Brian (0s):
Coming up on the Get Lean e Klean podcast, what tip would you give someone that I don't know, you know, like middle-aged individual, let's say middle-aged male haven't done much working out. What, what advice would you give them? Just maybe if they wanted to get their body back to what, at once, maybe when they were in their, in their, you know, thirties or so, you know, what steps would you tell them to take?
John (23s):
I would tell them that the window for them, you know, getting in shape or back in shape is closing. Like, you can't, you can't all of a sudden get in shape when you're 65. Sure. Know you can do better. Right? You always improve if you're, especially if you're deconditioned.
Brian (43s):
Hello and welcome to the Get Lean e Klean podcast. I'm Brian Grn and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was, five, 10, even 15 years ago. Each week, I'll give you an in-depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long-term sustainable results. This week I interviewed the inventor of the X three bar, Dr. John jw. This was the third time I've had Dr. Jws on the podcast. And we discussed all about the advantages of using the X three bar, what variable resistance is, along with all the new products in the X three line building muscle with less joint pain, Dr.
Brian (1m 23s):
John's daily diet and is one tip to get your body back to what it once was. Really interesting conversation I had with Dr. Jake Wish. I know you'll enjoy it. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. All right. Welcome to the Get e Clean podcast. My name is Brian grn and for the third time, Dr. John Wish. Welcome to the show,
John (1m 45s):
Brian. Thanks for having me.
Brian (1m 47s):
Thanks for coming on. I'm glad we, we got this together. I've, I've been a big user of the X three and wanted to he heavy on, again, see if we could talk about maybe some updates with the product or any new things that are coming out. So, I guess before we get into that, per people who maybe didn't listen to the first two interviews, maybe just, you know, a short background of how you, what got, you know, you into developing and inventing this product and, you know, just your background from a, you know, education standpoint.
John (2m 18s):
Sure. Started in the life sciences by designing a medical device, reverse bone density loss. So osteoporosis or osteopenia, which is like pre osteoporosis. Really developed it to treat my mother reversed hers in about six months. Totally unheard of. Like it brought her back to the bone density of a 30 year old when she was in her late seventies. And then that, that technology is now all over the world. 260 locations in 12 different countries. That's called Osteostrong. Yeah, the website is osteostrong me.
John (3m 2s):
Yeah, that one's, that one's great. And then in the development of that process, I made a huge discovery about physical performance and training in general. And I wrote a book about it. It's called Weightlifting is a Waste of Time. I know you've read the book, we talked about it on the last show. And it's of course an offensive title for people who are allergic to learning new things. Most of those are found in gyms. So yeah, it's been an interesting bit of time since the launch of that book and all the upset illiterate people,
Brian (3m 40s):
Hey, you know what, it grabs people's attention whether they wanna believe you or not, right. Whether they wanna believe you or not, it grabs their attention.
John (3m 47s):
So, yeah, I mean, like, if somebody asks me is, is weight losing really a waste of time? The answer is no, but Right.
Brian (3m 54s):
Yeah. I mean there's,
John (3m 55s):
There's an approach that is much, much like infinitely better and it has to do with matching your capability to the load you're lifting, which seems obvious though for somebody but me at least as far as designing a consumer product for it. Like there are people in research, funny thing, there are researchers that come up to me at different congresses of medicine and they're like, how did you think of the X three? It's so elegant, it's so smooth. And I look at their name tag and I recognize their name. I referenced, you know, one of their papers in, in this book.
John (4m 35s):
And I'm like, how did you not come up with it? And then, you know, they kinda look at me like, well, I've never developed a product before.
Brian (4m 45s):
Yeah, some people just don't have that mindset, right? Like, there's people who are researchers and then there's people who are inventors. So,
John (4m 52s):
You know, immersed in the data yet it's like no one's going, Hey, you know what we could demonstrate with this data is like that weightlifting sucks. It doesn't really stimulate the body like we think it does, but there's a way to even do even better with something that's way cheaper than weights.
Brian (5m 14s):
Why don't you explain to the audience, maybe you're thinking behind the X three and variable resistance. I mean, obviously bands have been around, right? So I think a lot of people associate the x-rays. Oh, it's just bands, but there obviously there's more to that than, than that. Yeah. So maybe, maybe give that explanation.
John (5m 29s):
Sure. Yeah. Bands by themselves are more worthless than weights. And the problem when bands by themselves is because let's say I have a band and I throw it around my back and I go to do a pushup with it. Well, my wrists are being outwardly rotated. Now if I'm going really heavy, if I'm using a band that delivers let's say 200 pounds of force, that could severely injure my wrist, I mean, just one time. And
Brian (5m 58s):
Yeah, it's awkward. It's
John (5m 59s):
Awkward. Yeah. It's well awkward if you're going light, it's a guaranteed injury if you're going, if you're going anything relevant to strength. Yeah. That's the problem with when you want to get stronger. There is no getting away from heavy. But what X three is, is a very strategic approach to putting the heaviest loads of your body with very close to zero risk of injury if you use it correctly.
Brian (6m 23s):
And yeah, I was just gonna say, yeah, so, so you have the resistant bands along with an Olympic bar. I know you have two sizes now. You got the, what's the first size with 18 inches? Is that right?
John (6m 36s):
19 and a half.
Brian (6m 37s):
19 and half. And the next one the long, now you got one. That's what, what made you come out with that one? Probably for taller individuals, longer arms?
John (6m 44s):
No,
Brian (6m 45s):
No, just people want,
John (6m 47s):
People like to bitch and complain.
