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The second population are people who have various illnesses, who are struggling, who have often done everything they could with a conventional medical route, and they, they haven't had adequate relief. So these are people who have all kinds of, let's say, autoimmune diseases, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and, you know, psoriasis, Hashimotos, you know, people who have different organ diseases and like autism or neurological conditions like Alzheimer's, Parkinson's. So really just pretty much the whole gamut of medical illnesses.
Hello and welcome to the Get Lean e Klean podcast. I'm Brian Grn, and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week, I'll give you an in-depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long-term sustainable results. This week I interviewed anti-aging and stem cell specialist Dr. Joy k. Dr. Kong is a UCLA trained triple board certified physician and is the founder of Uplift Longevity Center in Chatsworth, California. She also is the founder and c e O of Char Biologics dedicated to providing cutting edge regenerative medicine products in the US and global markets.
Brian (1m 29s):
We discussed Dr. Kong's journey into anti-aging medicine. What is stem cell therapy? Who is it for? What are the benefits and cost of the treatment and her personal experience around using stem cells for the last seven years? This was a great interview with Dr. Kong. I really enjoyed meeting her, and I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All right. Welcome to the Get Lean ean podcast. My name is Brian Grin, and I have Dr. Joy K on. Welcome to the show.
Joy (2m 0s):
Thank you, Brian. Happy to be here.
Brian (2m 2s):
Yeah, this is my first anti-aging and stem cell specialist I have on.
Joy (2m 8s):
Brian (2m 9s):
How do you feel?
Joy (2m 10s):
It's about time.
Brian (2m 12s):
Yeah, I'm ex I'm excited because I feel like this keeps coming up. I keep hearing it just through the people that I know out in Chicago. I mean, you're in, you're in la and like you mentioned, you've been out there for 23 years. Before we get into all that, I, I know you wrote a memoir a while back, and, and I, I was listening to you and Brad Kerns talk a little bit about that. Perhaps maybe just give us a little background of your story coming to the United States and sort of what sort of drew you to getting into, you know, this, this line of work.
Joy (2m 42s):
Yeah, so I actually had two years of architecture study in Beijing at, you know, just I, I, my mind works in a way where I like to synthesize information, so I like to draw from different disciplines, and, and that's what drew me to medicine. So I, I think medicine, it's a, a discipline that combines, right, you, you, you are combining sociology, psychology, science, technology. So as, as many things in one. And when I went to medical school, you know, I was, you know, basically faced with a possibility of doing, you know, specializing in anything, but the brain was of special interest to me.
Joy (3m 28s):
So that's when I specialized in psychiatry. So I did practice psychiatry after residency for seven years. And at the same time, I've always been really interested in personal health, just, you know, being, staying well. Also, I need to know what to counsel my patients. So in that process, that's how I encountered anti-aging medicine. Not even realizing that's a discipline, and it's really, you know, it's still controversial. People don't like, you know, being anti-aging, you know, I, I, I see nothing wrong with anti-aging. So to me it's anti decline. So that, that's how I interpret it. So age is fine, but the problem is that the age always comes with decline. So you don't want the decline.
Joy (4m 9s):
And this whole discipline is designed to optimize the person. So you, you're declining as slowly as possible, hopefully imperceptibly. So you're always youthful until the candle runs the end, and then, you know, poof. So that's kind of the, the, the goal of anti-aging for myself and for my patients. And during that process, that's when I encountered doctors who are doing stem cells treatments. And that was very fascinating. Not only in concept, but in results that people are getting. So that's what kind of got me very excited. And, you know, the last six, seven years that I've been kind of devoted to stem cell therapy.
Brian (4m 56s):
Interesting. And, and what drew you to stem cell, and was it something that you tried yourself or did you just start learning about it and you're like, oh, this is just a, an area that I really wanna specialize in?
Joy (5m 7s):
Yeah, the first time I heard about it actually being used on a person was meeting this doctor on a bus. He told me about using stem cell treatment, empirical core stem cells for this kid with autism. And my, my question was, what, you can actually use it to treat people? Because in my little bubble, which most doctors are in their own respective bubbles, yeah, you will have no chance of knowing what's going on outside of your bubble bubble because you're, you're just, you're so focused on, on treating patients, going to conferences that are hosted by the same people that are basically supplying the drugs that you're giving patients.
Joy (5m 54s):
So you're just in this loop, so you never have a chance of getting out. So there was no reason for me to know anything about stem cells until I meet this doctor. And, and he showed me the behavioral improvements that the teachers observed in this child. All the things that psychiatry had not been ab able to accomplish. The psychiatrist may be able to accomplish 2% of what this doctor w was able to accomplish with one IV infusion. And he's not even a psychiatrist. I mean, he just, you know, he, he's anesthesiologist, so he just gave the cells and there, you know, the, there's, you know, you see the kid improve and flourish.
