vitamin D does in the system is it greatly increases the calcium in the tissues, not the blood necessarily, but in the tissues. And it greatly decreases the potassium. I can show, I can show research on both of these things. When we have a hair test and people are taking vitamin D, their hair calcium goes way up and their hair potassium goes way down.

Garrett (46s):

Now what we talk about in hair analysis is that a high calcium, sorry calcium was over here. High calcium to low potassium ratio is indicative of a low thyroid or hypothyroid state, which none of us in the US know anything about hypothyroidism, right? So there's tons of it all around

Brian (1m 6s):

Hello. and welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. I'm Brian Gryn and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week I'll give you an in depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long term sustainable results. This week I interviewed Naturopathic Medical Doctor Garrett Smith. He believes that chronic Vitamin, A Toxicity, and Liver Disease may be at the root of civilization rapidly rising autoimmune and chronic disease rates. In this episode, we discussed what is wrong with Vitamin D supplementation, why you should be aware of Vitamin A toxicity foods to avoid if you have Vitamin A toxicity problems with polyphenols and Dr.

Brian (1m 52s):

Smith's favorite supplements and much, much more. Really enjoyed my Interview with Garrett Smith. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Alright, Welcome to the Get Lean Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn. And I'm Dr. Garrett Smith on welcome to the show.

Garrett (2m 10s):

Thank you for having me and glad to be here.

Brian (2m 12s):

Thanks for coming on. And I've been looking through your website, some of your materials, really interesting stuff. I mean, I have a lot of guests on this show and I don't think I, we've talked much about like vitamin A toxicity and things like that, so I'm excited to to dive in with you today.

Garrett (2m 30s):

Absolutely. It'll be, it's always fun to wake up people to this interesting topic.

Brian (2m 35s):

And, what sort of brought you down this road of, sometimes it's a personal story, maybe not that Got you. So into, you know, learning about, you know, detox and, and toxic bio theory and things like that.

Garrett (2m 49s):

Yeah, yeah. So I, well I was, I got into fitness at an early age. Fitness led to nutrition. Nutrition led to me finding about naturopathic medical school. And then I got into that and I, I had health issues from an early age, you know, I, I had what's called tenia versa color, which is a skin, little skin fungus, no big deal. But then over the years I ended up getting psoriasis. I was, my, my father was, my father passed away from prostate cancer in his late sixties and I was developing prostate issues in my mid twenties and I also had some really bad problems with insomnia and some other stuff like that.

Garrett (3m 29s):

And I got into, so I've always been trying to fix myself that I always, I always kind of decided like I, I was doing these things like fitness and health for myself. A lot of people don't admit that, but I mean, I was doing it for myself. It's kinda like why a lot of people get into psychology is to try to fix their brain, right? So I was getting into this 'cause I wanted to fix myself, and then I just figured I was, I was actually good at, I was a personal trainer and then I went into medicine and I was good at spreading what I, sharing what I learned with other people. And so as I went down this road, I got, I found out about, well there was, there's the long story of where I was in practice and then I started learning hair analysis and then I started figuring out from that that vitamin D supplements were bad and I had to get all my clients off of that.

Garrett (4m 17s):

And then I go along and then I find out, I read grant re's work. If people wanna go read the free eBooks he has there, it's G ue, so it's G-G-E-N-E-R-E-U-X blog. He has a whole website there. He is got three free eBooks. That's where I started reading that. I read half of his first book. I sat back in my chair and I went, everything I do has to change because I was giving people vitamin A I was having them eat liver pills. I was having them eat sweet potatoes and spinach and all this stuff. And, and I had noticed that I, I was getting people better with what I was doing, but there was stuff that was creeping up on them in the long term. So, so that was kind of the wake up to, to vitamin a toxicity.

Garrett (5m 0s):

And then over time, I, I figured I, I learned about Anthony Mosson and he wrote about basically the beginnings of toxic bile theory, cholestasis, the toxins that we store in our liver, which we try to get rid of in the bile, but if that bile leaks into the blood, then we're basically self poisoning ourselves with the most toxic stuff in our body. And this is what I believe is the root of all chronic disease. And we're ki I kind of show that each, each week in the live streams. So that's kind of how it all came about. It was, it was a selfish interest of mine to fix my own health with the added benefit of, I was good at sharing it with people and making it make sense to people. So yeah.

Brian (5m 41s):

When did you start to realize this and start to sort of change your thinking around health?

Garrett (5m 47s):

Well, the, I mean, the biggest shift in terms of the, the biggest shift was the vitamin A toxicity when I learned about that. And so that was six years ago. So I've been working on this stuff now for six years on myself. Well it's, it's almost six years, or September will be six years. But Grant's been doing it for 10 years about now. And I've always been kind of a contrarian. I I was kind of a, you know, in, in the naturopathic field, I would definitely be, I'm kind of a black sheep for everywhere because I question everything. I don't, just, like, one guy was mentioning to me, he's like, I heard blueberries are good for detox. And I said, show me any evidence of that anywhere at all show other than people on the internet saying it's good for detox.

Garrett (6m 30s):

And he was kind of like, and I went, okay, So, we just want find at least something evidence we wanna find either proof in people like anecdotes, case studies, or we need to find something in the literature that that actually says it to be true. So I kind of do that, but I, I will call BS on everything. Like I said, I was giving people vitamin DI was, I was into the vitamin D supplement thing back in 2013, like way before everybody was thinking about it. I was doing finger prick tests in my office. I was putting everybody on it. And then finally I realized it was not good for people. So I, one of the things I guess that's different about me is I will, I will change course. I will say, oh, I made a mistake.

Garrett (7m 13s):

I'm going to tell everyone that I'm not doing that anymore. I made a mistake and we need to fix this. Now. A lot of people to save face won't do that. And so, so that's just it, you know, six years it's been going and toxic bio theory came along in those six years. And, now we've just got, we got a whole little, little army of people out there, especially on Twitter who are getting better from all sorts of things that they never thought they would. And, and since we're here talking about, you know, the Get Lean, Eat Clean kind of stuff, we have guys in there, you know, me and Weldon Weldon's, I think the same age as I am, 48. And other guys, you know, one guy posted about running under a seven minute mile the other day, Weldon's 48, his testosterone was either 900 or a thousand, mine was 900.

Garrett (8m 2s):

And none of us are on TRT. And we're like, people will say, after seeing my podcast from five, six years ago, or my videos on YouTube, they, they, they'll say, I'm aging backwards. And so we're just seeing these really cool things that are happening, which don't normally happen. And yeah, I'm in the best shape of my life at 48 and I, it, it boggles my mind sometimes. It's really kind of cool. So But, it takes time. It, this is, as we say, it's a marathon, not a sprint. If people want to get into this, it's not a weekend detox, it's not a week long cleanse. This is, this is like a lifestyle that to really start to know, I mean, can you benefit from it right away?