Brian (6m 49s):
People who wanted, I will say I have both, I have all your stuff, but I have both. I will say the, the, the longer Barb, I like it a little more in the sense that some with the shorter one, and I know there was a reasoning for it, it, it does feel more tricep based than a, than potentially the longer one. At least that's how, how I would think. But
John (7m 12s):
Yeah, in reality it's the opposite. It's
Brian (7m 15s):
Okay.
John (7m 15s):
It's not the opposite. Okay. You do get more, like if you're doing a chess press with the narrower bar, you are engaging the triceps more. You're also engaging the pectorals more. I mean, let's say I'm doing a, like, I don't know how many people are listening to this only versus watching this. Okay. But we are recording the video, so I encourage you to go on YouTube and absorb the same material twice cuz it's worth it. So if I am taking a wide grip, you know, and I'm coming down, I'm coming up. Is this a sort of a closed position of my pectoral?
Brian (7m 50s):
No,
John (7m 50s):
No. It's not even halfway engaged. Now it's halfway engaged more than halfway. So the shorter the pectoral, the more engaged it is. So in narrow grip engages your pectorals more. The reason people like the wide grip is because it makes you look like you're a stronger person, but you're not. So it's the wide grip. You just go shorter. It's sort of like the, you know, the sumo squat and deadlift. You spread your legs out so far, you only have to lift the bar, you know, a couple inches off the ground. Sure, sure. I see that. And you know, it's like, I mean, are you lifting it I guess, like not in any way that you would if you, you know, were considering safety or, you know, whatever.
John (8m 37s):
Yeah, like, like the wider the grip it is to the shoulder also, you know, if you had like a heavy boulder to move and it was sitting on, you'd get right against it. And you know, tr trying like, cuz your body knows like hands in, in where, where like the shoulders are. Right? That's where you're getting the most energy. Sure. You know, no one, a fighter doesn't want to hit someone like this, you know, they wanna hit someone like that. Like, I mean sure. Shortest pectoral possible. So like, like the wide grip bench press is like, it's for stupid people. Like I just, I'm, I fucking like, dude, if you think about this or no, clearly you didn't think about it.
John (9m 18s):
It it is because if you think about it you'd realize like that's not how you, you are gonna get maximum stimulus into the, into the pectorals.
Brian (9m 29s):
Okay. That, that makes sense. And what about the, let's talk about the ground plate, because I actually think personally my two favorite exercises are the front squat and the deadlift and the, the reasoning is because for one, the safety of it and the fact that it's just, you know, doing deadlifts and trying to load weights and stuff, I don't know, for me it just can, it's cumbersome. It takes time. With this, it's easy and it's safer. You can just drop it down and not worry about whatever weights going places and things like that. And the front squat, I've never been good to front squats, but that's probably my favorite exercise I'd say on the X three because you're engaging everything and it's safer than trying to do a front squat, a traditional one.
Brian (10m 12s):
I give those people a lot of credit with traditional bar dumbbells cuz they're not easy. And so I I I I truly like really like both of those.
John (10m 24s):
Good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean
Brian (10m 26s):
Explain the ground plate a little bit.
John (10m 29s):
So same reason you need a bar. If you're gonna do any sort of relevant to strength bands training, you need something to stand on that the bands can move freely underneath. Right. A platform with a channel that the bands can move underneath that runs about midfoot. So yeah, I mean we have some patents on it. It's pretty simple. Yeah. It's, but
Brian (10m 54s):
It is simple but it works. Yeah.
John (10m 55s):
Forward. Yeah. Yeah. It's how to, how to manage the weight through space so you deliver the most force where you are most capable and a diminished force where you are less capable because you've lost leverage. You know, in the back of a bench press you lose, you know, lose the mechanical leverage. You're sort of just using the elasticity of the joint, which when heavy, like with weightlifting you are damaging the joint. That is a universal truth as much as people don't want to admit that. But, you know, talk to anybody who's been heavy bench pressing for 10 straight years, you know, like doing this would cause too much pain.
John (11m 36s):
They can't do it. Right. They got trouble putting their shirt on in the morning, but I guess, you know, they, they're going to the gym so they think, you know, they got all the answers.
Brian (11m 48s):
Yeah. Definitely easier on the joints. No doubt about it. I mean, I remember when I was doing bench for a while, used to have elbow issues and sort of got away from that cuz I just, you know, the last thing I wanna do is you get older is get hurt.
John (12m 1s):
Right.
Brian (12m 1s):
You know, that's the last thing.
John (12m 3s):
Well also, you start realizing as you get older, a lot of those things that you decided to walk off or rub some dirt on it and keep going are actually permanent injuries.
Brian (12m 14s):
Yeah,
John (12m 15s):
Yeah.
Brian (12m 15s):
And it's tough to disguise them as you get older.
John (12m 18s):
Yeah, exactly. And, and I think that's part of why we shifted our market. Like when we first introduced the product, it was like we were going after fitness fanatics and then we immediately realized just how stupid fitness people are and how unable they are to absorb anything scientific. Like, you know, math addition, subtraction, mystifies them. So you really need to, we, we focus on busy professionals. Yeah.
Brian (12m 48s):
Well that's a good
John (12m 49s):
Market professionals. Yeah. They, they a, they're not afraid of reading. They actually know how to read. They're literate. Yeah. Which, you know, there's a reason why fitness information is on YouTube and, and Instagram pictures and videos. People can't read. Like, not only can they not read a research study, they, you know, probably can't read their cell phone bill. So
Brian (13m 16s):
What about the new, what about the new bands? Talk about those for a second, although that's pretty new and you've been selling out of them pretty quick. What was, you know, tell, tell me maybe what the thoughts behind that. The new newer bands.