Joy (6m 38s):
So that was very mind opening. And, you know, getting to know the fact that you can do stem cell therapy as a tissue transplant in this country. So it's not considered a drug is considered a transplantation. So just like blood transfusions and organ transplantations, you can, as a doctor, you can give this transplant to another human and then, and then observe the benefit. So it's, it's not just autism, of course, muscular skeletal problems is one of the most commonly used areas, but if you look at research, there's research on conditions from head to toe, you know, literally from your hair, hair on your head to eyes, ears, you know, autoimmune conditions, lung, liver, kidneys, and, and, and, and, and, yeah, you know, reproductive organs.
Joy (7m 33s):
So the, the, the, the results are what's really exciting, you know, in theory it's fascinating because we're utilizing the intelligence that made us, and then how can you tap into that kind of intelligence? But it's really the practical use that made it so exciting.
Brian (7m 53s):
Yeah, it, it sounds like a growing field. It, how would you define, like stem cell therapy? What, what would be, if someone just never even heard about it, what would be a definition of it?
Joy (8m 3s):
So if you look at how our body survive and how it lifts through time, it's really requiring replenishment of, of, of cells that may be damaged, right? If you living is damaging, so you're always gonna injure something and there's oxidative damage just by breathing, you're causing damage. But if you can replace what has been, you know, dysfunctional, and then you're fresh, new again, then you can continue life. So stem cell therapy is u utilizing these cells that actually are there to replenish you.
Joy (8m 45s):
So as stem, I mean, there's such a, you know, long convoluted history and science about stem cells because the quintessential, the most powerful stem cell is the fertilized egg. So that is the most powerful one. The more you, the cells divide and start to, to form the embryo, then the less powerful they are. They're all still stem cells until the end organ is formed. Then those are tissue specific stem cells, but everything before that, they're stem cells. So in our body as an adult, we still have a lot, a lot of stem cells in us, even though they, they dwindle, you know, as we age, the, the level kind of goes down a cliff, but we still have them to replenish us.
Joy (9m 30s):
So the key is to get those kind of cells out. You can get it from your own body. You know, the most common source are bone marrow and fat, or you can get it from younger sources like the UMO cord. So just remember, UMO cord stem cells is not embryonic stem cells, these are completely different in embryologic terms. Amal cord stem cells are considered adult stem cells because they are in adult, so fully formed human, that's an adult in, in the embryological, you know, concept. But the, the embryonic stem cells is only from day five to seven of an embryo.
Joy (10m 10s):
There's a, a ball is formed and inside the, the ball, there are some cells and you can take one of those cells out and they have, you know, very vast potentials. So those are embryonic stem cells. So the Amal core stem cells is what can be used as well. And they're very young sources, of course is from day zero old baby. But amal cord stem cells actually are younger than the baby's stem cells because the cells were trapped when the embryo was forming. So they're kind of in between embryonic stem cells and adult stem cells. So anyhow, so you can get the cells from different sources, and once you extract them out, and of course you have to make sure that they are the stem cells, you know, there are certain surface markers that you will allow you to, to de decide whether or not they're stem cells.
Joy (10m 59s):
And once you get them out, you can put them into, you know, lots of places that you need regenerations for. You know, most common places are, are intravenous infusions or intramuscular, you know, kind of injection, or you can inject into a joint space and soft tissue and, you know, face and hair and there's sexual organ injections. So, so that's the transplantation part.
Brian (11m 29s):
So the people doing the stem cell therapy, are these just everyday people, or what are the most common people that you see that are using this as a, as a method of sort of re rejuvenating themselves or,
Joy (11m 43s):
Yeah, so there are probably two main types of patients. One type are the anti-aging crowd, the biohackers, the people who have taken pretty good care of their body and really want to optimize their performance and the, you know, just the quality of their lives. So they want to do it as a preventative measure preventing against dec decline and preventing against diseases. So, so, so
Brian (12m 13s):
Are they using, I'm sorry to interrupt you. Are they using, when you do a therapy on someone for like anti-aging are using their own stem cells and
Joy (12m 22s):
That would be very difficult? Yeah, I, I, I would think you have to use younger sources. Okay. Instead of using your own, because once you extract cells from your own body, not only your own body cells, it's your exact age, which is not as powerful and as actually as safe. We can talk about that later as the earlier stem cells, like embryonic, I mean umbilical core stem cells, but also once you take them out of the body and you're putting them back in, there's a attrition rate. So there's the, there'll be cells that are lost, just anytime you activate cells, you take them out of the body, it's traumatic for them, and then you put 'em back in, some will die.
