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0 (1s): Coming up on the get lean, eat clean podcast. 1 (4s): I want to be the guy when people hear this, like, man, I'm, I'm not going to wait around anymore. I'm not going to wait for just this magical thing to take place. And I'm as fit and as strong, as healthy as I've ever been in my life. Like you're the only person that can make that happen. Like no one can do it for you. And the number of people that have reached out and like, Hey, I would like to come train with you. I'd like to do this. I would like to make the same decision newness. Like, that's great do it. You don't need me. You don't need me. Like, there are way better people on earth that can help push you more than I can. But if you heard something that I said, or, you know, some comment that I made here or there, or listen to an interview that I did and that pushing it was all worth it because I was very thankful to have the people come around me and push me in the right direction. 1 (49s): But ultimately it was me that had to make that decision and kind of buy in and do the work that was going to take and be very patient because it does not happen overnight. 0 (1m 0s): Hello and welcome to the get clean, eat clean podcast. I'm Brian grin. And I'm here to give you actionable tips to get your body back to what it, once was five, 10, even 15 years ago each week. I'll give you an in-depth interview with a health expert from around the world to cut through the fluff and get you long-term sustainable results. This week, I interviewed three time PGA tour winner Scott Stallings. He's been on tour for 11 years and we discussed his path to the PGA tour along with his health journey on how he lost over 50 pounds while being on tour. We also discussed how he stays healthy while traveling also his fasting and eating routine, how to keep his mental edge while being on tour and his recovery methods to stay in shape. 0 (1m 45s): Lastly, we touch on his one tip to get your body back to what it once was. I really enjoyed my interview with Scott. I know you will too, and thanks so much for listening and enjoy the interview. All right, welcome to the get lean clean podcast. My name is Brian grin and I got a great guest on today. Scott Stallings, he's 11 years on the PGA tour and a three-time PGA tour winner. And he's a health nut too, which is great. That's why I got him on. So thanks for coming on, Scott. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so there's a lot of directions I thought about taking this and I, I figured we'd start off perhaps give us a little background, your path to the PGA tour and then sort of your journey, your health and wellness journey. 0 (2m 32s): And so everyone can sort of learn, understand that. 1 (2m 35s): Okay. Well, I grew up, I was born in Boston, Massachusetts, and grew up in East Tennessee. I played college golf at Tennessee tech and graduated 2007. I kind of hemmed and hawed on the mini tours for about 18 months or so at a school I played what's now the corn fairs and nationwide tour when I played in 2010 and then I just started my 11th year on the PGA tour. And it has been a unique journey and kind of two separate parts of her career. And, you know, a lot of it associated with kind of my health side and kind of different things, kind of went through with that. And that's been pretty unique. 1 (3m 18s): I'm sure we'll kind of get into some more specifics as we go on, but you know, at one point in my career I was, you know, 250 plus pounds and I'm not that anymore. And you know, I had a lot of really good people come around me and kind of push me in the right direction and help me make better decisions and kind of learn, you know, what my version of health look like and made some mistakes, learned a lot through the process and continually trying to surround myself with people that are, you know, smarter and way more knowledgeable in the areas and, you know, try to pick their brains anytime I can. And more opportunities to do things like this, to try to, you know, give people an opportunity to learn from the mistakes that I made and, and kind of push people in the right direction, especially to manage new year's Eve when we're, I don't know when this is coming out, but you know, there there's no time like the present. 1 (4m 9s): And I always hear these comments of almond a weight to this. I'm a way to this. Like, let's not wait for anything. Like tomorrow's not promised, you know, people don't know how bad they feel until they know how good they can feel. And you know, when you take care of your body and kind of get treated the right way, it's amazing what it's truly capable of and how much your Testament to that. And, you know, it's been, you know, ignorance is not an excuse. And I was extremely negligent in a lot of areas and learned a lot through the whole thing and thankful to kind of come out on the other side and have opportunities to have conversations like this. 0 (4m 47s): Yeah. And, and, and your story is a great one. The sense that right now, you probably way I was