John (13m 29s):
So we developed a proprietary polymer, a new rubber.
Brian (13m 33s):
Okay.
John (13m 34s):
That is, it delivers more force in the stronger range of motion and slightly less force in the weaker range of motion. So it's gonna take you to a deeper level of fatigue because you can do more partial repetitions and yeah. Deeper level of fatigue equals more growth. I've been using 'em in prototype form for about a year and they're phenomenal. So great at growing muscle faster.
Brian (14m 6s):
And maybe talk, talk to individuals about the, the partial reps. I'm curious the thoughts behind, you know, the goal I know you talk about with the X three is one set the failure and the last, let's just say five reps should be like half reps. Thoughts behind that
John (14m 26s):
Depends on what the movement is. You know, like in a chess press, it's like the last three reps because Okay. You know, but if it's Ben over row, you might have 15 partial repetitions because the middle of that movement is actually the more powerful position. So the strength curve is very different specifically for that movement. But you know, like, but like squats, one or two partials.
Brian (14m 55s):
Yeah.
John (14m 56s):
You know, cuz you're just devastated already with the variable resistance. You're just devastated. So yeah, it depends a little bit, a bit of it could probably depend on the individual, you know, like we're, we're also looking at, and this is the last part of the book and I've done more research on it since then, found a few more studies, the variability of insertion points. So everybody's origin of a muscle is the same. Like my pectoral originates on my sternum, but on the other end, most people have it right here, sort of like between the two heads of the bicep underneath.
John (15m 39s):
Okay. So it attaches to the humorous bone and brings the humorous bone towards the midline of the body.
Brian (15m 45s):
Okay.
John (15m 46s):
Like that. That's what the pectoral does. But most strength athletes, professional strength athletes, people who are just gifted, people who grew more muscle than most people do in their lives, like their freshman year of high school. The attachment's over here, really, it's the other end of the bomb. And that is really, that has been the traditional thing that defines who's powerful and not. Now we look at these individuals, they have a lever inside their body. We do not. And that lever is made out of some of the most elastic material on earth.
John (16m 27s):
It's tendon. So they're doing variable resistance on the inside of their body all the time. Which is why they have no trouble growing muscle doing all kinds of stuff. I mean I know, I know guys in the N F L that use X three that, you know, I ask about their lifting history and they're like, you know, I never really did any. And you look at 'em and they're like 2 35 and lean and like
Brian (16m 54s):
Yeah, I'm sure there's a genetic proponent.
John (16m 57s):
Yeah. And it's, it's like, it's like cuz guys like that, it's like anything they do, they can take a muscle to fatigue. And so really variable resistance is the gift that the gift it have. But they're just doing it inside their body. We're doing it externally. Hmm. But the result is the same.
Brian (17m 19s):
Has there been some work with the Navy seals with the X three? Yes. I'm curious. Yeah. Maybe touch on
John (17m 24s):
That. Yeah. Navy seals are really enjoying X three.
Brian (17m 27s):
That's cool.
John (17m 28s):
Takes risk out of their training. It cuts down on their training time. You know, Navy Seals will be very well-rounded athlete, but they still, they gotta be strong. Sure. And also a long time ago when Navy Seals first wasn't that long ago when they first started, which I, I think in the late seventies, they were very much endurance athletes also. They didn't really want to depend on technology. You know, the fact that they might be able to grab onto some sort of, you know, device that has a propeller on it that can, you know, drive them underwater so they don't have to kick, you know, to themselves with flippers.
John (18m 18s):
They can just hang onto this sort of trigger controlled torpedo that'll just drag 'em along. They didn't re they, they really didn't depend on technology in the beginning, but they're much more geared towards that, which means they can carry a little more muscle and be stronger because ultimately when they get to their destination, they have, they have to deal with some people, especially if they have to deal with civilians that might be trying to get in their way. They don't want to shoot 'em. So enables them to just be more powerful human beings.
Brian (18m 56s):
Thoughts on some of the, there's some products, obviously you have competitors, right? I've noticed like indirect, indirect, like tonal, you know, that, that have, have been using, you know, variable resistance. I mean I think that's a good thing, right? Competition is a good thing.
John (19m 14s):
Oh dude. Well actually I love
Brian (19m 15s):
Home. Yeah. I think I've heard some great things. I mean it's, it's probably, I think it's probably three, four times more expensive than yours because it's got a screen and a whole deal.
John (19m 25s):
Well the price just went up. It's more than five times
Brian (19m 28s):
More. Oh. Outcome.
John (19m 29s):
It's over $5,000. It's like 5,500.
Brian (19m 33s):
But they probably have a totally
John (19m 34s):
Different audience. What's
Brian (19m 36s):
That?
John (19m 36s):
They gotta install it in your
Brian (19m 38s):
House. Oh right, okay.
John (19m 39s):
And they don't just like, you know, put anchors into the drywall. Like it's gotta be like connected to the frame.
Brian (19m 46s):
Yeah. That's a the process.
John (19m 49s):
Yeah. So like it's a pain in the ass to buy and get in your house and then it only has a 200 pound capacity.
Brian (19m 56s):
Oh really?
John (19m 57s):
Yeah.
Brian (19m 57s):
Oh wow. Okay. I didn't
John (19m 59s):
Know that. Yeah, so I mean it's variable resistance, but very light and you know, I'm just guessing you go over two 50 and just about every exercise you do, especially deadlift chest press and squats Hmm. You know, those are the big movers. So Yeah. In, in, you know, also there's a directional problem. Everything has to come away from that screen. Well sometimes you don't just push one direction through the air, you know, well squat, you know, like the ox squad's awkward.