Joy (13m 7s):
So, so in that sense, you just depleted, you know, you just reduce your own stem cell supply if you use your own for anti-aging purposes. Okay. But you don't have to have that kinda loss when you use younger cells like the al core cells. So, so that's the, the first population. The second population are people who have various illnesses, who are struggling, who have often done everything they could with a conventional medical route, and they, they haven't had adequate relief. So these are people who have all kinds of, let's say autoimmune diseases, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and, you know, psoriasis, Hashimotos, you know, people who have different organ diseases and like autism or neurological conditions like Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.
Joy (14m 0s):
So really just pretty much the whole gamut of medical illnesses and, and the treatment that, you know, is more costly is not exorbitant, but it is costly. But a lot of people, I, I think they could see that if they could spend some money and gain back quality of life rather than staying in the traditional rut and not really going anywhere, yes, the insurance is paying for everything, but you're not improving. So how much is your life worth? So that's, that's the question a lot of people are facing. And many people who come to me or other doctors who are doing stem cell treatments, they decided that, you know, that, that they think is worthwhile.
Joy (14m 45s):
So that's, that's, those are the two populations.
Brian (14m 48s):
And for someone using it for, like you said, maybe like autoimmune disease or something, is this therapy that has to, is ongoing, right? Like is this like once a week, once a month, and I'm assuming it's not covered by insurance out of pocket?
Joy (15m 4s):
Not yet, yeah. Unless somebody has some extraordinary exper insurance once in a while. I think some, you know, people who are very wealthy, they have some, some incredible health insurance they may cover, but almost, yeah, 99.9% of the time is not covered. So the regimen really de depends on how, how well the person's responding. But as a rule of thumb, I would say if you somebody has a severe health and illness, a chronic condition, we probably would expect three treatments in the course of six months. So maybe every one to two months you do another treatment.
Joy (15m 46s):
It's, it's not that I have not had people who do extraordinarily well with one treatment, but I, I don't want to give people the false hope that that's gonna be the same for everybody. I want people to be realistic. If, if I give you one treatment and you're fully recovered, that's amazing. Great. So let's now just, you know, try to prevent you against aging, right? That's the anti-aging protocol part. But, you know, then we, we got out of disease, you know, realm, but, but just like medications, right? There's a dose, there's interval, you wanna take it for a certain amount of time. You don't expect to take a whole bottle of a medication all at once thinking that's just gonna cure everything because the, the body has a rhythm of his own, right?
Joy (16m 34s):
There's a daily, there's, you know, there's a living, you know, this living organism that you don't expect one dose, big dose of something to cure everything. You, you do need a regimen. So I would say, you know, three will be my, you know, general gen, general suggestion for patients. And then once they're stable, then they can do it maybe, you know, depending on how well they're taking care of themselves. I always ask people, what made you sick in the first place? So why did you get sick? Let's say lupus. Why, why did you get lupus? Let's figure out why, you know, was it toxicity? Was it, you know, some kind of, you know, nutrient deficiency, what, you know, was it hormonal imbalance?
Joy (17m 20s):
It, it, are all these things playing a part in why you went downhill to the point of diagnosis. So if we can address all those pieces, then we can keep you stay well longer, right? We removed the causes of the disease, I can help you re you know, repair your body, but if you don't remove all the causes, then those things are still there and they're gonna try to bring you back into the disease state. So this is why holistic valuation is so important. So that's what I'm trying, trying to do in the clinic, is to get certain laboratory tests for patients and then use other adjunct, you know, therapies to amplify the, the results.
Joy (18m 3s):
Yeah. So, so it's really about how much we can do to address root causes.
Brian (18m 10s):
And for the anti-aging side, what, what are people mainly using it for? Is it like building muscle or then what, what is like the average age of the person that you see that's just like sort of a biohacker and anti-aging and wanting to just increase performance and, you know, maybe look better? I don't know,
Joy (18m 33s):
Average age, I'll say, well, usually it's between forties to 70, you know, that's probably the range of, as far as far as biohackers. But for anti-aging, you know, people who are in their eighties who are doing anti-aging, you know, treatments and they're feeling fantastic, right? A ton of energy, mental acuity, sense of wellbeing and, you know, stamina and just, you know, your, your, your ability to perform physically and of course sexually as well. So all these are part of the, the anti-aging, you know, picture, you know, looking younger, feeling younger, and have the strength, have the, you know, the energy and, and having the, the, yeah, the mental capacity.
Brian (19m 25s):
So if someone in their eighties, have you had some patience in their eighties come to you? Yeah,
Joy (19m 31s):
Brian (19m 32s):
And actually, and, and, and like what's, just give maybe one story of someone that's come to you and, and what, what sort of happened from there?