Garrett (8m 44s):

Sure. But also we're talk, I call it, it's a marathon, not a sprint. We're talking about years of work here to really get all the big things that you want to get going, going typically. So yeah, let's

Brian (8m 59s):

Go back on the vitamin D train here. You mentioned it and like, you know, I I, we live, I live in the mid Midwest typically, you know, you, you go get, yeah, I just got a both full blood blood panel. Well not just But, it's been like four months And, you know, vitamin D was, oh, not bad, but maybe slightly low. Like what, what's, what's the issue with supplementing with a quality vitamin D? Maybe that's an olive oil or whatever that you're seeing or that sort of

Garrett (9m 30s):

Well, I don't, I don't really care about what it comes in. 'cause that those are, those are kind of like minor things that people will try to sell us on. Like the, the, the quality of all the other stuff around it. It is what vitamin D is that it's very rude. Is it an oxidized form of cholesterol? That's, that's what it's like when you learn about it. It's a cholesterol that goes up to the skin. The sun oxidizes it, which many, in many ways we think of oxidizing things as damaging them. Like when we think of oxidized paint or oxidized signs on the street and oxidized iron is rust, you know, stuff like this. So when we first, I just, I question all of the science about vitamin D. What I do believe, what I believe is that humans need light to be healthy.

Garrett (10m 13s):

That's why we're hairless. We're supposed to get light on our skin. Now, just because we can live in places that don't have a lot of sun doesn't necessarily mean that's good for us or that that's what we're designed for. So like, just because you can doesn't mean you should. So then we get into the, the, the reality is if you go and you look up D dash con, so dcon is a rat poison mice mouse and rat poison and, and Terra D three T-E-R-A-D three, those are both rodenticides. So So, they use those to kill mice and rats. It also will kill cats and dogs if they get into them. And it will could potentially kill people.

Garrett (10m 55s):

Vitamin D supplements have killed people for milk that has been fortified incorrectly with too much vitamin D has killed people. We have the very fact that vitamin D was studied as a potential genocidal agent in South Africa during the apartheid day So, they were, look, they were looking into using enough vitamin D to kill people that they didn't want around anymore. There's, there's a lot, oh there was, there was a history of, I think it was back in the forties or fifties with fortification of things like dairy where infants and bait and young children, infants were dying from the fortification that they put in there.

Garrett (11m 38s):

And they tried to blame it on a genetic problem, but they're still fortifying. They brought, they brought the fortification back And. now they're not, they're not saying anything about this genetic thing and nobody's testing for it. So they're just giving everybody this vitamin D. So what vitamin D does in the system, so what I'm saying is we need light whether or not vitamin D is the actual method or medium that that is healthy about the sun is what I'm doubting. Okay? Because we, we all know, I mean sun is, light is good for us, we need light. Whether or not it's the vitamin D, the oxidized cholesterol that is what is good for us is questionable in my mind.

Garrett (12m 22s):

So what vitamin D does in the system is it greatly increases the calcium in the tissues, not the blood necessarily, but in the tissues. And it greatly decreases the potassium. I can show, I can show research on both of these things. When we have a hair test and people are taking vitamin D, their hair calcium goes way up and their hair potassium goes way down. Now what we talk about in hair analysis is that a high calcium, sorry calcium was over here. High calcium to low potassium ratio is indicative of a low thyroid or hypothyroid state, which none of us in the US know anything about hypothyroidism, right? So there's tons of it all around. So high calcium, low potassium is, is low energy, brain fog, all this stuff.

Garrett (13m 4s):

And we've got people taking this and high calcium is around and like heart attacks and strokes and all the, and diabetes will find all these things connected to all the major diseases of today. So a very interesting thing is that one of the things that sun does, that light does UV light. So people will say it makes vitamin D But it also, it also detoxes or breaks down vitamin A in the skin. So could that, and people will say, well vitamin D and vitamin A are antagonistic. So one of the things I'm talking about a lot is that there is a vitamin A toxicity epidemic worldwide.

Garrett (13m 47s):

And I've shown in a, in a Twitter thread that liver biopsy studies are showing, you know, anywhere from 10 to 50% of people are vitamin A toxic in their liver based on liver biopsy studies. Not the blood tests. The blood tests are not very useful. So, we have this epidemic that they, they can't test for because it only shows up really in the liver. People could have low vitamin A in their blood and be loaded on it in the liver. I've got case studies of it, I've, it's out there. So is it that the sun making vitamin D is the important thing or is it that the sun breaking down vitamin A in the skin is the important thing and then they say they're antagonistic.

Garrett (14m 31s):

So it makes sense as you get more vitamin D actually sun your vitamin A would go down. Don't try to do this with supplements. I had a guy, he came to me, he was like I'm vitamin A toxic, I heard that vitamin D was an antagonist to vitamin A. I said, oh no, don't, don't do that. Don't go take vitamin D trying to fix your vitamin A toxicity. You're just gonna get toxic in both. He decided to go take vitamin D supplements to fix his vitamin A toxicity. And then he got back to me and he said, I now have symptoms of vitamin D toxicity and vitamin A toxicity. And I said, that's exactly what I told you not to do. I don't know how to fix it now other than you stop taking the vitamin D and you fix your vitamin A toxicity and it's gonna take a while 'cause you just poison yourself.

Garrett (15m 13s):

So these fat soluble fat storable as I call them, alcohols vitamin D as an alcohol vitamin A retinol is an alcohol they turn into aldehydes. Aldehydes are known to be toxic. I have a, I have strong feelings about these probably not being essential or vital to people at all. Now back to the vitamin D thing. So if you live in an area with low sun, I mean I have a huge, I have a mega threat on Twitter all about vitamin D. If you live in an area of low sun, you need to figure out some light source. Not not, we don't, we don't talk about taking rat poison Vitamin D three in non sunny areas.

Garrett (15m 53s):

We talk about you could buy a spurty sunlamp, you could go to a tanning bed. You, you gotta remember all the bad research on tanning beds and sun lamps and all this stuff was done by the sunscreen companies, particularly L'Oreal So. they have an interest in you not getting enough sun. And then I also want you to know that when in the winter times or when it's dreary out, that light tanning beds have been shown to help with mood. So just think of how much damage it would do to the pharmaceutical industry if people just went to a tanning bed once a week and they didn't need to feel like they had to take drugs during the dark months to feel happier. What What about red light? Red light doesn't, doesn't put out uv, right?

Garrett (16m 36s):

So, so like sad lamps, the seasonal affective disorder lamps, those actually are required to not put out uv. Red light is red light's great. I've been working with red light like I was, I was doing red light therapy, laser, laser therapy and red light therapy on people back in 2007. So I'm kind of an early adopter. Like I'm, I'm on top of these and and actually when you, when you learn about red light, red light actually speeds up one of the detox enzymes, aldehyde dehydrogenase that helped break down vitamin A. So could it help, can can red light help lots of things. Yes, it does help break down vitamin A and that's how it helps lots of things, but it's, it needs to be ultraviolet, either ultraviolet B or ultraviolet A, both of them.

Garrett (17m 19s):

Ultraviolet B makes more vitamin D as they say ultraviolet A UVA helps break down vitamin A more almost all tanning beds, sun tanning lamps. They're a mixture of the two. So some of 'em are more of one in the other and that's just, that's just fine. So, but yeah, getting sun, I tell people worry about what time of day to go out in the sun. I just say go out in the sun. Like I don't care if it's morning hours or evening hours, just get out, get some light. That's the key thing. And oh, and then the other thing that has been shown in the vitamin D research is that a lack of zinc, these are very important things. A lack of zinc will lower your vitamin D levels and getting more zinc will raise your vitamin D levels.