Brian (20m 36s):
And I'll also say this is, I think one of the things that makes DX three appealing is the fact that you can take it anywhere. You know? And cuz I have clients who use it, who are traveling and you know, you have the bags and stuff and, and it's pretty easy to, to take on planes I'd say, or to check it, you know, but, so you can't do that with the tonal. So
John (21m 0s):
No, you can't take to, no, you've gotta be installed. Yeah. I, I love the fact that the closest thing we have to a competitor is something that's 10 times more expensive has to be permanently installed in your house. You can't take it with you. Yeah. It's capacity. Like, I mean, my wife has already outgrown the capacity of that. And if we had it, she'd be like, I can't use it anymore. I'm too
Brian (21m 31s):
Strong. Well, your wife is really strong.
John (21m 33s):
Yes. She's really strong though. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian (21m 38s):
What else? Is there anything else new on the horizon or any new supplements you've added to the line?
John (21m 45s):
We, we, yeah, we launched Citron.
Brian (21m 48s):
Okay.
John (21m 49s):
So cranium, like the nutrition that I talk about is predominantly, you'd call it low carbohydrate. I take about 15 grams of carbohydrates a day. Okay. I do that in, you know, while, while I'm taking my fortin or in my 40 gen. Okay.
Brian (22m 11s):
That's it every day. So you don't have, you don't bring any carbs in, you're just having protein, pretty protein and fat. Okay.
John (22m 18s):
No, I mean they're the only two macronutrients, carbohydrates are not a macronutrient. I even now there's been so many papers about athletes going zero carb and not losing any performance. Even gaining some performance. So. Hmm. Okay. Not like what I really think that when it comes to nutrition, all research should be done on athletes. I don't really, yeah, because
Brian (22m 57s):
Why, why do you think that is? Because athletes are the, a really small percent of the population.
John (23m 3s):
Yes. However, they're pushing everything to the maximum. Whereas the person who sits on the couch, you know, they eat a vegan diet and it's like, oh, they're fine. So, you know, we'll recommend that everybody, whereas like an athlete will be sick and malnourished and if they get an injury, they won't recover from it. You can ask Cam Newton, he ruined his career. Well, I mean, his attitude also ruined his career. But Yeah. Like, just, just real, they were just not Well and you know, I don't beat up on vegans.
John (23m 43s):
I just would rather explain to them why they really just shouldn't choose that nutrition
Brian (23m 51s):
Pet. Yeah. I mean, my thoughts if someone's a vegan or vegetarian, I mean, at one point I was like a pescatarian, but if, if someone is like a vegan or a vegetarian, they, they probably just have to use some outside supplementation to get
John (24m 3s):
A lot of different,
Brian (24m 4s):
The nutrients and you know, the protein that they'd want, you know, to
John (24m 8s):
Have. Yeah. I say it can be done, it's just a hassle that over the years may not be worth it.
Brian (24m 16s):
Sure.
John (24m 19s):
But so the reason I came out Astron
Brian (24m 24s):
Yeah. I'm, I'm looking at it right now. So it's capsules. Okay.
John (24m 27s):
Capsules. And it's for people who want to change the glycemic index Okay. Of the carbohydrates they're eating. Gotcha. So similar to the, you know, the mechanism of metformin or semaglutide or something like that. But it's all over the counter. It's extracts from different citrus peels and you know, so like, like the reduction in the digestible perceived glycemic index.
John (25m 8s):
When, when it comes to like what amount of,
Brian (25m 14s):
So these are like polyphenols?
John (25m 17s):
Yes.
Brian (25m 18s):
Got it.
John (25m 18s):
What, what, what amount of carbohydrates are allowed to be digested at what rate? So if we can slow it down, we can, we can, we can change the glycemic index. So, so sure. Glycogen doesn't get too high and the insulin can quickly dispose of, of these things. So with Citron you can take some, you need something like a Snickers bar and it digests at the speed and the speed of digestion's. Everything when it comes to if you're storing body fat or not. So now a Snickers bar digests like a carrot, so it's a 16% change.
John (26m 5s):
You're gonna store a lot less of that as body fat, even in a caloric surplus, no deficit kind of got store, any of it. But this really had to do with the fact that I can say 15 grams of carbohydrates a day. That's not what people are gonna do. You know, maybe one one 2% of people will do exactly what I do and they'll get a phenomenal results. You know, you look at some of the people on the forum, they do just, you know, they're in incredible shape and it's cuz they're following to the letter.
John (26m 46s):
But, you know, then I get messages from people that are like, you know, I, I can't do it now. At first I kind of rolled my eyes and was like, yeah, I mean a lot of people can't do a lot of things when they tell themselves they can't do a lot of things like not the right mindset to happen at the same time. It's like, okay, well some people, you know, I, I'd rather give them help even if they're not doing the absolute optimum thing than just, you know, tell 'em to get lost.
Brian (27m 20s):
And also too, I mean I I I think some people do you know what works for you? I, you know, probably will work for a decent amount of people, but some people it, it doesn't work for and they do need to go maybe a little bit of a different route. You know, I I can just say, is
John (27m 37s):
That really true? We've never seen that in any study ever. When the whole like, everyone's different find out what's right for
Brian (27m 43s):
You. No, I hear you. I hear you. But I will say that there are people who have gone really low carb for a long time and you're seeing this a little bit in the, in the, in the health and fitness industry, at least some people that I know who are in it and they downregulate their thyroid and they have issues from that standpoint. And they, and then they start implementing some, you know, healthy carbs, you know, whole food carbs, not processed carbs and, and they get their thyroid back in shape that way. So, you know, if a carnivore wor diet works for one person, does it work for everyone? I don't know. I I I, I think my viewpoint has changed a little bit from that standpoint.