Joy (19m 41s):
Yeah, so this one doctor, actually, he's a maxillofacial sergeant, actually, you can see him in one of my YouTube videos. I think it's about c UTV kind of featuring my work. So, so this doctor actually came on and, and talked about his story. So he is very active, he's still performing surgeries. He's going to Brazil three times a year to teach other doctors how to do maxillofacial surgery. You know, tons of energy. So definitely, I I I think it's the, the energy level, the sense of wellbeing and, and just maintaining vitality.
Joy (20m 23s):
So I think he started when he was late seventies, 78, 79, somewhere there. Yeah, he still, this is four or five years later, he's still, you know, doing it at least every, I think he's doing every four months. Yeah. So my patients for anti-aging regimen usually do it between every three to six months. So every three months. So basically twice a year, three times, four times. Those are the most common regimens.
Brian (20m 54s):
Okay. And what, just to have a ball, is there like a ballpark or what, like something like, let's just say you do it three times, four times a year. Like what, what, what would that cost someone? I'm just curious.
Joy (21m 7s):
It is based on the person's weight and age and health condition. So in general, it will run between $8,500 to $15,000 per treatment. Per
Brian (21m 24s):
Joy (21m 25s):
Kinda the general rule. A thumb. Yeah. So, yeah, I, I, I think for what people get is well worth it, you know, for the kind of anti-aging benefits. I always tell people, you know, throughout human history, you can be the most powerful king or queen. If they do portraits, you will see that they are aging and declining, and they've probably have tried everything, you know, on the alchemy, you know, everything you can, you can, you can find, but they don't have, they, they don't have the tools. So, so they're all aging and then dying. But now this is the first time in history that we can really extend the length of use.
Joy (22m 11s):
And it, it's pretty exciting.
Brian (22m 12s):
And the goal of stem, I'm sorry, and the goal of stem cell is to improve just the quality of your life. I, you're not professing that it's gonna necessarily extend life
Joy (22m 23s):
Research has shown that it, it can extend life. Of course, you know, we don't have time yet to decide on the, the, how it's gonna affect human longevity. But in laboratory animals, in rats and mice, the results has been pretty consistent. It's about 30% extension of lifespan. So not just lifespan, but also healthspan. So the rats can live a very long time. And for the vast majority of the time that they're living, they are looking great and moving great, you know, they're, they're thinking great, you know, as far as running Macs. So, so they're able to see that, that this anti-aging benefits, you know, goes toward, you know, and, and it's not just the lifespan they, they, and observing how they're looking, they actually looked at different growth factors from their brain, from their muscles, you know, the, the different aging markers, everything was reverted back to the younger state.
Joy (23m 23s):
So they have objective evidence that, that things have, you know, this reversal of aging effect.
Brian (23m 31s):
And is this something as far as the therapy, how long does it take? And like how, like is this, yeah, I guess, how does that work? What's the therapy like?
Joy (23m 41s):
So most of the treatments I'm providing is through intravenous injections. And that, because I do a whole a, a combination of things, including ozone therapy, right before stem cell treatments. So everything together is about two hours.
Brian (24m 3s):
Okay. So two hours. And have you done it on yourself?
Joy (24m 9s):
Many, many times. So as soon as I found out what these cells can do, I just, I was like, I can't wait, I, I need, I need these cells in my body. So that was some six and a half years ago. So that's when I started to do a stem cell therapy on myself every three months without fail. So sometimes I add an extra one, but, but generally, yeah, if I hurt myself, you know, that's, and or right when I found out that Covid was coming to America, yeah, that's what I, what I just tried to boost everything up. But in general, once every three months and that has been, you know, yeah, you look
Brian (24m 53s):
Joy (24m 54s):
Oh, thank you. Thank you. Yeah. So I, you know,
Brian (24m 59s):
I, what would you say the biggest benefits you found? I mean, you're a healthy, I don't know how on my, how old you are, but you, you know, you're a healthy, thriving individual and what would you say, you know, it might be subtle, maybe, I don't know, but what would you say the, the best, this
Joy (25m 14s):
Is a fun exercise for your listeners. Yeah, I came to, to this country in 1992, so people wanna play with math in 1992. So, and I came this to this country after finishing two years of college, so guess my age. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay.
Brian (25m 34s):
Joy (25m 34s):
Anyhow, so the benefits, the benefits that I have noticed, yeah, definitely, actually I think other people I've noticed more than I did. But what I did notice was that I have become very embarrassed when Facebook tries to tell me happy anniversary and is showing me a picture of six, seven years ago. And most people are gonna be excited, look at this me, you know, six, seven years ago, cuz they were younger. But to me, I actually looked older. So that's when I'm just, I'm constantly embarrassed when, when Facebook is reminding me that I've seen, and people have observed, actually people have commented, cuz I started doing YouTube videos probably six, seven years ago when I first started.
