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Interview with Dr. Greg Dennis: What’s wrong with Healthcare, Testosterone Replacement Therapy and Best Health Markers to Track!

March 5, 2022 in Podcast


This week I interviewed the owner of Vibrant Life Direct Care and Podcast Host Dr. Greg Dennis! We discussed what's wrong with our current "sick" care system, the importance of spending time with patients, testosterone replacement therapy and what are the best markers to get tested when starting with a patient. We also discussed how hopefully more physicians will start embracing the importance of nutrition and finding the root cause of disease as opposed to just treating the symptoms!

0 (1s): Coming up on the get lean, eat clean podcast. Yes. 1 (4s): And we teach them about processed foods. And I tell people to try to eat foods with one ingredient and that, to not really worry about fat, as long as it's, you know, natural, real fat, not fried foods and stuff like that. But, and, and talk to them about increasing their protein intake and limiting carbohydrates. Especially we, we check insulin levels a lot, which is a good indicator of metabolic health and can be a warning sign far before you see an elevation in blood glucose or an A1C, which is a three-month average of blood sugar. And so we look at that, 0 (45s): Hello and welcome to the get lean, eat clean podcast. I'm Brian grin, and I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it once was five, 10, even 15 years ago each week. I'll give you an in-depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long-term sustainable results. This week, I interviewed the owner of vibrant life, direct care and podcast host Dr. Greg Dennis, we discuss what's wrong with our current sick care system. The importance of spending time with patients, testosterone replacement therapy, and what are the best markers to get tested when starting with a patient, we also discussed how hopefully more physicians will start embracing the importance of nutrition and finding the root cause of disease, as opposed to just treating the symptoms. 0 (1m 34s): This was a great interview with Dr. Greg Dennis, a lot of great info that you can take to your primary care physician. And I know you'll enjoy this one. Thanks so much for listening. All right. Welcome to the get lean eat clean podcast. My name is Brian grin, and I have a Dr. Greg Dennis of a vibrant life direct care. Welcome to the show. 1 (1m 56s): Thanks for having me. 0 (1m 58s): Yeah, thanks for coming on. I was on your pie or we recorded on your podcast a few weeks ago and decided to be fun to bring you on, on my podcast, a practicing physician out of Oklahoma. Yes, sir. Nice. And you practice with your wife. How many years have you been working together for? 1 (2m 18s): Well, we both graduated, graduated residency in 2007. We were both in corporate medicine, although she was part-time I was full time. And so we were at the same place, but it was just, just been in the last couple of years that we have our own clinic and now run that together. 0 (2m 37s): Nice. And part of the reason I wanted to interview you was because I would say you're, you're a little bit out of the box in the sense that you're not like a general, I guess, the norm physician that you would see you focus on. Anti-aging you focus on more like functional medicine and getting out of this sort of sick model where we just give prescription drugs per people for certain things, perhaps tell the audience how you sort of got into that and it was that right away. Or is that something that you decided to do as you started practicing? 1 (3m 11s): No, it came later. I've always been into wellness myself, but never really practiced that way as a physician because that's just not how we're taught. I mean, you could go to medical school, you go to residency and you're, you're taught a certain way to think certain way to practice. And I never really questioned that. You know, always looked up to our faculty members and, and the professors, you know, that you think, gosh, they're the smartest people on the planet. And so you never questioned them. And so I practiced what I would call it conventional medicine for many, many years. And I did, you know, what people call evidence-based medicine. 1 (3m 53s): And like most doctors when patients would, would question me, I would say, well, I practice evidence-based medicine. So you can't question evidence-based medicine, even though they're not getting better, you know? And now I know, you know, they should question their doctors, but, but at the time again, I was thinking like most doctors would say, well, would say I practice evidence-based medicine. And so it really wasn't until several years ago, I don't know, three or four years ago. And I just kind of had this epiphany and I, I don't really know how or why, but I just got to thinking one day, you know what? 1 (4m 36s): My patients aren't really getting any better. I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do, but they're not getting better. They, they look better on paper. So if they help, for instance, if they have high cholesterol, my cholesterol medicine, their cholesterol goes down. If they're a diabetic, I have given them all these diabetes medications that's recommended by the ADA. So their, their A1C, their blood sugars better, you know, so on paper, they're better. And so I'm doing everything I'm supposed to do, but they're still sick. They're still fat. There's they have arthritis, they have auto-immune disease. They're still dying of heart disease, strokes. 