Garrett (18m 3s):

So what is that zinc doing? That's the question. What is vitamin D? If light, you need light to make it, why is zinc raising it and lowering it? And magnesium does the same thing. So you need magnesium to have good vitamin D levels and then you need enough protein. I've actually did a whole big Twitter thread on how rickets in the, in the literature I can connect it to basically being a meat deficiency disease. They, there has to be enough protein to prevent rickets, there has to be enough zinc to prevent rickets, another vitamin D thing. And then there has to be, what was the other one in there? I forget. But. it was definitely protein and zinc.

Garrett (18m 44s):

A lot. A lot of our diseases that we think of today are protein deficiency diseases and zinc deficiency diseases. And I mean I think 50% of the soils in China were found to be zinc deficient. Like there's no way you can get zinc if it's not in the soil. 'cause if it's not in the soil, it's not in your animals that you eat. And if it's not in the soil, it's not in the plants that you eat. So if the soil's not taken care of, we're not taken care of and then we're just left at the mercy of either being deficient or figuring out foods or more probably supplements to get those levels up. Like zinc is a huge thing that I do, especially with, with men. Zinc and selenium are critical to testosterone production. So those are, those are big things that I work on a lot that they're not in the soil anymore.

Garrett (19m 28s):

Have you, have you studied any of like Dr. Ray Pete's it, some people out there would consi? I did. I did a Ray Pete oriented approach on my own. I believe I was doing that for several months when I finally got full on Ray Pete and I was drinking lots of goat milk and goat dairy to try to do that. I got such bad sinus headaches within two weeks I quit. I am kind of the anti Pete out there. We have lots of ex Ray Pete diet followers in our group who have really kind of bad stories about it. Everybody was like, I got fatter, I got tired.

Garrett (20m 10s):

I got one guy. One guy had a list of problems that he got while he was on the repeat diet. It's not, sugar is not going to save anyone. I don't, I don't care what anybody, I mean unless you're undereating, if somebody's malnourished, sugar will do amazing things. This is like people bring up western prices work and I'm like, how do you know those kids in America were just not starving and they just started giving them a bunch of fatty foods and they got calories and they got better. Like people have no idea what malnourishment does. But then you give them calories and all of a sudden they're, wow, everything got better. And you go, well you just gave them energy. That's all they needed. It wasn't these magical, fat soluble vitamins. It wasn't the, it wasn't the sugar itself, it was the calories.

Garrett (20m 54s):

Like you have to have enough energy to run the machine. We actually don't need that many nutrients like minerals. We don't need 72 plus trace minerals like that are in drops and all these trace mineral drops and all this stuff. I mean, 'cause that means all those minerals when they say it has all the minerals and it means it has all the bad minerals in it. I mean you're ingesting mercury and lead and cadmium and all these things for them to say that there are that many minerals in it. When you start counting down the periodic table and go through the first, even just the first 72 minerals, some of those are radioactive, some of them are known toxic metals. Are you talking

Brian (21m 31s):

About, are you talking about like mineral drops?

Garrett (21m 33s):

Like Yeah, when they talk about trace or, or people who get unrefined sea salt. Unrefined sea salt. I mean why is, why is pink salt pink? 'cause it's got I it's got rust in it. That's why it's pink. You're eating rust. We, we've been duped in so many ways, but yeah, so like, like unrefined sea salts when they say it's got 72 minerals in it or 84 minerals or Sheila legit and it's got 84 minerals in it.

Brian (21m 57s):

Yeah, I mean, you know, I've been, I've had quite a, maybe a handful of Ray Pete guests on Jay Feldman, Georgie Dink off.

Garrett (22m 10s):

They're almost always young guys.

Brian (22m 12s):

Well, Georgie's not young. Yeah, he's yeah, Danny Roddy.

Garrett (22m 18s):

Yep. Yep. They hate me. They really don't like me. What

Brian (22m 23s):

Do you, you know, 'cause a lot of, they, them, you know, they talk about like sort of this pro metabolic approach and I, I don't see it like, just from my perspective, like, you know, just talking with Jay a bunch, like I don't feel like they're like, first of all, I don't think there's necessarily a rapey diet. I mean I think there's theories around like what he thought certain foods can do to you or help per, per se. But I think people have come up with a rape he diet on their own. But I I, you know what, like you talk about like glucose, oxidate, oxidation, And, you know, not needing to eliminate all carbs. Yeah. you know, I think there's some, there's some merit behind that, you know?

Brian (23m 5s):

'cause you see people go one way when they just restrict everything and they're not really thriving. So

Garrett (23m 12s):

Well the, the big thing, the the idea with the, the pro metabolic approach idea, the idea here would be to say that, I mean this, this is the concept that I, that I glean from it. They think that if you just run the body hotter, if you run it harder and hotter, it will somehow fix all of your problems. I mean that's, that's the idea, right? They're, they're sitting there going, we wanna raise the body temperature. They're, you know, obsessive about measuring body temperature a lot of times and they're just like, you just raise your body temperature. Now it's true that chemical reactions do not happen. They happen faster at higher temperatures. This is, this is known, this is chemistry, but like if you have a car, I love to use car analogies and the, and the idle is too low, right?

Garrett (24m 0s):

The car's idle is supposed to be at a certain level, car's idle is too low. Well you can just push on the gas pedal to make it run faster. You can put white sugar in the system and make the system run faster. People actually, I mean people then people love sugar and they love to get excuses to eat more sugar. So Ray Pete diet people come along and they're like, put sugar in your milk, eat ice cream, eat. Oh my God. It's just, well,

Brian (24m 31s):

Yeah, I, I think, yeah, I just from that like I, I think just it's gotten like anything else, people get extreme on things. Like I think if you talk to, like for example, Jay, he'd be like, you have to be smart about this stuff. It's not just about like loading white sugar onto everything and suddenly, you know, your metabolic rate's gonna go up and, and all your problems are gonna go away.

Garrett (24m 52s):


Brian (24m 53s):

But I just think like we, we do live in a world where restricting has become like the thing, right? It's all about the, the special diet and, and cutting calories to a certain amount. And people are just like, they don't know where to go next, right? Where they've restricted everything and they're like, oh, what do I do now?

Garrett (25m 8s):

Yeah, one of, well one of the things we with, with what we do, some people might say we're restricting a bunch of things. And I would say actually I have people who have done restrictive diets and they come here and they go, well well you're not taking out any major food group. You're just limiting it to the ones that are lower or low in vitamin A. And I, yeah. And I tell people, I mean you can eat whatever the heck you want. I don't care. It's it, I'm not stressed over what you eat. You, you are, I am teaching people how to take responsibility for what they do and it is their responsibility. And if they want to be, like if somebody, we, we, people might eat beans on the diet or they might eat oats or something like that. And I tell them, if you don't feel good on it, stop eating it.

Garrett (25m 48s):

It's very simple. Like we don't have magic foods. We have, we have like the, the best of the best food list. But if people don't tolerate those, then you don't eat 'em. We, we use the old saying, doc, it hurts when I do this. Well then don't do that. Right? So So, we just, I mean the, it's it's crazy. The the, the vitamin A research on the thyroid vitamin A and the thyroid are like disastrous. It's all over the research. It's all over it.