Joy (26m 21s):
And I've been told by multiple patients who have seen, had videos, said, well, yeah, you know, you've gotten younger, you know, as time went on, you're, it shows in your videos. So that was really interesting.
Brian (26m 35s):
So you would say for yourself, like you could tell like almost in your face and like, would you say there's energy there or would you say what, what would be the biggest thing you found from using it? You've said for the last, what, six, seven years?
Joy (26m 56s):
I think just general ma maintenance of good health. I think that's probably the biggest part because, and I think it reflects on your face because I think the face is nothing but a reflection of your interior state. So if you see your skin as wrinkling, then all your organs are wrinkling, wrinkling and declining. So the skin is the window of everything that's inside of you. So, you know, definitely, you know, maintenance of energy and wellbeing because, you know, I've worked very, very hard in my life and I've done two overnight calls every week for 11 years.
Joy (27m 40s):
So before I went into the anti-aging field. So in the sense I abused my body, right? So there, there's decline from abuse. So I'm sure stem cells ha has helped me to repair a lot of the damages that I've done to myself. That's why I'm able to look younger and I think that's gonna be reflected, you know, in all my organs inside. Yeah. And of course I'm, I'm, I'm just, I'm very healthy and, and very, yeah, I, I've, you know, I have a lot of energy and as you can, you know, I, I've done a lot because I just, I'm very driven, so, and everything, I guess this human body machine has been running very well.
Joy (28m 21s):
Brian (28m 24s):
Do you do any other tests on yourself or on individuals, maybe like blood work or things just to monitor?
Joy (28m 32s):
Yeah, absolutely. So as part of the treatment, if a person, person has not had a good workup from a functional medicine or integrated medicine doctor, then I will offer to do laboratory tests and we will, you know, a few main areas is, is vascular status, right? Are there vascular inflammation, which can be illustrated by their cholesterol levels and their inflammation markers, but also, you know, their blood sugar status. So that is a huge component of reducing inflammation, is to make sure their blood sugar is under great control and, and check their thyroid hormones and their male female hormones and certain vitamins and minerals.
Joy (29m 18s):
So these are the things that, that I offer to, to optimize. They're, they're a lot more can be done, which, you know, I, I, you know, if, if it requires more extensive tests, then I probably want a person to see a naturopathic doctor or a functional medicine doctor to, to do more specific tests. But I, I think from the range of tests I'm testing, I'm able to take care of 80% of the problem. Some people may have much more, you know, special, you know, needs for certain tests, but yeah, but that's a range i, I provide.
Brian (29m 58s):
Okay. And what other, like, have you been seeing a lot of stem cell practices popping up? I mean, you're in LA so you're probably in the perfect spot for, for this, but like all over the country or the world. Is this, do you, do you find it's been growing?
Joy (30m 14s):
You know, I, I hear, you know, that's the thing I I, I, I certainly sense the interest. There are doctors who are coming to me wanting to do stem cell practice and wanting me to teach them. And, but, but ironically, a lot of people don't know that you can actually get stem cell treatment in, in the us Yeah. So there has definitely been a time where a lot of people, you know, doctors who are doing stem cells, they got scared. They decided not to do it because the F D A said something about if you wanna do this, you better be under clinical study. And so that scared a lot of doctors and they just, they just don't, you know, a lot of doctors are very risk averse, so they're scared easily.
Joy (31m 2s):
There are doctors who are more adventurous, who believes in scientific evidence, believes in doing whatever that's best for patients with the least amount of harm. If they see a therapy as being very helpful and very safe, they will do, it doesn't matter what the political, you know, or regulatory environment is. So, so those are the doctors, you know, and these are always the kind of doctors who are pushing medicine forward. And if you look at our medical history, you know, from the early 19 hundreds, it's always doctors like this that are advancing the field of medicine.
Joy (31m 43s):
So I have tremendous respect for doctors who are staking in there because they believe that they're doing the right thing. So, and, and back to your question about whether or not there are a lot of clinics popping up, I do see more interest. And funny enough, a lot of the interest came from being pushed by patients because I, I hear quite a few doctors coming to me, not because they themselves found out about stem cell therapy and got really excited is because they've got patients who said, I wanna do stem cell therapy, can you give it to me? And they have no idea how they've got interest. So they said, well, I, we already have, you know, I've got quite a few patients asking me, so I think I wanna learn how to do this.