looking at you like one 95 right now you're six feet tall, 1 (4m 56s): Right? Yeah. I'm just under six feet. I got down really low. The lowest I got was one 77 and that was like, like kind of a light rail Covid was a good and bad, I guess. I mean, obviously it was detrimental and, you know, affecting everyone. And I don't want this to be a Covid conversation by any means, but, you know, it was a great for training a man. I could literally came out of it as strong as I've ever been in my entire life. I had a great group of guys that I trained with kind of, we just kind of quarantined amongst ourselves. And I mean, you know, it felt like I put on significant amount of strength and a little bit of size as well. 1 (5m 37s): Not that that was necessarily the goal, but, you know, you kind of got a chance to take yourself away from playing competing on tour. You know, I kind of found early in my career, like during the season I gained weight in the last usage because I struggled to kind of keep weight on and you know, when you're playing, you know, 30 weeks a year, you gotta be diligent as far as understanding what that looks like. And I've always never really dealt with that. But when I got below one 80, that was the time it was like, all right, we need to try to figure something out a little bit, kind of adjusted the way I trained in a little bit of the way that I ate and kinda just to maintain, you know, that kinda like high eighties, low nineties is kinda like my sweet spot of where I feel my best. 0 (6m 17s): Right. Yeah. I think that's an important point is like, I was sort of the same way. I I've never been like, you know, two 50 I'm about I'm five 11. And like, for me, a comfortable weight is right around one 70 and you know, everyone's a little bit different, but you know, I've gotten up to like one 85 as low as probably almost one 60. And you sort of find that sweet spot where you feel like you have energy and you like, you don't look, you just, you know, you just look like not too thin, but not like, you know, you haven't overdone it or like bloated, I would say, going back to your health journey, you were, you know, over two 50, what sort of clicked and, and to get the shape. And what kind of things did you do like diet wise and workout wise to sort of help you, you know, get down to where you wanted to get? 1 (7m 3s): The biggest thing was I had a major like complete signage reconstruction in 2015 and kind of came from a Marriott of doctor strips and this and that. And I ended up at an E and T his office and he did a CT scan on my son. I said, he came up, he's like, you see this, if this was your heart, you'd be dead. And he said, you need surgery as fast as I can get you in the operating room. They said, it's gonna take me about 45 minutes or an hour and it'll change your life. And he basically wrote a ruder, my entire sinus cavity, my throat, my nose, everything in there, and just the ability to breathe. And like I was by no means some kind of like cardio, you know, I just inserted the best, the best way he possibly could. 1 (7m 52s): And just by the ability to breathe properly, in just a very short amount of time increased by 20 points. And with, with not, I mean, I trained for sure, but just the ability to breathe and kind of process, you know, just any kind of cardiovascular stress and be able to kind of push it and push it and push it. So any kind of workout that's like, you know, in that middle range, like, you know, high twenties to like low 40 minutes where you gotta sit there and kind of endure through it. Like I do really well with those. And that was kind of the first part. The surgery was the first part and then kind of died and training and everything kind of followed along with that. 0 (8m 32s): What did you change in your diet? 1 (8m 35s): I did a little bit of everything. I did a food sensitivity and then I kind of did a little bit of the elimination. I did like gluten soy dairy free for nine months and then try to re-introduce it. I mean, I necessarily, I didn't necessarily like have a sensitivity to it. I just wanted to kind of start and kind of see what I felt best on and slowly but surely figure it out, but had a really good buddy of mine, rich running, you know, big and CrossFit. And he called me, this was December. So basically almost three years ago in 2017, maybe four years ago, whenever it was. 1 (9m 19s): And he said, I just started with a diet group and I think you should give it a shot. And I'm like, man, you literally the fittest guy in the world. Why are you on a diet? He's like, well, I don't eat enough. Like I trained too much. I don't eat enough. I like, I don't manage it. Like my body's gonna fall apart. And it's like, well, if you're on a diet, well, maybe I should probably be on a diet. And he introduced me to the people from RP strength, Renaissance, periodization, and Christian Carter. If you're out there watching this, thank you for everything. Never met him. Not one time I met Nick, the CEO, the guy that kind of started the program and done a bunch of stuff with those guys, social