1 (5m 18s): Their, their health span isn't improving nor is their lifespan. And so I just thought, well, what am I doing here? Like, what are we doing? There's, there's gotta be a better way. And so I just kinda went on this deep dive, this kind of my own journey of, of, of looking at things like how, you know, how can we get people better? And it certainly wasn't an overnight journey. I mean, I learned it. I'm still learning, but what I discovered is there are many things that they, they teach us in medical school and residency that are influenced by big pharma. 1 (6m 1s): And we can talk about this a little bit more later if you want, but big farmers influence in all these governing organizations that kind of govern what we do, the American diabetes association, American heart association, and the FDA. And it really comes down to it's all about money. It's not really making people better. And so anyways, I, I discovered the power of nutrition and I had to really just learn on my own about nutrition because they don't really teach us that in medical school. And so what I discovered was you can reverse many diseases with just nutrition alone and lifestyle changes through fasting and exercise, and that all these medications that we're giving many times, you know, we're making the matter worse. 1 (6m 45s): And so through that journey over the last several years, I have become certified in anti-aging medicine or the certifications called age management medicine. And so I just continued to, to learn in that and really try to go deeper into people's problems and discover the root cause rather than just kind of throwing medications out. 0 (7m 13s): And since you decided to make that change, what, what else changed in your practice? Like w did you dedicate more time with your patients and did you start seeing like more impactful results? 1 (7m 28s): Yeah, so without a doubt, when I kind of discovered all this, when I went on this journey, I was still in corporate medicine at the time. So in corporate medicine, you know, I'm seeing 20 to 25 patients a day. By the time they get to me, you know, I have five minutes to spend with them. And as I was discovering how I could heal people many times with nutrition, I mean, that takes more than five minutes to teach them that. And so I eventually got to the point where I was no longer a fit in corporate medicine. And so my wife pretty open all direct care. 1 (8m 8s): And basically what direct primary care is. It's a model of care where we don't take insurance and people pay a monthly membership fee, almost like a gym membership. And with that, they get just access to us all the time. We have a lot smaller of a practice. And so what we tell people is, you know, we have a small practice that we can take really good care of those people, rather than a huge practice that, you know, it's hard to get in and you spend five minutes with them. And so anyway, so I made that transition over to this style of practice. And so now I have the time to spend with people and can really, again, get into that root cause and, and walk them through this journey. 1 (8m 56s): And, and really, you know, I've, I've seen a ton of results since I've been doing that. And it just keeps fueling me to what I do and that, that I have done the right thing by reversing diabetes type two. That is that type one is a different animal, but, you know, they never told me that, that you can actually reverse type two diabetes. Right. And so just doing that many times improving and sometimes even completely reversing auto-immune disease and seeing people, you know, lose a lot of weight and get off medications. I mean, it's, it's been very rewarding. 0 (9m 29s): Yeah. And so that now you went to more of a monthly subscription model where they, you got cut out for a second. So I just want to recap that's okay. Where they pay on a month. It's not covered by insurance, correct? Correct. Where will, there'll be a time where insurance would maybe cover this or no, 1 (9m 52s): Not, not our style of practice. And I, I don't know that we would want them to, because many doctors and there's, there's more and more getting into this style of practice. They're wanting to get out from the insurance companies, because many times the insurance companies dictate what we can do. And so they're wanting to get out from the insurance company. So I don't think in this style of practice, that, that we would really want insurance to have any part in it. What we tell people kind of what the ideal scenario is, in my opinion, is these people have a, a high deductible type plan. I mean, we don't want them to be without insurance. And so they have some type of catastrophic plan, you know, if they have to be in the ICU or something like that, and then they pay us this nominal monthly fee, and we can take care of most everything and in a preventative practice, like what we have, then hopefully we're getting them well to where they will need the doctor and they're going to stay well. 1 (10m 51s): And of course you've never ever used that catastrophic plan, but that's, that's kind of the ideal. 0 (10m 56s): Yeah, no, that makes a ton of sense. And I would hope that more, this is sort of the future. Right. But hopefully this is where we're going. I don't know if that'll change as long as big farmers and in charge. 