Brian (26m 17s):

How does someone know if they're vitamin A, vitamin A toxic,

Garrett (26m 21s):

If you have chronic disease, you're, you're basically vitamin A toxic. That's it. It shows up every time we get, we get people who go on a good low vitamin A D and they're actually listening to the, the, the suggestions I do, which is like, oh, you don't feel good on a food then don't eat it. you know, if they actually listen to that. 'cause I had one person who tried to go off on me on Twitter saying she ate beans for a year and she just slowly got worse and she felt bad on them from the beginning. And I'm like, you just did that to yourself. Like you just shot yourself in the foot the whole time. And, now you're trying to blame the program and me because I told you, if you don't feel good eating it, don't eat it. And she kept eating it and I was like, what are you, what are you doing? Like, so you, user error is a huge problem in all these things.

Garrett (27m 4s):

Read the instructions, don't, don't go off on your own and then try to do things on that. But with, yeah, we're definitely not anti carb. We're definitely pro protein. We're, we're definitely, I mean we just, people start to get better and then they, then they kind of like the diet because they know what they feel good on, they know they can cheat and if they do cheat and they don't feel good, they know exactly why. And then we start getting people, you know, their, their health issues go away and they feel better and they know exactly what they did. How, but how do they know their vitamin A toxic, it's almost without a liver biopsy un until maybe I get a lab and I can figure out how to do retinol ester testing in the blood.

Garrett (27m 46s):

Because retinal ester testing retinol esters is what we store in the liver and the body fat. And if you see too many of those in the bloodstream, you know that basically the liver is leaking them. So retinal esters is, is retinol bound to fat. That's how our body stores vitamin A. So if you see too many of those storage forms leaking out into the system, that's how we could tell. But nobody, nobody does that test. It's only in research. So like figuring out vitamin A toxicity. We have serum retinol tests, but that's like I just told you earlier, you can be low in that. There, there was a guy who tested low in serum retinol. His doctors looking at what he was doing, vitamin A supplements and probably a bunch of vitamin A foods.

Garrett (28m 27s):

They never mentioned his diet in the, in the case study. But he was probably eating a ton of vitamin A foods. He was definitely taking supplements. They said we think you're vitamin A toxic. And they, they did a, they did a liver biopsy on him. So he was super high in the liver and super low. He was actually vitamin A deficient in his blood. And then I forget how many weeks it was eight weeks, 12 weeks later they found that his, his serum vitamin A, his blood vitamin A had gone into in the blood levels toxic levels. So he went from deficient to toxic levels while he was on a low vitamin A diet and his, his liver vitamin A went down quite a bit. So this is, this is the problem. Like people say, how can I tell?

Garrett (29m 8s):

And I go, you, you can't, it's not they, they've made it the research, you can't find it unless you can look at LDL, you can look at liver enzymes, you know, you can look at serum retinol, you could look at betacarotene, you can look at retinol binding protein. We could, we could look at as many things as we wanted. But then sometimes, here's the weird thing, if you don't have enough zinc, you don't get vitamin A out of your liver because you can't make retinol binding protein, which is what protects you. The body will not release vitamin A outta the liver into the bile if you don't have enough zinc. And if you don't have enough protein, how do we know this? Because in research they would give these malnourished kids in third world countries, they'd say, oh you have low vitamin A in your blood.

Garrett (29m 54s):

And then some certain studies, they'd give 'em zinc and they'd see the vitamin A in their blood go up or they'd give them more protein and they see the vitamin A in their blood go up. This is just like the, the, the vitamin D thing. They give 'em zinc or magnesium or protein and their vitamin D goes up. So these things, this is what I fix in people and then we see these, these levels come up to where we want them and then, but we didn't give those things. So it's actually a detox process happening. But yeah, the whole, the the the repeat thing, like I always, I always kind of joke about he didn't have a clinic, he never had a clinic, he never saw a patient. It's there, there was no skin in the game. He, he had a normal job and he just posted stuff on the internet.

Garrett (30m 39s):

And then, and then it also kind of gives people an excuse to say, well that's not the Ray Pete diet. That's not, it sounds a lot like communism when they say, oh, they didn't do it right. So then the ray repeaters can always say, oh well they didn't do the Ray Pete diet, right, because this is the right way and this is the right way and you didn't do it the right way. And so it gives everybody an excuse, but the principles of it seem to be fairly straightforward. And I have lots of people who tried to do it and it didn't work. And they're very big on vitamin A, they do the carrot salads and other stuff like that. And I just, the, the, the main guy who got me into Ray Pete approach was Matt Stone of wanting degree health.

Garrett (31m 19s):

I actually wrote a book with him and I did, I did that stuff and he quit the Ray Pete stuff and he went on vitamin A and he now knows that his asthma is completely related to vitamin A. If he eats vitamin A, if he eats dairy, his asthma comes back for three days and it takes three days of avoiding it to get the asthma to go away.

Brian (31m 37s):

When you say he got on vitamin A, you supplements, are you talking about like he was eating vitamin foods that were high in vitamin A And. what, what foods would you say are the ones that people should avoid?

Garrett (31m 47s):

So the the biggest, the biggest no-no list. I mean obviously anything vitamin A supplement would be a disaster. So that includes, you know, retinol palmitate supplements that includes cosmetics with retinol in them. Retin a Accutane, any supplement that's carotinoids, betacarotene, anything that says provitamin, a astaxanthin, lutein, zeaxanthin like any of any of the supplements. Cod live oil, don't let me forget cod live oil disaster fish oil contains quite a bit of vitamin A seed oils. Why do you think they're yellow? Oh well they have quite a bit of vitamin A. Well

Brian (32m 22s):

They're very antis seeded oil, a lot of it. Yeah, yeah. you know, yeah, yeah. Very anti.

Garrett (32m 27s):

So then, then we get into, okay, the big, the animal foods that are the highest in vitamin A, we get into dairy. Dairy has vitamin A in the fat and the proteins and the casin in the whe it's, it binds vitamin A in there. So it's not just the fat egg yolks, but

Brian (32m 44s):

You are are, I'm sorry, are you anti okay egg yolk egg yolks as well. So you're anti-air pretty much

Garrett (32m 52s):

Generally, yes. I have a lot of people who wanna get better. Some people come to me and they're like, well I'm doing raw dairy, is that fine? I say, well it's a significant source of vitamin A and vitamin D and four times as much calcium as is, as is in human breast milk. It's a, it's a calcium vitamin A vitamin D disaster. And I say if you wanna get better, if you are vitamin A toxic, if you determine this and you, you, you believe what I'm saying, you're probably gonna have to get rid of the milk and the, and the dairy and whatever because it, it, it's, it's a simple math equation. We get rid of a certain amount of vitamin a a day. You must take in less than the amount you excrete over time so that you can deplete your levels and improve your health.

Garrett (33m 38s):

It's just, it's just like a bank account, right? You wanna drain a bank account, you gotta, you gotta take in less than you put out.

Brian (33m 44s):

So, so if someone, just quick question Garrett. So if someone comes to you, they, they, they think they don't know their vitamin A toxic, you will first start with just, and then you said there's no way to test?

Garrett (33m 55s):

Not really, no.