Joy (32m 26s):
That's why I say stem cell therapy, like integrated medicine and functional medicine is a grassroot movement. It's the people who are fed up with the state they're in with the lack of true help for their health, that they are seeking more and they're pushing the doctors. So that's why it's not, it's not gonna go, go away. It's only gonna keep growing.
Brian (32m 49s):
Is there anyone that shouldn't do stem cell therapy?
Joy (32m 52s):
Shouldn't, it depends on what kind of stem cells you're using. So when I first started in the stem cell field, I turn people away when they've had, either they have active cancer or have a history of cancer in the last five years. The more research I read, the more it shows that cancer promoting properties mostly come from cells that are from an adult person, you know, from the same person.
Joy (33m 33s):
A lot of times people who are using their own stem cells, you know, of course, you know, they, they are at whatever age they're at, and the stem cells are the same age, the stem cells decline with them. And not only they decline in their capabilities to help your body heal, you know, to calm the inflammation and modulate your immune system. They're also declining in their ability to recognize cancer. So that's a scary part, you know, as a stem cell that somehow they believe I need to tell everything to grow. You know, my job is to secrete all these growth factors and signals to tell everything to grow. So, whoops, there's cancer cell.
Joy (34m 14s):
Well, I forgot, you know, I, I forgot how to recognize cancer cells, so I'm gonna tell that to grow as well. So a lot of the reports came from these sources of cells. But if you look at younger source, like unlocal cord stem cells, the overwhelming evidence is anti-cancer. Actually, it's being used for as a cancer therapy. So against active cancer, you know, a very elegant experiment was using fat derived stem cells versus OC core stem cells, and they put them next to this brain tumor gl glioblastoma. So they either put the, the stem cells and the tumor in a Petri dish or on a live animal's body.
Joy (34m 58s):
In both cases, the tumor that's next to fat derived stem cells from an adult person, right, they continue to grow. But if it's next to gluco, cord derived stem cell, the tumor shrink and go away. So there's vast difference between these cells. So when people say, oh, I do stem cells, as if, you know, first of all, there's many kinds of stem cells, mesenchymal stem cells, probably the most famous and the most talked about these days. But even if they're all called MSCs, mesenchymal stem cells, depending on where you get them, they can be drastically different. So there's a lot of nuances. This is why, you know, I've been presenting at different conferences on this subject, just so that doctors understand that there are a lot of differences between these different types of cells.
Joy (35m 45s):
And be very careful in what you put into patient's body.
Brian (35m 50s):
And where do you get the stem cells to put an individual's bodies? Do, like, do people donate or,
Joy (35m 57s):
Yeah, yeah. So of course if you use your own body, then you know, that's one story. But for what I do, which I believe is a superior source, these are from donated birth tissue. So that's the placenta and political cord. They come in one package. Basically, the story is when a mother is about to give birth, if they are choosing to do elective, elective C-section, so we only take tissue from C-section elective, you know, not emergency, so elective C-section, because the, the field of, of where you're getting the tissue, it's completely sterile, right? So you're avoiding introducing contamination through the vaginal canal.
Joy (36m 40s):
And the mothers asked if they want to save the cord for their own baby for future, and 90% would say no, because it does cost a few thousand dollars to do that. So if they say no, then they're asked, would you be willing to donate? And, and, and if they say yes, then they're asked to fill out this questionnaire that's very extensive. I asked them, you know, everything about their life, you know, basically anything that could potentially affect the court is asked of them. So their own, you know, their own health history, their family history, their work history, toxic exposure, travel history, sexual history, you know, their, and their prenatal history.
Joy (37m 24s):
So everything is asked, and the lab I work with only accept people of perfect answers. So we only want to accept, you know, women under age 30 and elective C-section and have a pristine history that there's nothing that's concerning as far as infectious diseases, inheritable diseases. So they're very, very healthy. And so even on the day of delivery, they have a slight fever that we're not gonna accept. So we're just, we we're not taking any chances. So that's, a lot of procurement companies will be doing this job. So they, once the woman qualifies, you know, by the way, they can't bribe anybody to to, to seduce them to, to donate because the cell or the, the, the, you know, the selling of human tissue is illegal in the us so you can't even give them a little gift as token because you know, you're, you know, right.
Joy (38m 18s):
Not appearance. So there's no incentive for them to lie in order to have the tissue donated. So anyhow, once the, the tissue is obtained, so the tissue is obtained during the time of delivery, and the per procurement company will be, be right there waiting for the baby. So once the baby comes out live healthy, the cord is cut and the placenta and the blo cord will be put in a saline bag and put on ice, and then overnight shipped to the lab. Yeah, that's how the tissue is obtained.
Brian (38m 51s):
And is, is that, like, is there a lot of demand for that? Or do, do you find you have plenty of like, supply?