1 (11m 7s): Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's slow, there again are more and more people kind of discovering, you know, I guess the inadequacies of healthcare and, and some doctors, but it's, it's slow. 0 (11m 23s): Yeah. And what is your, what are some, are the go-tos that you've been realizing that are working best for patients? Let's just say, I know, you know, I know that you're, you know, low carb role or like what, what type of interventions are you using that, you know, are sort of making the biggest impact with your patients? 1 (11m 42s): Yeah, so we do a lot of education about nutrition and we just, we try to get people to understand that the, you know, food guide pyramid and, and this idea that, you know, you need to eat low fat, high carb is not good. And that's really, what's gotten us into this mess to begin with. You know, I remind patients all the time that if all this would've worked, you know, what they've been promoting all these years, we should have seen a decrease in, you know, healthcare conditions. But instead we're seeing more cardiovascular disease than ever more autoimmune disease than ever more cancer than ever more obesity than ever. 1 (12m 31s): I mean, you're, you're in the Midwest as I am. And I mean, the, the obesity, I mean, more, more people are obese than not, or at least at least around here in my state. And so, you know, I, I tell patients if, if you want to just keep doing that and, and keep being on medications, which people think are the norm, you know, then just keep following those recommendations. But if you want to be different than everybody, which unfortunately different is being healthy, then you know, we teach them about processed foods. And I tell people to try to eat foods with one ingredient and that, to not really worry about fat, as long as it's, you know, natural, real fat, not fried foods and stuff like that. 1 (13m 16s): But, and, and talk to them about increasing their protein intake and limiting carbohydrates, especially we, we check insulin levels a lot, which is a good indicator of metabolic health and can be a warning sign far before you see an elevation in blood glucose or an A1C, which is a three-month average of blood sugar. And so we look at that and I talked to him about foods that can raise insulin levels, you know, which is mostly the, the shivers and the processed sugars and even a fruit Towson in many cases. And so we just kind of walk them through that. 1 (13m 57s): And then I introduce intermittent fasting to them that, you know, maybe going times without eating is a good thing and, and how to do that. And we, we talk about exercise and the importance of that. And we talk about, you know, hormone optimization, which, which I know you're probably going to ask about. So, so yeah, those are all the things that we kind of focus on. 0 (14m 25s): Yeah. What would you say, I know you said a few of them, right? Their fasting insulin, you mentioned hormones. What type of markers do you, maybe, if you have a new patient right off the bat, do you recommend getting tested? 1 (14m 40s): So kind of standard stuff that I use is, or that I check is a lipid panel. Although I don't look at that the way that most doctors look at that most doctors look at a lipid panel and they look at the overall cholesterol, the LDL, which is the so-called bad cholesterol. What I look at in lipid panel is more of the triglycerides and the HDL specifically that ratio. And what that tells me along with the fasting insulin level is that's a marker for metabolic health. So most of the time, what I'm seeing in new patients is they have really high triglycerides. 1 (15m 20s): They have a low HDL, and then, then they have high insulin levels and all that points to, again, poor metabolic health, which is really it's sets them up for, you know, all kinds of chronic illnesses. And so again, we talk about how to, how to reverse that, and if they are metabolically healthy, and I have this conversation a lot, then really the cholesterol doesn't mean anything, even the LDL bad cholesterol, if they're metabolically healthy. And so that's been a big misconception among people and even doctors I think have been kind of deceived, you know, when it comes to cholesterol. 1 (16m 2s): But anyway, so, so I check that we check blood sugar. I mentioned fasting insulin, I check hormone levels. I check thyroid levels, especially in women. It's more rare in men, but middle-aged women and above I checked thyroid. And then I check a vitamin D level on everyone. To me it's one of the most just under, you know, checked things that there is, is that a word under checked And 0 (16m 40s): Under utilized underutilized 1 (16m 41s): Utilized, I couldn't get the word out, but, but you know, it its role in just general overall health in the immune system, especially as it relates to COVID vitamin D is huge. And almost everybody I see, unless they're already taking supplementation is vitamin D deficient. And even most of those people who are taking supplementation, they're not taking enough. And, and most doctors who even there it's rare that, that they check that, but the ones that are, and then recommending supplementation they're way under dosing, in my opinion. And so, and then I checked for mum levels, testosterone in men, well, and testosterone in women as well. 1 (17m 25s): And then all the female hormones, you know, estrogen and other things. So, so that's kind of the standard stuff that I check. And of course that can change depending on what kind of medical problems they have, if they have history of auto-immune disease and that kind of stuff. And we'll let some other stuff. 