Brian (33m 57s):

Okay. So

Garrett (33m 58s):

So, they, they read my stuff and usually they start seeing, oh I got skin issues. Oh I got, you know, anxiety and insomnia and I got these, these other issues. Or they see testimonials and they go, oh well I'm gonna try it out. Some people who want the test, they, they're like, they want it to be spelled out. I say, you don't get that, come back when you're ready 'cause there's, there's just no way. I don't, I don't have a lab and there's, there's no way in the literature to tell how much is stored in your liver and your body fat. Like if somebody ever turned themselves yellow or orange from carrot juice or red palm oil or whatever, they're guaranteed vitamin A toxic, even if their skin has gone back to the normal color because your body will break down the carotinoids in your skin into Retin Aldehydes one, one beta carotene turns into two Retin aldehydes, the aldehyde form of vitamin A and it will send, it will turn those back into retinol esters and send them to your liver and store them there.

Garrett (34m 51s):

So if anybody's ever been orange, you're guaranteed vitamin A toxic. Usually people can look at their diet after I go over the foods and they go, oh crap, I've been eating a ton of these foods and I was wondering why my health wasn't getting better. And then they go, they put it together and they go, oh I'm probably vitamin A toxic. And then they find me or some of the other people out on the internet pushing, you know, this, this paradigm shifting information. And then, then they just, they just do it. And oftentimes after a month or two they're like, I feel better. These issues are getting better. And so that's, that's all we need to, to say it. So

Brian (35m 29s):

Could they, could, could that person feel better perhaps from, you know, let's just say dairy for example? I don't know, maybe they were, maybe they didn't realize their, they're lactose intolerance or so

Garrett (35m 38s):

Could they

Brian (35m 39s):

Be feeling better 'cause of that or do you think it's all linked back to the vitamin A

Garrett (35m 43s):

Toxicity? Well, I mean it's, there's vitamin A and vitamin D in it. I worked for a raw milk co-op and they in, in medical school and they, they tested their milk. They were gon, the Arizona government was gonna make them add vitamin D or vitamin A and vitamin D to their milk if it wasn't high enough in it. And their milk always tested high enough in vitamin A and vitamin D that they didn't have to add it. So there's, there's plenty of vitamin A and vitamin D in, in raw milk in all the milks. So yeah, it's just, and and, okay, so dairy, dairy, egg, yolks, liver, other organ meats? We do, we do not do any organ meats. Oh, okay. If an organ meat is a muscle then it's, it's probably fine like tongue or heart, not too worried about those.

Garrett (36m 27s):

We're talking about the detox organs, especially liver and kidneys, which I did a whole nother Twitter thread on besides the vitamin A and I did a whole nother Twitter thread on all the toxic metals and other fat soluble toxins that are being found in organ meats. Even wild organ meats and grass fed New Zealand organ meats and it's, you don't want to eat detox organs. They store things, they accumulate things, that's what they do. The liver is the worst So we got dairy egg yolks, organ meats, pork. Pork is kind of sneaky. It's, it's full of vitamin A, it's just in Retin aldehyde and retinoic acid forms, which they don't measure. That's one of the other problems.

Garrett (37m 6s):

Science only measures for retinol. They don't measure for retin aldehyde and retinoic acids, which are the, the, the oxidized detox forms that it moves through. And if you've got plenty of those, I mean when we talk about retinoic acids, we're talking about your body. When you eat vitamin A, it turns that vitamin A retinol into Retin aldehyde So, we got an aldehyde form. I mean people actually, you know, the idea of thinking that aldehydes are actually vitamins is, is ludicrous. But then we have retin aldehyde and then it turns into retinoic acids. I just did a whole episode of my livestream last week on this retinoic acids. It means that when you eat vitamin A, whether it's from any source supplement or I showed this in, in the, in the livestream supplement or food, it turns into Accutane in your system, the same compound, the exact same compound and Retin a tretinoin and isotretinoin.

Garrett (38m 0s):

And then it also turns into allali tretinoin, which is a form of vitamin A that's really only used for chemotherapy that they give with arsenic, we all know chemotherapy is so healthy, right? So birds of a feather kind of flock together is is one of the sayings. So I mean you actually, when you eat vitamin A, you are making Accutane in your system. You are making retin a in your system and you are making allali tretinoin, which is a chemotherapy in your system. This is in the literature, there is no biochemical excuse around this. People then might try to say, well natural Accutane is better than synthetic Accutane. And I'm, I just shake my head and I'm like, can the scientist tell the difference between these compounds? And and they kind of, they'll they'll shrug and hang on and I'm, I say no, they can't, they can't, they can't tell where it came from 'cause it's the exact same compound.

Garrett (38m 42s):

So it does the exact same thing. So, so there's that. Now one other thing in terms of animal products we do not eat is generally fish and shellfish full of mercury. If, if, if you don't trust the ocean water, you shouldn't trust what is marinating in and breathing all the ocean water all day long. It's very simple. If you wouldn't drink, you know, unsalted sea water because you'd think it was full of toxic garbage, then you shouldn't eat the things that are swimming around in it. So those are the big animal sources. So then we get into the plant sources. This is pretty easy But, it, it's, it's a little confusing for some people, but it's the parts of the plant that you eat.

Garrett (39m 22s):

This is the important distinction. The parts of the plant that you eat that are yellow, orange, red, dark, green, those are the big vitamin A colors. So like a banana for example. Bananas are yellow on the outside, but they are white to off white on the inside. That's fine if the part you eat is white off white to light green, it's okay. So that's the simple thing that, that people can use when they, when they are out and about or grocery shopping or anything stuff. So, so you're saying red, what were the colors again? Yellow, orange, red, dark, green. Is that for fruits and vegetables? Yep, all of it.

Garrett (40m 3s):

We don't worry about too much about like, people will say, well what about beans there, there might be like red beans or black beans or whatever. And I just, it's, it's only in the outer hall. What about orange juice? Oh, I would never touch it. No. Full of vitamin. A full of it, full of sugar. I mean I, I just, I I don't no, no, our people just don't do juices in general. Yeah, we're, we're past the, the juice now we, we actually want the soluble fiber. Soluble fiber helps soak up vitamin A, it helps soak up bile in your intestines and it helps then to for you to poop it out. So, you know, but that's the vitamin A list. That's kind of the big things. I mean we do, we do other things.

Garrett (40m 44s):

We, we we, we restrict other things for other reasons. Like, like as we might say cashews as grant pointed out, cashews contain ol which is actually structurally amazingly similar to retinoic acid. And it's the same compound that's found in poison vy and So. we don't, we don't do cashews as an example. Any nuts or all nuts? Well nuts are, nuts are okay in terms of low vitamin A. The, the problem with nuts as some people are finding is they're really high in oxalates. So like almonds are really high in oxalates. And so the oxalates oxalates bind to calcium and then cause problems in your system. So let's say one So, we have to understand, so if we got oxalates in the system, what does vitamin a toxicity cause over time in people hypercalcemia, what does vitamin toxicity cause in people hypercalcemia, it's both of those things.