Joy (38m 58s):
Brian (38m 59s):
Okay, that's good. I noticed you talk about another type of therapy, key to mind Ketamine, key to mind, ketamine. Okay. Is that similar or, or what is that the benefit to that?
Joy (39m 15s):
It's completely different. There's a whole other ballgame. So, so I, I'm board certified in psychiatry addiction and medicine and anti-aging medicine, right? So that gives you a range of my interests. So I'm interested in the mind and the body. So what, where ketamine came in was when I realized the limitations of stem cell therapy because I can make a person's body, you know, vibrant and healthy, but if they are, you know, having mental blocks, right? If they are,
Brian (39m 48s):
If the mind's not cooperating, doesn't pretty much matter what you do. As far as the
Joy (39m 51s):
Other person, they have obsessions, they have various anxiety, they have p PTs, d they have maladaptive behavior. Just the, just the stem cells is not sufficient. And what ketamine can do is to bring a person to a whole different level of consciousness where you experience life and reality in a whole different way. And in that process, you're observing your own life, you're gaining certain kind of perspective and clarity, and you have a chance to rewire your brain. And that's what they've seen, that it takes your brain to a different type of brain wave. And in that state you can even bypass trauma.
Joy (40m 36s):
So you, you literally rewire your, your brain circuitry. So that I found to be very, you know, complimentary to stem cell treatment because I want people to be, you know, well not just in the physical body, but also in their mind and, and, and, and wellness as a, as a full human being.
Brian (40m 56s):
Right. And then if you do, do stem cell on an individual, do promote any like health style, health healthy, like lifestyle practices that they should do alongside that? Yeah,
Joy (41m 6s):
Absolutely. So I have pre and post treatment recommendations. I, I think, you know, of course, proper nutrition, that's absolute foundation. You know, stop eating junk and highly processed food and batch seed oils and, and, and, and exercise move your body that's gonna activate a lot of health promoting genes. And then detoxify. If you can do some detox programs, great. The, one of the easiest thing to do is just, you know, infr sauna, it can help you a lot. But if you need more in depth, there are other detox programs. So, so these are the three, you know, the, the absolute three basic, you, you can add a lot more, you know, good sleep, you know, laughter, so you can, you can keep adding on, on onto it.
Joy (41m 53s):
But, but I think these three are, are absolutely, you know, minimum.
Brian (41m 58s):
And I noticed you have skincare product. Yes. When did you develop that?
Joy (42m 5s):
About three years ago when I was frustrated about not finding a good product for my own skin. I just couldn't believe how, you know, people could advertise all these supposedly all natural products and then you flip over, there are a lot of components that are not really natural. And I was very concerned about the potential problems with, with toxicity, with, you know, from all kinds of synthetic ingredients. So that's when I just wanted to have the most nourishing and youth promoting formula, but also the safest.
Joy (42m 45s):
So I developed charra on me, and that's where I combined stem cells, different peptides, and then all these natural herbs, antioxidants, and prebiotics all into one. So everything is natural. Even the preservative is natural. So that, that was just a, you know, just a thing I have, I just need to put all natural product on my face because I've, you know, be in the anti-aging field. I've learned too much about the potential side effects and problems with all these synthetic products. So yeah, so that's, and I, I, I think people really appreciate that and a lot of people have the same feelings as I do that they don't want to put all these synthetic material on their face.
Joy (43m 29s):
I mean, skin is only the most absorbent organ of your, of your
Brian (43m 32s):
Body. Yeah. And your largest organ. Right. What would you say the future of stem cell is? Where do you see it going and yeah, W who do you think it, it helps, you know, I guess it's a broad question, but who would it help the most, you'd say, and, and what do you think the future of it holds?
Joy (43m 52s):
I think the future is, is that is gonna be nothing special. It's gonna be everywhere. It's gonna be the most commonplace, it's gonna be a no-brainer. People are gonna take stem cell injections regularly to prevent themselves from declining, and they're going to do a stem cell injection right before they have to have a procedure surgery to, you know, accelerate their healing rate, you know, from what I see at least twice or three times as fast. And if they get sick, they're di you know, diagnosed with something, then use stem cells to help their body to repair, you know, in conjunction maybe with everything, a lot of other things.
Joy (44m 34s):
So it's kind of like, it can be used for anti-aging prophylaxis against infections of, against just, you know, slow wound healing or, or actively fighting diseases. So, you know, I see it everywhere, you know, in all the US military bases all around the world. I think what, 900 of them, you know, anytime a soldier, you know, gets hurt, you know, here get some stem cells, you know, gonna heal so much better. It's gonna save the government so much money. But anyhow, it's just gonna be everywhere. It's gonna be no big deal. We're gonna get there, we'll see how long it takes.