0 (17m 43s): Yeah. And I don't, I noticed as well, you mentioned auto immune disease. I feel like that's thrown around so much. I mean, there's what, like probably 80 types of autoimmune disease that are out there, some more common than others. Is there a certain protocol that you do as far as like diet that you've seen reversal in some auto means disease? 1 (18m 8s): We don't have one protocol. I think it, it starts as I was alluding to a minute ago, it starts with educating the patient that first they have to buy into the fact that they might get a symptom, at least symptom resolution, but I'm reversal possible reversal disease with their diet. And sometimes that's just a hard concept because they many times they've seen a rheumatologist and they're, they're on these medications that are suppressing their immune system. And the rheumatologist has never mentioned anything about nutrition. 1 (18m 48s): And so many times that's just a foreign thought to them. And so just, just getting them to understand that number one, and then number two, you know, we just try to cut out the inflammatory things first. So the sugars, the processed foods, the vegetable oils. And, and so that's a good starting point and go from there again, we talk about some, some intermittent fasting to help with decrease inflammation. And then it depends on the person. You know, some people can just do those things and get a lot of symptom relief and then some people have to, you know, really just be a lot more restrictive in what they eat. 1 (19m 33s): I mean, I have some people who, who do a carnivore, strictly carnivore diet, and it's actually very successful in treating auto-immune disease. I have one guy in particular who has psoriatic arthritis and he tried just to paleo diet and he, he got better, but wasn't completely symptom free. And so he ended up going strict carnival or, I mean, he's, he's all in, like he eats liver spleen by Musk gland. I mean, all the, all the organ meats. I mean, not many people are going to do that, but that's all he eats. And anyway, since he's been doing that, he has zero symptoms of his symptoms or of his disease. 1 (20m 16s): And so it depends on the person. So there's not necessarily one protocol, but it starts with just educating them about limiting those things that are causing inflammation. 0 (20m 27s): Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. And yeah, I've had, I have had clients get some great results on carnivore and, you know, if they want to maybe down the road, work back in some, some plan items or some fruit and things like that. What, what else do I think other things other than nutrition that you focus on with your clients, as far as let's just say, sleep or stress or any like hormetic stressors. I know you mentioned fasting anything else. 1 (20m 54s): Yeah. I mean, all that's important, you know, stress is a big deal obviously today. So, you know, we, we talk about, we talked about sleep, we talked about cortisol and that's the nice thing about our clinic because there's, there's all these things to talk about that you're not going to resolve in one visit. And so when I was previously in corporate medicine and again had, you know, five to 10 minutes with these people, you know, you're just, you can't get to all those things. And so now at this style of practice, we can focus more on nutrition and then they can come back and we can talk about fasting and then they can come back and we can talk about sleep and, and, and stress and all those things. 1 (21m 34s): Hormones are another big one that we focus on. I'm a big believer in hormone optimization. And so many, many doctors will check. I'll just use men as an example. You know, our testosterone continues to decline from, you know, even 25, definitely 50 years ago, we're seeing men with lower and lower testosterone levels. And so, you know, conventional medicines answers, they keep lowering the norm of, of what a normal testosterone level is. But as you get to your middle age, it's affecting a lot of guys. And, and so that's a big thing that we do is to optimize, you know, hormones. 1 (22m 19s): And I use the word optimization because most doctors will check and say, you're low normal, but you have all the symptoms, but because your quote normal, according to the lab, doctors will say, well, you're normal. You don't need any hormones, but I would view that again, if they have symptoms that I would say, you're not, you may be in the normal range, but you're not optimal. So we optimize these guys. And now that kind of catapults them to make some of these other changes, because if I'm talking, talking to them about nutrition and exercise and fasting, and their testosterone is in the toilet, which it probably is because of the lifestyle that they'd been living, they don't have a lot of motivation because they have, they have low testosterone, so they're fatigued. 