Garrett (41m 39s):

Vitamin A has been shown to pull calcium out of your bones. That's how it causes hypercalcemia. It's, it's robbing calcium from your bones and over 3000 units of vitamin a a day from food and supplements, whatever food or supplements, food and supplements. Over 3000 units a day was associated with an increased risk of osteoporosis in nor in Scandinavian countries, 3000 units a day. Some of these people are getting 3000 units at breakfast. So, you know, they think they're healthy and they're wondering why everything's falling apart. So then vitamin D, there was a study in men since we're ta we're mostly talking to men here today, 10 years after taking vitamin D supplements or was it three years?

Garrett (42m 21s):

I think it might've only been three years. They had lower bone density than the guys who didn't vitamin D, the go look up vitamin D, bone resorption, R-E-S-O-R-P-T-I-O-N vitamin D. If you, you will pull calcium outta your bones just like vitamin A does. We got everybody trying to take vitamin D for their bones and yet osteoporosis keeps getting worse and worse. I know why it's happening. We, we don't take rat poison. I think the human body is actually amazing at recycling calcium. I mean, think about it. If you pull a calcium molecule outta your bones, it's just a calcium molecule, why can't your body just put it back into a new bone cell?

Garrett (43m 3s):

Like why, why not? It's not like it's old, it's not like me minerals like age or it gets stale. So if the body can just recycle it, you know, you chop out the, the osteoblast takes out the old bone cell chops it all up into its pieces to get rid of it. Why can't it just grab onto the calcium if it wants it again? Why? Why would it not? How do cows build giant bones eating grass and you don't see cows drinking milk for their bones except when they're young with calves, right? So I just, I always, I always wonder like where these people think humans have these gigantic calcium needs when all of our diseases, all of the chronic diseases, if you look at them, radiology, stuff like that, there's always calcium deposits.

Garrett (43m 47s):

How do they find these diseases in people most times X-rays or cat scans, which, what are they really good at seeing calcium deposits. That's what, that's what they're seeing. So I'm talking about we're not gonna put in tons of vitamin A, we're not gonna put in tons of vitamin D, we're not gonna put in tons of calcium and then we're not feeding these diseases that are cal that are related to calcification. That's, that's what I fix. I tend to think I fix a lot of calcification in people all day long.

Brian (44m 20s):

And what's your typical, I'm just curious, we talk a lot about routines, like what's your typical routine as far as, you know, eating? I mean, I know you've cut out, we've cut out a decent amount. I mean, well like what type of fruits do you like to eat and

Garrett (44m 34s):

Oh, the, the fruit list is short. It's apples and bananas, green grapes and pears. What about

Brian (44m 41s):


Garrett (44m 43s):

Nope, polyphenols. That's, that's a whole nother topic, but polyphenols like blueberries are really high in polyphenols actually slow down A LDH quite a bit and deplete B one, So, we don't tend to, we, we, if we wanted to expand the whole list of, of fruits and vegetables to the things we generally avoid, like I'm not worried if somebody has blueberries on occasion. I'm not worried about that. If people are eating cups of blueberries daily, we got, we got an issue. But polyphenols, they're, they're another phenol. Let's just look at the word phenol. Known toxin. It was used as, it was used as biological chemical warfare in World War I.

Brian (45m 21s):


Garrett (45m 21s):

Phenol is toxic. So then we have polyphenols made by plants. Plants do their plants defend themselves with chemical biochemical warfare. That's what they do. So what is, people say, well why is vitamin A in all these foods, because it's biochemical warfare, what is capsaicin in spicy peppers? Biochemical warfare. Like what are polyphenols, biochemical warfare that's there as a pesticide. So, so yeah, so, so the generally the dark, the the, the darker colored, stronger colored, brighter colored plant foods are the more toxic they are. And, and it's a, it's a very simple heuristic. you know, we look, we look for white or off white or light green.

Garrett (46m 2s):

And that's what we do. So But it, the polyphenols are less of a problem than vitamin A is as an example. So we can, we can, we can stratify these things. Sure, yeah. 'cause I

Brian (46m 13s):

Was gonna say, I mean you could probably find something wrong with anything if you really want to.

Garrett (46m 19s):

Yes. Well living living is killing us. I mean, breathing air is killing us. Yes. So, we are trying to look at the most toxic things, the things I'm most concerned about. Like most everybody knows about, you know, microplastics are bad and forever chemicals are bad. And don't put polyester on your junk, that's bad. And like people know the big things. But the where, where I'm getting into it and where I'm getting all these results from is telling people the things that they might be eating that they think are good for them and they're trying to eat more of them are poisoning them. And this is why they're so confused as to why they do the right things, what they think are the right things, and they're getting sicker. This is what I'm doing. And then as we, as, especially as we all age, we've been around this earth longer.

Garrett (47m 0s):

So if we are, as we get more toxic, our detox slows down. I this is all over the research and it makes sense, right? As your car gets dirty, it doesn't run as well. So as we get more toxic, our detox systems slow down, then if we're getting sick and we start trying to be healthy and we do the an excess of the wrong things, we make ourselves more toxic, the detox slows down and it's just this, this really bad cycle that then people wonder, how do I get out of it? And they're going from diet to diet and fad to fad and they, they just can't figure out why they'll feel better for a month or two or three maybe. And then everything just comes rushing back and they don't know what to do and then they're stuck and we just start going, well, because you're just addressing the wrong things and you're getting kind of a honeymoon phase with a lot of these things.

Garrett (47m 50s):

Whereas we're looking long term and when, when we have people who have been doing this, you know, for 10 years, six years, four years, it's not a flash in the pan. And we're getting, I mean we have two people now. We have, we have Grant got rid of chronic kidney disease. His nephrologist was said, he was the first person he's ever seen escape chronic kidney disease completely on his labs. Like he was, he was on heading for dialysis and he totally fixed it. We have a person in the program who has fixed cirrhosis, liver cirrhosis, completely based on ultrasounds. We have two two now who claim that they had diagnosed celiac And. now that's gone.

Garrett (48m 31s):

We're we're seeing things, we're seeing people fix things that everybody says cannot be fixed. It's genetic or whatever. Or you're just, you know, the, the woman's hepatologist was like, you're, she said, can we fix this? And she said, he's like, no, you're screwed. It's basically just a slow downhill until you die and we've reversed it. So we're doing things that nobody thinks can happen and people out there, you know, want to dispute us and all this stuff. And, and I mean the woman who did the, the cirrhosis thing, she was doing what we call the cowboy diet for a long time, which is what the Cowboys mostly ate. It's, and we think of cowboys as being tough and work capacity and all that stuff. They ate beef and beans. That was the vast majority of their diet.

Garrett (49m 11s):

Beef and beans, which is a low vitamin A diet So. we we're starting to go back in history and, and, and I had a Russian guy say that our what the love your liver program is espousing is very close to what a traditional Russian diet is in this guy's statements, So, we, we start seeing that like eat a rainbow. The idea of eat a rainbow started in this country in 2005. It came about on Sesame Street. It's not like some long term nutritional wisdom. It's pop nutrition to get us to eat antioxidants. And the antioxidant theory of health has been thoroughly disproven. And when you start to understand detox, detox is an oxidative process.