Brian (45m 13s):
See now I know, I know you're friends with Brad Kearns. Now I know why he look so young. You know, he's, he's been going to you. He's not telling anyone. Yeah. Anyways, this was great, Dr. Kong, and where's the best place for people to find you? And I know you have a practice out in la
Joy (45m 33s):
Yeah, so the best place probably, I mean, I have a personal website, joy calling md.com or dr joy calling.com, and my clinic website is, my clinic is called Uplift with a y. So you know, people can reach us at firstname.lastname@example.org or just reach me through my, my own, you know, personal website. Yeah. So, you know, I, in the personal website, I talk about, you know, all the range of things I'm involved in, including my book and, and that's the fun part. So my book, I think people are really gonna have fun reading because it is, has nothing to do with medicine.
Joy (46m 15s):
Yeah, right. I know you, it's simply a good story.
Brian (46m 19s):
Yeah. And that's called The Tiger of Beijing.
Joy (46m 21s):
Yeah, just Tiger of Beijing. That's
Brian (46m 24s):
When did you write that?
Joy (46m 27s):
Well, I, I wrote that actually during medical school and, but I stopped, I stopped it because part of the journey was very difficult. It was very upsetting. I mean that's, you know, otherwise I guess it won't make a good story, you know, it, it was difficult to live through. But if you just have smooth, smooth sailing, you know, great undergrad, great, you know, medical school, who wants to read that, right, right, right. So I went through terrible times, trials and tribulations, and then coming out surviving and thriving. So that's about, you know, how the survival was done and, and how to, how to overcome and, and you know, the tenacity to, you know, to really seek life the way you want it.
Joy (47m 15s):
So that's what a story, it's only about three years of my life how I made it to the us. The first, the first half of the book is, was it based in China, starting with my visa rejection in Beijing, in front of American, American Embassy. So that was my first interaction with, with America was rejection. And then from there, what, where do you go when you have no resources, no connections, no money, just nothing, just a desire. And how do you get to that country? And then once I got to the, to this country in San Francisco, I encounter something that's very difficult for, for anybody. And, and of course for a young girl that have no families and nobody in, in this country.
Joy (47m 59s):
So that's, that's what the story is about. So I think a lot of people, I think probably everybody's gonna find it really interesting and helpful and resonate on some level.
Brian (48m 9s):
Outstanding. Yeah. I'll have to, I'll have to read that one. And it's called Tiger of Beijing. Well, this was great. This was great. All about anti-aging stem cell, and I will put links in the show notes for everybody to, to, to find you. Maybe next time I'm in California, I'll stop by.
Joy (48m 28s):
Brian (48m 29s):
Joy (48m 29s):
Alone. You with Brad?
Brian (48m 32s):
I can't keep up with him. He just,
Joy (48m 34s):
Brian (48m 34s):
Too, yeah. You know, you can't keep up with him, although I have some years on him, so you know, he's, what's Brad? 50 something, I think. But anyways, I appreciate you coming on the podcast and dropping all this great knowledge and we will look out for you as the stem cell specialist out there. So thank you so much and thanks for coming on.
Joy (48m 55s):
Yeah, you're very welcome. It is, it is a fun chat with you. Brian,
Brian (49m 0s):
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Graduated as a valedictorian from San Francisco State University, Dr. Kong completed her medical training at UCLA School of Medicine. As the result of her intense interest in the human brain, she specialized in psychiatry, and worked at a Veterans Affairs hospital and LA county hospital, and helped countless patients in dire needs. While working in the hospital ER and in county clinics, she realized the futility of trying to treat someone without examining the person in a holistic manner, which lead to her interest in integrative medicine. She believes in respecting the complexity of our own microcosm and taking into the account its interactions with the environment. She implemented such holistic approaches while being the medical director of several alcohol & drug rehab centers in Los Angeles.
As she became more familiar with the discipline of anti-aging medicine, she fully embraced its principles of addressing the complex interlinking factors that contribute to declines in the aging process. She became very passionate about regenerative medicine because of the transformative power it brings, and the sound science it is based on. She achieved remarkable success in helping her own patients using regenerative medicine, in many cases people who could not get better for years despite of seeking help from various specialists. Dr. Kong is keen on keeping up with the latest scientific discoveries and technology, and consulted with many regenerative medicine experts from around the world, and has lectured internationally. Dr. Kong is dedicated in educating other physicians on the principles and implementation of regenerative medicine, so a great many more people can be helped.
Dr. Kong is a member of American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine, certified in advanced cellular therapeutic protocols, is board-certified by American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology, and American Board of Addiction Medicine.