Brian (28m 26s):
I think some people can thrive eating different ways, but you know, I think it, it all comes down to measuring and seeing where you're at, you know, and what your body, you know, like for example, there's people who are, don't assimilate saturated fats as well as other people. It's a genetic, it's a drink. Yeah. And so I've had that done on me. I've gotten some gene work snips done on me. So, you know, yeah.
John (28m 51s):
Now my thyroid unchanged from when I was a carbohydrate to now never functioned all that well. But I think that's part of just being a white guy whose genetics are from, you know, the Nordic regions. One thing I did notice though, I did make a mistake with carnivore, and this pops its head up from time to time is when you eat too lean, you know, you're, when you don't get your essential fats. Now we don't track essential fats, we don't really talk about 'em.
John (29m 32s):
But if you don't get some fat in your body, you know, your eyes don't lubricate themselves. And that to me, like every once in a while you see me just like blinking all the time. Like I'm just trying to, you know, like I have like some dirt in my eye or something like that. No, that's not it. It's like my eyes just can't lubricate themselves. So, you know, when I, on those days where like my wife really likes chicken and she doesn't, she likes chicken a lot more in the steak. Right. I don't see how that's possible, but Okay. Yeah. I just think steak is delicious and I think chicken's really bland, but you know, whatever.
Brian (30m 15s):
And, and, and yeah, I I think where you're going is chicken is a lot leaner, so I mean Yeah.
John (30m 21s):
Yeah. And it causes that problem. If I eat five chicken like five days in a row,
Brian (30m 25s):
Yeah. That's
John (30m 25s):
Like, I'm, I'm like having trouble with my vision
Brian (30m 29s):
Also
John (30m 29s):
Limitation of the eye
Brian (30m 30s):
And ch chicken, you know, it's tough to get a chicken, a good pasture raised chicken too. It could be higher in pfas. Excuse me. So you gotta be careful from that standpoint. But anyways. Has, has your routine changed since, I mean we talked, gosh, when was our last interview? What's your routine like as far as working out and, and your eating routine?
John (30m 57s):
It re so I've been running experiments because I want to do, like, I wanna present like here's five different nutrition plans that are only separated by sort of the level of aggression that you want. Whereas, you know, the peak is, you know, five day dry fasting if you want to get leaner. You know, there's, there's two studies that demonstrate how safe that is. You know, so I don't entertain somebody who's like, that's gonna kill people. It's like, yeah, fuck you Ramadan.
John (31m 38s):
Billions of people do that shit. So you know what you're talking about.
Brian (31m 43s):
Although, is it, don't they eat it? Don't they eat in the middle of the night at Ramadan
John (31m 46s):
Or? Oh, they do.
Brian (31m 47s):
Okay. Yeah.
John (31m 47s):
Okay. But like certain places they don't, you know, like if you're a place where the sun never goes down, they literally like go 40 days with no food, no water.
Brian (31m 56s):
Oh.
John (31m 57s):
Like if you move to Sweden and you're a Muslim,
Brian (32m 1s):
Well that might not be the place to live.
John (32m 5s):
I dunno
Brian (32m 6s):
How many Muslims are in Sweden. But
John (32m 9s):
Yeah, so I mean, you know, if, if, so the point is is they, they did this five day experiment to just see if there's any negative implications and there weren't. And so, and that's, that's for periods of where you, where you just need extreme fat loss very quickly. You know, we're talking losing more than two pounds of body fat per day.
Brian (32m 31s):
Right. And I'm, I'm assuming you're losing some muscle as well or a five
John (32m 35s):
Day no muscle really at all in both studies. Wow. But you know, you're, you're kind of flat on your ass even after you try and recover from a five day, like, it takes you a couple days to just like rehydrate and, you know, kind of get your bearings again. Like Right. Getting accustomed to food again and drinking water is like almost a little challenging. So that, that top level, it's really normally one meal a day. Dry, dry fasted, just during the day that's more like Ramadan and then you can switch over to five day, you know, if you have any fat loss needs.
John (33m 17s):
That's where I'd spent quite a bit of my time about a year ago. And now I'm just sort of experimenting with how relaxed I can go and still see a little bit of progress. So
Brian (33m 32s):
I, I I, I mean not to drip, I do like the fact that you're self experimenting on yourself. I would be curious and you know, you know, cuz you're doing sort of, you said five different things, maybe different levels depending, but yeah, I'd be curious to see, cuz I've done this with myself over the last six months. If you implement some whole food healthy carbs into your life, see what, just to see what happens. You can always go back to eating the way you're eating.
John (33m 60s):
Oh, I, that's been part of the experiment.
Brian (34m 1s):
Oh cool. Okay. Nice. Yeah.
John (34m 4s):
Yeah. I mean there's no benefit to carbs, but you know, like, I'm not eating. So,
Brian (34m 12s):
So have you done that yet? Have you done that yet? Or is that something you plan on doing? No,
John (34m 15s):
I've done it.
Brian (34m 15s):
Oh, you did it? Okay.
John (34m 16s):
Yeah. So, you know, I might do like a month with carbs in a month without, and they're month with carbs. Okay. And yeah, I mean it was mostly like fruits and vegetables. Okay. Now I, I don't, I don't like the entire idea that, you know, we can eat fruit and honey. Like if you're a carnivore and you have high low density lipoprotein high ldl, which is once considered bad cholesterol, you're fine. In fact your cholesterol can be, you know, two 80, your LDL can be two 80, you're gonna live longer because of that.