Garrett (49m 54s):

It's breaking things down. Oxidation is generally breaking things down. The, the main detox process in the body are oxidative antioxidants do the exact opposite to this process. They slow it down, they stop it So. we don't want to do that. Are there other certain supplements that you stand by that use a lot? I mean, we use some of the things that, that we use. One is flush niacin that really flush niacin is the gasoline not niacinamide. That's another place where Pete messed up. Niacinamide is trash, niacinamide garbage. It causes problems. Flush niacin gives you the gas, the NAD that you're, that 400 different enzymes in the body need to run.

Garrett (50m 41s):

It's, it's the gasoline for your detox. So flush niacin is one thing. We use a lot of zinc, selenium, molybdenum. Most people have never even heard of molybdenum, much less know how to get it or how much magnesium. We use a lot of topical magnesium. I consider topical magnesium to be 10 times as effective as pills. Pills are mainly to help you poop. Pills of magnesium can help you poop. They do not raise your levels effectively for like 95% of people. And I've seen it over and over on hair tests. There's potassium. Potassium is huge, huge people do not get enough potassium at all. And oftentimes when they get it, they're like, oh, I'm less anxious, I'm less depressed, I have better energy.

Garrett (51m 23s):

I sleep, I fall asleep faster. And it's vitamin A blocks, potassium channels copper toxicity, depletes potassium. And then as I mentioned earlier, vitamin D supplements deplete potassium So. we, we have reasons that everybody's potassium deficient and as people get better, they don't need as much because they don't have all these antagonists acting on their potassium. What else did lactoferrin? Lactoferrin is a, is a, is a protein found in milk that we do make in our bodies. Lactoferrin is supposed to be in every single body fluid we have. We don't have to take it in from outside. We're supposed to make it vitamin A damages the very cells that make our lactoferrin lactoferrin our body uses to fix damaged tissues like leaky gut, like leaking bile ducts and it's researchers call lactoferrin the miracle molecule because it helps so many conditions.

Garrett (52m 22s):

Well, if toxic, if toxic bile theory is correct, and leaky toxic bile is what causes all chronic diseases and lactoferrin helps fix the leaks, then it makes sense that they're all connected like that. So I think that's, that's the main, oh, we use sun fiber, sun fiber's. Another thing that we use, sun fiber is just a, it's a kind of partially hydrolyzed, pre hydrolyzed So. they use, they, they broke the gure gum down into the next stage and it's basically food for your gut. And then we use, we use a lot of food for your gut biome. We use, people use a lot of charcoal and then they figure out what amount of soluble fiber especially is best for their digestion and their state of health at the time.

Garrett (53m 5s):

Because not everybody does great on a lot of it. And some people do great on huge amounts of it, and people just don't know until they do it. So that's kind of the short list. Yeah.

Brian (53m 14s):

And you typically, when you see someone new, you start them with like a mineral test.

Garrett (53m 18s):

If, if they're working with me, I mean if the, the, the, the Love Your Liver program is just a do it yourself program. We got like over 2000 people who are active members there. And you can, you know, it's a forum. It's like you can ask questions in there, you can get help, but that's, that's a do it yourself program. That's where the whole Love Your Liver program is. Like basically my life's work, if they wanna work with me or one of my practitioners, we do a hair test and we do a blood test. We look at it in the blood, we look at, we do look at vitamin A, we, we do look at it because it's nice to see when it starts going down. And then pe when it starts really going down, that's when people, that's when we know the liver is basically being emptied out. But that can take years.

Garrett (53m 58s):

This is the crazy thing, like people think that, you know, you just, if you stop eating vitamin A, your vitamin A level and your blood should go down. No, you, you're getting rid of that out of your liver. For years, and this was always in the research, the researchers would say it's weird. Like the levels don't go down for, for years. They can stay very, very steady on like a no vitamin A diet. And the only place, the only way that could happen is it's coming outta the liver So. we do vitamin A on the blood test. We do, we do look at zinc and copper and ferritin on a blood test. and we, we can use those to help guide people's supplementation more if they're gonna do any, you know, blood draws or phlebotomies for that. And then the vitamin A is just kind of, we just watch it.

Garrett (54m 39s):

But it's nice to, it can, it can help in certain ways, but it's not the be all end all. Most people who come to me for vitamin A toxicity, their blood levels are right in the normal range, normal whatever that is for an ential compound. But so they're in the normal range and we start, they go on the diet and they're like, I feel better. And I say, that's all you need to know. You feel better doing this. And that's what we're doing. So you can't, you can't tell unless you get a liver biopsy. So that's what we got. But then at six months over the other, the other big thing I do differently with the people who work with me or my other practitioners is I give six months of support via like some small group zoom calls.

Garrett (55m 20s):

So once a week with, with each of my practitioners, we each have our own session once a week people can come in and just post a question that, that we answer. So if they have an individual issue, we don't just, one of the things I didn't like about normal doctor visits or whatever for or any practitioner visits is you go and you see them for the initial consult. They tell you things to do, which is the same thing I do. They tell you things to do, but then if something doesn't work, you're supposed to go back to them So, they can charge you again for something that they gave you that didn't work. So their failure means that you have to pay more. I don't agree with that. That's, that's not ethical.

Garrett (56m 1s):

So what we do is we, we give six months of support as in part of the package that people can come in and then get tweaks. Because one of the sayings I have is this is not a game. Like you are trying to take out the most toxic things from your liver and your body fat that it has stored over decades. Think of it as like transporting nuclear waste. Like you have to get it out, but it's toxic and it could hurt you on the way out. Nothing. This is a key thing. Nothing is detoxed until it has left your body. One of the biggest mistakes people make is that they say the liver detoxes things, it processes things, it stores things, it processes things, it makes bile.

Garrett (56m 48s):

But until that bile leaves your body, people don't realize that 95% in a normal diet, 95% of your bile is reabsorbed by your guts and it goes right back to your liver via the, what's called entero, hepatic circulation. So if you're not d the liver is making bile. That's how it wants to get rid of poisons. It puts it into your guts. You generally, most people reabsorb 95% of it right back to the liver. So you only get rid of 5% of it a day. So if you're not doing things to maximize getting rid of it, and if you're leaking a bunch of it, the leak stuff does just goes right back to the liver via the blood. It goes in the blood and comes back to the liver to be filtered out again and put into the bile again. So this is why we, we, we have to do things.

Garrett (57m 30s):

We want to do things to facilitate the actual removal of this toxic bile from the system. And the biggest things we do to do that is soluble fiber and charcoal. What about tka? Thoughts on that? tka TKA is tka, well, I don't consider, okay, TKA is a secondary bile acid. First of all, it's UCA UDCA bound to a toine. It's conjugated to a trine uca, it, it doesn't. So taking secondary bile acids, it is well known in medicine that secondary bile acids of which TKA is one, is one of the most toxic bile acids are the most toxic bile acids.

Garrett (58m 12s):

Primary bile acids are made by your liver. Secondary bile acids are converted in your gut by the gut biome and they are more toxic. So tka, whatever it's doing, well, first of all, uca UCA is used by pharmaceutical, by the pharmac cartel. They use UCA with people with cirrhosis. So lemme tell a quick story about UCA then. So with my liver cirrhosis person, she came to me, I wanna fix this, can I fix it? I said, I think so. I've never, I've, I've never done this before. I've never had a cirrhosis person like full on diagnosed cirrhosis who wants to get better. Most people with cirrhosis just kind of give up. They're just like, I'm screwed.