1 (23m 7s): And so we get them started on testosterone and then that kind of help help things. And then maybe later we can come off of who knows, you know, maybe not, but, so that's an important piece. And especially with, with post-menopausal women, I think hormone replacement therapy has got a bad rap just because of the whi study years ago, which use synthetic completely different style of hormones. We don't necessarily have to go down that rabbit hole, but by using bio-identical hormones that are safe, they not only can improve health span, but actually in many times eliminate common illnesses that females have like osteoporosis and things like that. 1 (23m 49s): So we focus a lot on kind of hormone on what we call hormone optimization. 0 (23m 55s): Yeah. And with testosterone replacement therapy, this is something, if someone's low in testosterone, let's say they're 50 years old, but if you do start with diet and see if that'll affect diet exercise, and then perhaps go to replacement therapy after that, or is it the other way around? 1 (24m 13s): It depends. If, if they've got a whole lot of, you know, say they're obese and they're on a lot of medications. And then, then we may just start with, with lifestyle modification. What I find though, is that many times it's, it's easier for them. If we, and many people will think that that's maybe the easy way out, but in my clinical experience, I just find that it's better to maybe start them. And then that again, kind of catapult them forward to make all these changes, because now they have energy, they have motivation to do it. And because it's going to take a long time to move that needle, you know, doing those lifestyle changes in hopes that maybe one day we can, you know, wean off the testosterone, but I certainly don't mind starting them off and giving them that boost that many times they need. 0 (25m 7s): Yeah, no, I totally see that because it's sometimes in the beginning, it's all about getting small wins, getting results and just building momentum. And like you said, it's sort of, it might take some time just naturally perhaps to get that testosterone moving where you could do it through replacement therapy. And like you said, get them positive, get them feeling good. And then perhaps down the road wean them off. Yeah. 1 (25m 34s): Yeah. W what you have to be careful of. There's, you know, testosterone is obviously it's everywhere now and you have all these men's clinics, or at least we do around here. And that's all they do is put somebody on to the stockroom. So if a 400 pound man comes in and he has all those symptoms, they're going to put him on to Sasha and to do nothing else. And so I feel like you really need a practitioner that is going to look at the whole picture and not just put somebody on testosterone, but discuss their, their sleep and their stress and their diet and all that stuff. And so just testosterone is, is not the end all be all. 0 (26m 15s): Yeah. And, and then what about for women? Do you see that, do you see women low in hormones, like specifically even testosterone? 1 (26m 25s): So really the same way with men, you know, we've, we've seen a decline in men in, in testosterone and we see the same thing in women. So even before menopause, we see a lot of women with low testosterone and, you know, many, many people don't realize that women have testosterone. Now it's not the main hormone. Like it is in the man, but it is very important in women. Same thing. It gives them energy, gives them their, their sex drive. And, and so we see a lot of women, even, we begin to see a lot kind of peri-menopausal meaning around the time of menopause, but that can start as early as early forties or mid forties. 1 (27m 7s): And we see a lot of women with lower testosterone. And so, yeah, we, we treat a ton of women with just testosterone replacement and then once they hit menopause, then we just add that estrogen in. But yeah, it's, it can be a game changer for women like women, women who are low. And then once they get that replaced, they, they love it. 0 (27m 28s): Yeah. What type of symptoms would they have perhaps have from having low testosterone or estrogen? 1 (27m 35s): Yeah. Yeah. So with, with just testosterone. So let's just say they had a hit menopause yet. They're going to be very similar to men. So they're going to have fatigue, lack of motivation, decreased libido. And that's probably the most common that we see or hear about. I mean, women will say that they're, they're never interested in sex and, you know, we, we check their levels and of course they have almost no testosterone. And then that's also important as we're discussing exercise, as I'm sure, you know, the importance of building and maintaining muscle. And so that's important for both men and women. And so if they're low in testosterone, they're going to have difficulty doing that. And so, you know, many times we'll replace the testosterone and then again, they, they have more energy. 1 (28m 19s): Now they have a sex drive that they haven't had in years. And so they're happy husbands happy. So it's a good thing and estrogen is completely different. And again, that's going to be become low once they get menopause and that's going to cause hot flashes, bachelors, dryness, stuff like that. 0 (28m 42s): Okay. And speaking of exercise is, is this something that most of your clients are coming in and they're, they're not really that active w w what what's like a good first step you would try to recommend for them as far as just, you know, doing some exercises. Is it like a couple of times a week? And if so, what type? 1 (29m 3s): Yeah. So I probably see a skewed population because they're coming, they're coming to me. You know, most of them are insulin resistant, they're overweight, stuff like that. I mean, I'm not kidding, you know, I