John (34m 56s):
And there's re there's 10 years of research to prove this. So the premise of statins was wrong. So you have a prescription for a statin. I suggest you find a new general practitioner. I could suggest one from Primal Medical Group, but the ultimately the, it's really the combination of having high l LDL and then going off the rails and eating a whole chocolate cake kind of thing. And then your triglycerides go through the roof. Sure. Okay. So now you've got the inside of your arteries that are sticky and they're hanging on to some of the things that come by like particles of low density lipoprotein that creates a blockage that can create a cardiac incident.
John (35m 51s):
Most specifically stroke.
Brian (35m 53s):
Do you get your cholesterol levels measured and things that, have you got, have you done blood work lately?
John (35m 58s):
Yeah, like 2 35 to two 60.
Brian (36m 1s):
Okay. Do you get like your particle size and all that stuff measured or,
John (36m 4s):
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And it's never a problem.
Brian (36m 6s):
Okay. What about working out, what about what's, what's the routine now? I know on the website, you know, it's, there's sort of a push pull. I've always just, not always, actually yeah, the last couple years I've been doing more of an upper and lower body split. What type of split are you doing?
John (36m 24s):
Same, like on the website. Okay.
Brian (36m 27s):
I don't know if you Okay. Push Paul.
John (36m 29s):
Yeah. I mean there's just something, but like changing the order of, of what you want to do. Like that's one change to the program that I is not detrimental at
Brian (36m 39s):
All. Right. So
John (36m 41s):
Do, do that to find out what you, you know, the way you like doing it best.
Brian (36m 46s):
Okay. And you're doing push pull five days. Are you doing it five days a week or six, six days a week, week off. I know you don't love cardio. Do you, do you do any type of like walking or, oh,
John (36m 59s):
I don't, I don't mind cardio at all.
Brian (37m 1s):
Okay. It's chronic cardio, I guess. You don't like chronic cardio?
John (37m 5s):
Well, I mean, if
Brian (37m 6s):
You
John (37m 7s):
Lose muscle and preserve your body fat, that's what, that's what cardio does. There's 40 years of research on that. Yeah. So yeah, I mean steady say cardio, you won't catch me doing that. Not because I don't like it. I used to, I, I did a triathlon, you know, when, when, when did I do that? I dunno, I was like probably 27. But like I didn't think it was good for me. Like I just did it to do it cuz it was fun. And I also, this particular triathlon I saw Chance I could win and I did. So there you go.
John (37m 49s):
But yeah, it was like, it was like right after rugby season I was playing club rugby and for really competitive team and I was just in such incredible shape. Like, I mean especially cardiovascular shape. Like I could just run, I could run for an hour and you know, no need to slow down, but
Brian (38m 12s):
Yeah, go ahead.
John (38m 13s):
You know, like, like ultimately that research is there and if you wanna be into the leanest and the strongest, which is the two drivers of long life, two greatest drivers of long life, being lean and being strong. Cardio doesn't fit in that equation. Now you might want to do intervals.
Brian (38m 32s):
Sure,
John (38m 33s):
Yeah. Those are great. Or even, even walking, like when you stay away from target heart rate. Yeah. Like walking is dynamite. You have the time.
Brian (38m 43s):
I love walking. I mean, I have two dogs, so I have to walk. Yeah. Do do you walking, do you like, do, do you have any like morning routine or like what, what's that? Like?
John (38m 56s):
I do have a morning routine. I, I, you know, I think you asked me that maybe on our first part.
Brian (39m 0s):
I think. I think I
John (39m 1s):
Did. And I think I was like, I don't have a morning routine.
Brian (39m 5s):
Well, maybe I'll inspire you. Yeah,
John (39m 7s):
Go ahead. My life was changing so quickly.
Brian (39m 10s):
Oh, okay.
John (39m 10s):
Because this company was growing and I was splitting my time between San Francisco and like, I wa I had been traveling for Osteo Strong. I was in Osaka, Japan frequently, I was in Moscow frequently, I was in London frequently. And you know, those places are not
Brian (39m 31s):
Traveling's tough. That that'll take a toll on you if you want, you know? Yeah.
John (39m 36s):
And, and you know, like, so it was like, did I have a morning routine back then? Not really. It was sort of wake up, look around and try and figure out what country I'm in.
Brian (39m 46s):
So now, okay, so now,
John (39m 48s):
Oh, I woke up one morning and I, I think I've been traveling for 20 days straight and I don't think I ever spent more than three consecutive nights anywhere.
Brian (39m 55s):
Yeah, that's tough. And,
John (39m 56s):
And this particular trip was literally around the world. Like I started in San Francisco, flew to Chicago, then to London, then to Moscow, then Osaka, then Hong Kong. And it was like, I woke up and I look around the hotel room,
Brian (40m 13s):
No clue.
John (40m 14s):
And I pick up like the room service menu and it's like, I can't determine what language it's written in. And I'm like, I don't fucking know what country I'm
Brian (40m 25s):
In. Yeah.
John (40m 26s):
And I open the window and it's like, ah, I'm in Hong Kong,
Brian (40m 30s):
Hong Kong, it's not Chicago.
John (40m 32s):
Right. But I mean, I'm just looking at this thing and I'm like kinda looking at the time and like,
Brian (40m 38s):
Oh yeah,
John (40m 38s):
Where am I? Yeah. It's a, it's a very unsettling. So anyways, my life is in flux. Yeah. I mean, I do have a morning routine now. It's bland, you know, I just do the same thing on autopilot.