Garrett (58m 52s):

Well, this lady was not willing to accept that. So she starts doing it and she says, well what about this uca? And I showed her the research on it, the research on UCA being really damaging. And another person on the Love Your Liver network set up. My dad got on uca and it just slowly destroyed him. Kind of like Parkinson's meds due to people. They, they help people with a little bit with symptoms and then, but they just, it just destroys them. So I said, you're gonna have to get off this uca I think to get better. It's not helping you get better. She said, every time I get off the uca, my liver enzymes go up. Okay. And my doctor freaks out and I kind of, I get worried and then I, so I go back on it.

Garrett (59m 36s):

I said, okay, well we're doing the right things here. You're going to have to, this, this is not helping. You're going to have to get off of it to get better and your liver enzymes are probably gonna go up and we're going to ride it out and your liver is going to get better and we are going to fix this problem. And if you don't, if you're gonna have to trust me, but anybody out there who wants to get off your med, if you're not doing what we're doing, you're not, you're not doing what we're doing. So don't, don't say that you're doing my stuff. Like people out there were doing glucose and dextrose powder thinking it was helping them another sugar powder. And I told 'em, don't say you're doing my stuff. You're taking sugar powder. That's, that's not, that is not the way, that is not what we do here.

Garrett (1h 0m 19s):

I'm gonna do a whole live stream on just, just destroying the glucose and dextrose thing very soon. So anyway, got her off the uca, she wrote it out. Now she doesn't have cirrhosis anymore. So what we see in our work, so what, what does modern medicine do? They put, they see labs. They see labs they don't like. They put you on drugs to make your labs look better and then you get worse long term. Okay, so what do we do? We look at the labs a bit. We don't really care. We know how to get people better. We start doing things and it has now become accepted in our world that your labs may look a little worse at the start, but then you get better over time and all the labs come back normal and the problem's gone.

Garrett (1h 1m 4s):

So, we do the exact opposite of what conventional medicine is doing. Yes, your labs may look a little worse at start, but that's, that's part of the fixing process. People don't realize that when you fix things, things get dirtier before they get cleaner. Like if you wanted to clean out your garage, you take everything outta the garage, right? You can't clean the garage with all the crap in it. So you gotta take everything outta the garage. So now your, your driveway's dirty, so now your garage is still dirty, And, now your driveway's dirty, you clean up everything in there. Once you can finally get to it, you clean up everything and then you put, you clean up all the stuff and you put it back in and you reorganize it and then everything's clean. So things actually got dirtier before they get cleaner. And if people don't understand that con that content or that that, sorry, that that principle then they just give up.

Garrett (1h 1m 52s):

As soon as their labs get worse, they just go right back to whatever they were doing because they're, they're scared and they don't know that what they're doing is right and they want their labs to look better. Well, labs are, labs are symptoms. When people understand that most labs are not looking at causes, they're looking at symptoms. Like even if you say I have anemia based on my red blood cells, it's a sim it a low red blood cells, it's a symptom of something else. It's not a cause So, we wanna figure out why are the red blood cells low? And then when you really get down to it, we go, it's either toxicities causing it or it's deficiencies. The malnourished kids, they're just not eating enough energy.

Garrett (1h 2m 32s):

You put more energy in 'em. Oh my gosh, all of a sudden the symptoms go away. It's, it's as simple as like it can, it's, it's too much of something bad or not enough of something good. And that's what we, that's what we fix. So yeah. I forget where I was going with that

Brian (1h 2m 46s):

When I asked you about TKA and then you

Garrett (1h 2m 48s):

Tka, oh, so tka TKA is TKA with a, to test the, in toxic bile theory, the biggest things that will cause people's health problems is either the recipe of the bile itself. So what the bile is made of, including the different bile acids and the various other toxins in it, toxic metals, fat soluble toxins, all these toxic things in the bile. So the recipe of the bile is very much which symptoms will show up. Then there's the amount of bile that leaks into the blood. The more so you got the recipe that causes certain symptoms and then you got the amount, obviously as the amount goes up, dose dependence, you increase the amount of bile in the blood of that recipe, you're gonna have bigger symptoms.

Garrett (1h 3m 32s):

Okay? What TKA is doing is it's just changing the recipe of the bile. So if you give TKA in a certain situation and, and changing the ratios of these various bile acids can shift the condition than you could see improvement. But TKA is not fixing the actual recipe. It's just, it's just covering it up. It's just changing the recipe. And So, we, we don't use it and we get people better So we don't use, I mean, if somebody had taking in more bile in a chronic disease where the problem is there's too much bile leaking into the system is not gonna fix the toxic leaky bile problem.

Garrett (1h 4m 13s):

Now could some, some people get symptom relief from it. Sure. I'm not denying that. I mean, what does, what does medicine do? What does conventional medicine do? They give people poisons that cause them to feel certain ways that using poisons is what conventional medicine does. They give you a poison, it causes your body to do something and you may have improvements in your symptoms. So if people are giving bile acids and they're like, well, it helps a symptom, okay, that this happens all the time. We don't, we don't do that. We do something different. So, well, nobody has a TKA deficiency, I'll put it that way. Okay.

Brian (1h 4m 52s):

Well Garrett maybe, we'll we're running out of time here, but maybe we'll do a round two down the road.

Garrett (1h 4m 57s):

Sure. Let me know.

Brian (1h 4m 58s):

Yeah. And where's the best place for people to find you?

Garrett (1h 5m 2s):

Okay, so my main website is nutrition detective.com. That's where you can find stuff on the supplements and the packages, the consultation stuff and all that. My my Do it yourself program, the Love Your Liver program, that can be found@membersnutritiondetective.com. For those who are on Twitter, you can find me, you know, if you search for Nutrition detective, you'll find me. But also my, my handle on there is nut Nutri, N-U-T-R-I detect D-E-T-E-C-T because I can't put the whole words there, but Twitter's where I'm the most active. We do, we are on Facebook and if you, if you look for nutrition detective on, on all the social media, you'll find us. But I'm most active on Twitter. I do a live stream every week on YouTube.

Garrett (1h 5m 42s):

Again, it's nutrition detective. Yeah. Tuesday mornings I do, I do a live stream where I go through the research. I'm showing research constantly the whole time so that people understand that there is a basis to all of this. And yeah, that's how you can find me

Brian (1h 5m 58s):

All, right? Garrett, well, nutrition detective.com. And then when you're, if you're on there, there is a place to, to find the membership information for the

Garrett (1h 6m 6s):

Yeah, that's also on the main website too. Yes, absolutely.

Brian (1h 6m 9s):

All. right. Well, I appreciate you coming on and yeah, thanks so much. Have a great rest of the day.

Garrett (1h 6m 16s):

Thanks for having me.

Brian (1h 6m 19s):

Thanks for listening to the GETLEAN E Clean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned in this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.

Garrett Smith

“I consider myself a teacher of health and nutrition at heart”

Licensed Naturopathic Medical Doctor (NMD) in Arizona

Bachelor of Science (BS) in Physiology, Minor in Nutrition

Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist

I’ve worked in the medical field for over 15 years. In addition, I worked in the strength and conditioning fitness industry for 12 years prior. It was my work in the fitness field that sparked my interest in nutrition, as they are inseparable.


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