mean, we get some healthy people, but so really just trying to get them to move. I mean, that's, that's usually where we start, right. Is just move. Whether that's, you know, getting 10,000 steps a day, you know, just, just move. I mean, because if I tell if they're doing nothing, which many times, that's the case where they're starting and I say, need to go, do, you know, CrossFit three or four times a week, or, you know, go, go on a bike ride and go, you know, go join a gym. 1 (29m 50s): It's not going to happen. And so first we just, we just tried to get them moving. And then once we get a move on, we have a fancy body fat analysis in our, in our office. And so we can, we can put them on that, that shows the amount of body fat percentage they have. And as well as shows us lean muscle mass, and it breaks it down kind of segmentally 0 (30m 14s): We can use is that a DEXA scan. 1 (30m 16s): We do not have a Dexascan. Now we have a, an InBody scan. So that Dex is the gold standard, but I mean, super expensive. And, but it, it I've liked it. I mean, it's, it seems pretty accurate, but anyway, so it gives us a tool to start to say, Hey, look, you're, you're really low on muscle. Now that you're moving a little bit, let's focus on building some muscle and kind of talk about how to do that. I mean, we're, you know, we're not, we're not trainers and, you know, so I don't, that's not necessarily what we do. So, I mean, you'll send them to the gym, get them hooked up with other people, but we, we, if nothing else, we stress the importance of it. 0 (31m 1s): Yeah. And I guess through all this, what, what would you say is the biggest downside to just our, our model of health care right now? And what would you recommend individuals doing? You know, if they're just going to a primary care and that, you know, that you're just being put on these, you know, these drugs, what would you recommend and what has to be changed? 1 (31m 28s): I think the whole system needs to be, you know, just shut down and start it over. It's, it's, it's terrible. Like I said, as we alluded to the start, everything, and I discovered this later, everything is, is really ran by, by big pharma and even come to find out even like the medical journals that, you know, I used to look at the studies and say, oh, it's called evidence-based medicine. You know, two, two thirds of their income from these medical journals, like the new England journal medicine and stuff. I mean, two thirds of their income comes from big pharma. 1 (32m 10s): And, and so it's hard on people like me who are trying to really find out the true data. You just really have to spend some time and go digging for it. But anyway, so yeah, there's a lot of problems with healthcare. What I tell people is our current healthcare system cares nothing about your health. It's a big money making machine. And so I think that's probably the, you know, the first thing, the biggest thing that, because so many people say well, but my doctor said this and, and they just don't question anything. And so, but if they understand that our healthcare system is not set up, it does not exist to make you healthy. 1 (32m 55s): It does not exist to make me healthy. So once they understand that, then I would say, take responsibility for your own health. I mean, you're in charge of you, you're in charge of your health. Now, all that being said, I, you know, I have many friends that are still doing conventional medicine and they're, they're good people. So these doctors, aren't bad people. They're doing what they think is right. It's just how they've been trained. And they can't see it any differently. Hopefully more will just like what I did where I kind of got the veil lifted from my eyes, then I can kind of see it for what it is now. But again, they're not bad people. And they mean, well, so I would give advice to take responsibility for your own healthcare, do your own research and find a doctor who is willing to listen to that. 1 (33m 47s): So if you find something online, I'll take vitamin D for example. And you know, you go into see your doctor say, Hey, I'd like to check my vitamin D level. Like, I've read some stuff about vitamin D. And if they say, no, you know, I'm not doing that. That's, you know, there's, there's, I've never seen any evidence of that or whatever. I mean, you know, you, you might need to find another doctor. I mean, you need to find somebody who's going to listen to you. Who's, who's going to be at least somewhat willing to think outside the box. And if you find something that is contrary to what they think, then they should be open to that and they should be open to, you know, continually learning. 1 (34m 30s): And so if they're not, and, and they're closed minded and think that they, they know it all, that's a, that's a big red flag. 0 (34m 40s): Yeah. Yeah. I agree. I think, you know, if you don't, if you, like you mentioned, if you have a primary care physician, that's, that's close minded in that sense. And if you bring information to them and they, and they don't even want anything to do with it, then it's probably time to find someone else because there's plenty of them out there. And I know there's more and more coming up that are a little bit more on the holistic end and, and focus on functional medicine. And hopefully this will be a trend that continues for 1 (35m 5s): Sure. 0 (35m 8s): I guess that, I guess a question I ask all my guests is if you were going to give a one tip to an individual, maybe in their forties, fifties, and sixties, and they wanted to get their body back to what it once was, let's say 15, 20 years ago, what, what tip would you give that individual 1 (35m 31s): Or with all I've just talked about? It's hard to narrow down to one. 0 (35m 35s): I know it's a loaded question. 