Brian (40m 59s):
I mean, what, what's it like, do you, do you, first of all, do you do your, your workout or do you, you know, go for a walk or anything like that? Or?
John (41m 8s):
I listen to, I'm at the point now where I, I don't listen to very many podcasts. I have somebody listening to podcasts for me.
Brian (41m 21s):
Okay.
John (41m 21s):
And they tell me what time interval, like go to this podcast and Oh, that's cool. From the 11 minute mark to the 23 minute,
Brian (41m 29s):
There's a company that does that? Or did you just have someone do that after your I think a, there's some things, you know, how you could buy, you know, these apps where they'll tell you certain books to read at. Like, I don't know. I feel like there's something that might have do the same thing for,
John (41m 44s):
I didn't know it was service, but
Brian (41m 46s):
You know. Yeah. I think there might be
John (41m 47s):
Somebody who's just giving me a heads up on some of those. Well,
Brian (41m 49s):
That's cool.
John (41m 50s):
Yeah. And so I catch up on those usually while I'm like shaving my head and my face in the shower. I mean Okay. It's not like there's a lot of prep word for this.
Brian (42m 5s):
Yeah. It might take you a little while to shave. I don't know.
John (42m 8s):
No seconds. Oh
Brian (42m 9s):
Wow.
John (42m 10s):
Like, oh no, I get my head in my face and I don't know, maybe 90 seconds.
Brian (42m 19s):
Oh wow. That's quick. Don't cut, don't cut yourself. No. Going that fast. I mean,
John (42m 25s):
I, I I'm just used to it. Like, it wasn't 90 seconds the first time I did it.
Brian (42m 30s):
Yeah. What also, where, where are we expecting to see the X three? I talked Navy Seals you. I, I have. I know. I've seen some, some NBA guys are using it, so that's cool. Are you, are you trying to get into the athletics?
John (42m 47s):
I like working with athlete. Well I don't think anyone likes working with athletes. You know, there's always a little bit of pre-Madonna there. Yeah, sure. But they're fun. I mean, you know, they just, I I athletes are very convinced they're busy and I'm like, no you're not. You're not busy for shit. Well
Brian (43m 9s):
Yeah,
John (43m 11s):
It's kind of funny, you know, it's like busy doing what? Sleeping until 11. Come on. Show up in the morning. But,
Brian (43m 19s):
Well I don't know if Kobe slept till 11. He was probably up before everyone else doing work, but
John (43m 24s):
Probably, you know, oh there's some,
Brian (43m 26s):
Some of these guys
John (43m 27s):
A conversation about this like now, especially in the N B A but this I see the same thing in the N F L. There's nobody like Rudy anymore that just has a lot of heart and like, you know, was born with less skill. Yeah. Everybody who's there is is
Brian (43m 47s):
Pampered.
John (43m 48s):
No, they're talented.
Brian (43m 50s):
Right? Oh well, yeah. Yes.
John (43m 52s):
Basically they're all so talented that they can rely on their talents.
Brian (43m 58s):
I totally
John (43m 58s):
Get that. Don't working.
Brian (44m 0s):
I, I totally get that. I think there's maybe few and far between guys that
John (44m 5s):
Still Oh, work hard. Sure.
Brian (44m 7s):
Yeah. I mean, I just think of a guy in the Bulls, Caruso, Alex Caruso, you know, he's a small white guy. I mean, you look at him, you're like, how is he in the N B A? And you watch him play, you're like, wow, he can d he can play d he can, he's a point guard and like he was on the Lakers actually for a while. The Bulls got him from the Lakers Caruso. Anyways. But yes. Yeah, I think the modern day athlete's a little bit different than it was back probably 30 years ago.
John (44m 31s):
Sure. I think recruiters have just done an amazing job finding them talented people.
Brian (44m 40s):
Yeah.
John (44m 41s):
And you know, now it's like, you know, get, getting a lot of these guys to really push themselves. You know, they're kinda like, I I've never had to push myself and here I am. So like what do you mean? Yeah,
Brian (44m 55s):
They're so, they're so talented. They just relied on their talents their whole lives. Yeah. But I would imagine once they get to the b a if they, there's some guys I'm sure who, who've made it all by talent getting in the b a and then once they get to the b a they realize, ooh, I might need to start working. Or I be in the,
John (45m 11s):
My speech to the guys that are, you know, totally cool with cutting practice half an hour short. I'm like, look, you can rely on your talents now, but at some point there'll be a younger guy that can do your job. Yeah. And then it's gonna come down to performance, not talent. It's like there's equal talent except, you know, you got a couple lingering injuries and you're not in great shape. And this younger guy, oh yeah, he'll probably be in great shape just cuz he's younger
Brian (45m 43s):
Right
John (45m 44s):
Then, then you lost your contract.
Brian (45m 46s):
Yeah. They
John (45m 46s):
Know traded.
Brian (45m 48s):
Yeah. That's when you start,
John (45m 49s):
You traded for a starting position.
Brian (45m 51s):
Right.
John (45m 52s):
You know, so I, it's, I I I do try and, you know, I don't wanna scare these guys but you know, they're young, they're making a lot of money. They never really had to work all that hard though. Like you said, some do, but it's, it's very much like, you know, when you watch the documentary about Michael Jordan, like he was talented but he also just busted his ass and I mean that's why
Brian (46m 20s):
Yeah.
John (46m 20s):
He was like untouchable for years. Mike Tyson the same, same way. You know, it's, it's,
Brian (46m 26s):
Who is that? Mike?
John (46m 27s):
Mike Tyson.
Brian (46m 28s):
Oh,
John (46m 29s):
Oh my god. Mike, Justin. Yeah. Like the hardest worker and the most gifted person.