1 (35m 36s): Yeah. So I had to pick one, at least to start, I would probably say eat foods with one ingredient. And if you, you know, I tell people all the time, if you do nothing else and, you know, because a lot of times I'll, I'll go over all this stuff that we've been talking about with them on their first visit or their second visit after we get some blood work and then you can just kind of see their eyes get big and sometimes they're overwhelmed. And so, you know, I'll say, if nothing else, you don't remember anything else. I say, if you'll just eat foods with one ingredient, you're going to be healthier than most people. And so, you know, I kind of talk about what that looks like. 1 (36m 20s): So, you know, eggs, they have one ingredient, chicken, one ingredient, fish, beef broccoli. And I will tell them, contrast that to a box of Cheerios. You know, it's going to have, I don't know how many greets in box Cheerios, but it's 6, 7, 6, 7, 8, 9. So yeah, that, that would be probably where I would start as eat foods with. 0 (36m 44s): Yeah. I remember I used to tell clients, eat, eat things where you can pronounce what's on the label in an ideal world. Like you said, there is no label and there's one, and there's one word perhaps that might be a stepping stone, right. First find stuff that you can pronounce. And that maybe is not over like six ingredients then if you can get to what ingredient you're right. I mean, honestly, if you don't do anything else, I mean, if you don't see positive impact in your health, then there must be something else going on 1 (37m 16s): For sure. 0 (37m 18s): And do you do telemedicine? 1 (37m 20s): Yep. As of now we keep it within the state of Oklahoma, just because the laws here in Oklahoma are, are kind of gray. And as far as doing televisits outside of the state, as far as the licensing and stuff like that is concerned. And so I think that's probably going to change as you know, telemedicine, you know, it's just becoming more and more common, especially when COVID hit and people just kind of forced them to doing virtual visits. I think we're going to see that change. But as of now, I just do televisions with, in the state of Oklahoma. 0 (37m 59s): Okay. And the, the best place for people to find you, is that on a, about your vibrant life, 1 (38m 6s): Huh? Yep. Vibrant life DC stands for direct care and vibrant life dc.com. I also have a website podcast, your G R a G R E G, Dr. Greg dennis.com. So, 0 (38m 24s): Okay. Yeah. You cut out for a second. Your name of your podcast is fit RX. Is that right? 1 (38m 29s): Yep. That RX. Yep. Yeah. I started that. I don't know about a year and a half ago just because of, oh, my passion for health and wellness and longevity. And I was, I found myself just constantly reading all these books about longevity. And so I thought, man, it'd be great to be able to talk to some of these people. And so I started this podcast and so, yeah, it's been great to be able to, you know, talk to like-minded people like yourself and, and other people all over the country about just health and wellness and, and things. So, yeah, I started that about a year and a half ago, so it's fit RX MIT RX, and it's on pretty much all of the podcast platforms now. 0 (39m 11s): Okay. Yeah. We'll definitely put links in the show notes for that. And I think our episode is probably coming out maybe in the next few months, give or take, so that'll be great and awesome. And well, I appreciate you coming on and it's great to see a family practitioner who is, you know, teaching these methods and it changed over to, from conventional to more of a holistic and finding the root cause of really what's what's causing the problem. So I give you a ton of credit for doing that and hopefully that'll be a trend for other doctors to do that as well. 1 (39m 47s): Yeah, no, appreciate it. And yeah, I hope so and appreciate what you do. You know, the more people we have out there, you know, just trying to make, you know, educate people and make people healthy and you know, the more, more the better. 0 (40m 1s): Yeah. Right. Appreciate it so much, Greg. Thanks so much for coming on. 1 (40m 6s): Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks for having me. 0 (40m 9s): Thanks for listening to the get lean, eat clean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine. And I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned in this episode, feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member. That's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again, and have a great day.

Dr. Greg Dennis

This week I interviewed the owner of Vibrant Life Direct Care and Podcast Host Dr. Greg Dennis! We discussed what's wrong with our current "sick" care system, the importance of spending time with patients, testosterone replacement therapy and what are the best markers to get tested when starting with a patient. We also discussed how hopefully more physicians will start embracing the importance of nutrition and finding the root cause of disease as opposed to just treating the symptoms!


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