Brian (46m 36s):
That's when you got a, that's when you got a dangerous person right there. Who's the combination of those two things? Well this was good. Good catching up. What I, I'll ask you this question before we, we sign off here. What tip would you give someone that I don't know, you know, like middle-aged individual, let's say middle-aged male haven't done much working out. What, what advice would you give them? Just maybe if they wanted to get their body back to what, at once maybe when they were in their, in their, you know, thirties or so, you know, what steps would you tell them to take?
John (47m 10s):
I would tell them that the window for them, you know, getting in shape or back in shape is closing. Like you can't, you can't all of a sudden get in shape when you're 65. Sure. So you can do better. Right. You know, always improve if you're, especially if you're deconditioned. But I, I was, had been developing the X three and doing, you know, just different renditions of CAD drawings and things with, with my team and I got my prototype for X three.
John (47m 52s):
It was like just a couple days after my 40th birthday and you know, I'm probably 50 pounds more muscular and lost 25 pounds of body fat or something. I haven't done that calculation recently cause I'm a little bit better shape now. But it's like you gotta get to that transformation fast if you're over 40 cuz your, your body's not willing to work with you or it's less willing to work with you year by year. So number one is train with variable resistance. Give yourself the advantages that the professional athletes have.
John (48m 34s):
Second thing is you need to understand nutrition. That doesn't mean just being able to repeat the sentence. I need one gram per pound of body weight and protein. You need to understand that like vegetable protein is 9% usable by the body and steak is 38% usable. Like, you need to understand that not all protein is created equal. And you know, that's why I developed Fort Agen. That's why I put put it out. Like it's a easier way to get to your protein requirements without being required to eat three pounds of meat a day.
John (49m 18s):
That a lot of people find that hard. I found it less hard than other people cause I did it for a long time, but would I rather have, you know, two scoops of Fort Agen which go down like lemonade and then eat two pounds of steak instead? Yeah. I'd much rather do that. So that's the second thing. So understanding nutrition, understanding how much protein you need and making your diet revolve around that. And also understanding that there are different, the quality differences in proteins. And the third thing is, and this is part of what I'm trying to do with Primal Medical Group. Like I launched a medical group of 40 physicians last week.
John (50m 2s):
And the point of primal is a lot of people are really unhappy with their physician because their physician doesn't really understand current nutrition research at all. They're probably just repeating what they hear from the AMA and what they hear from the White House and they just say, oh yeah, everybody should be vegan. You know, everyone when vegan would all die about nutrition. Also, veganism doesn't save animals. 7 billion animals are destroyed every year for the sake of vegetable farming. So, you know, we're an expanding species and without exception, all expanding species destroy life.
John (50m 49s):
That's just the way it is. You know, we need more land, we're taking it away from something else. That's how it is. So
Brian (50m 57s):
What's number
John (50m 58s):
Three? I I want people to focus, you know, on finding more educated physicians why I launched my own physician group. And then of course one of the things that this physician group does is does hormone analysis like are your hormones optimized? Sure. With the way western society has been treating itself, you know, eating toxic foods as staples of our diet. Like most of what we eat, we shouldn't be eating. You know, when like we're 70% plant based right now and we're fatter and sicker than ever.
Brian (51m 38s):
Yeah.
John (51m 38s):
Plant based. Clearly not the way to go. So, so a lot of people have been, you know, hyper estrogenic. So they have way too much males have way too much estrogen. Their system. The testosterone suppressed almost everybody's low in testosterone. So optimize that. And so you've got it's three things. So you gotta optimize your strategy to load the body. So that's variable resistance. You have to understand protein and get the proper amount of protein in your body so that you can actually grow muscles. If you don't have the building blocks, it doesn't matter what you're doing. Then the third thing is hormonal optimization and, and having a physician that actually understands that you want to be healthier and understands what it takes to become healthier.
Brian (52m 29s):
I like those. I like those. And, and I like in the beginning you said you took, you know, you, you gotta create a little bit of urgency, you know, if you're
John (52m 37s):
Yeah.
Brian (52m 37s):
Like you said, that window closing, right. The window's closing. I completely agree. And a lot of people don't act until there's some urgency involved. Yeah. And the urgency you don't want is something from your physician saying, you know, you failed a stress test or something along those lines. You, you know, you gotta create that urgency in your own mind. Yeah. And, and, and take those daily steps to, you know, get where you want to go. So that, this is great. This was great Dr. Jw. Yeah. Where, where's, I know you're, you're all over X three bar. Good place to find you. JW biomedical.com is
John (53m 11s):
My new landing page is probably better. It's dr j.com. D o ct o r, the letter j
Brian (53m 17s):
It com
John (53m 19s):
And my, my last name is kind of tough, like j typing in Jake Bush biomedical, you know, people don't get that right the first time. So Yeah. With dr j.com you can get to anything. You know, like if you want to get to Primal, click on Superior Physicians. If you want to get to, you know, you click on Superior Nutrition, it takes you to Fortin Superior exercise takes you to X three plus you can go to any other, well you go to all those websites and then all my social links are there too.
Brian (53m 49s):
And I have a, I've been, just because I've you've been a user of the product, I have a, a link in the show notes for the save 50 bucks off off of next three as well. Oh beautiful. For people to check out, so. Right. Alright, John, thanks for coming on and for the third time and I appreciate dropping all the knowledge on us today.
John (54m 10s):
Yeah,
Brian (54m 11s):
Have a great day.
John (54m 12s):
Thanks Brian.
Brian (54m 15s):
Thanks for listening to the Get Lean e klean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned in this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.