media, but actually never physically met the guy that helped me through the whole process, send a picture with my shirt off and my weight for 51 straight weeks and never met the guy. 1 (10m 8s): So he was incredibly helpful, you know, their dot templates and just the uniqueness of what I do on the road and off the road, just with timing and understanding, you know, how to properly, you know, like kind of front-load your day and kind of recover on the back end and understand just what that looks like. They in day out and not one of my days on tour is the same. And just to try to how to adjust different things. And, you know, they kind of went, you know, kind of pushed me in the right direction and kind of gave me a baseline of understanding of like, this is what nutrition looks like. And you're kind of how to balance it from one end to the other. 0 (10m 46s): Yeah. You bring up a point regarding, you know, being on tour and traveling a lot. What is, what is your key to eating well and traveling? Because I think that can be difficult for a lot of people. I mean, I know on tour, I'm sure you guys, you know, have some, have some decent setups there, but in general, what, what do you do when you're traveling and how do you maintain your health that way? 1 (11m 8s): Yeah. I'll give my wife and my kids a hard time. It's like, man, I eat way better on the road. Then I'm winning with you guys. Like, yeah, we were just at the, I was talking before you started recording we're at the beach with my kids and I get a call. My, my kids know how to use the phone and get an idea. And they were like, Oh, we're going to the candy store. Do you want to think? I was like, no, don't don't yes I do. But no. And, but I mean, I'm pretty regimented routine on the road and, you know, try to maintain a lot of, it depends on my playing schedule and my training schedule. You know, we don't really have a time to kind of hear this as like any kind of strength training schedule. 1 (11m 50s): So you gotta kind of have a microcosm of any kind of periodization schedule over the course of a year into a seven day period, which is super weird when you think about it. But with the fact that how much we play, how much we train, how much we travel, like, you know, it's not like, all right, we've got a 12 week block we're about to go into and you're getting ready to play 10 of those 12 weeks. And so you kind of build it up and you know, what facilities you're going to have access to and you kind of plan it out that way. So their team and the group of guys that I work with, like, we can tell you like this week, when I'm down here, you know, my facilities are limited and you're going to make, do with what we have and, you know, kind of build the training around that. 1 (12m 31s): But next week, when I go to South Florida to PRI I know I have basically unlimited training resources. So you kind of build it up and understand what you're going into. And that's the same way. Like kind of know my basics, you know, whole foods, trader Joe's sprouts and, you know, kind of eating around. I was saying a lot of houses on the road and try to have as much control as I possibly can. But traveling last year, I started being really dialed into like when I'm actually physically traveling and intermittent fast on the days that I travel and I don't eat, I don't eat from the time that I leave my house to the time I get to my destination. 1 (13m 14s): And it's one liter of water per hour of traveling. I mean, just, I don't think they will understand that the detriment and like, as far as traveling, I try to get to, it's not as easy as, or I don't do as well as I would like, but especially when you change time zones, by more than a couple of hours, I try to give myself an extra day to get acclimated and to try to get on that time period. And I traveling to that, I do the intermittent and like traveling back, especially overseas, as soon as I'm done with the event, I start operating on the time where I'm going next. And just to where you don't have that lag time of where you can kind of walking around like zombies. 1 (13m 57s): I remember in Malaysia a couple of years ago, I was literally in the gym at like one 30 in the morning. Cause I had like a 6:00 AM flight and I was trying to turn myself back over to get back on Eastern time. And I remember telling the guy at the hotel is like, I need to go in there 30 in the morning. He's like, I need to do this. He's like, okay, go. But just like little tricks like that. And I didn't, I didn't figure that out on my own. I had a bunch of people come around me. I have a great doctor, Dr. Kevin Sprouse that kind of helps evaluate a bunch of different things. And he does a bunch of stuff in endurance sports and, you know, kind of a great resource to have as far as let's try this and understanding health and nutrition and, and how it relates to performance on the golf course and, you know, kind of in the gym and just regular day life as well. 0 (14m 47s): Yeah. I love how you bring up fasting when you're traveling is something I talk about because a lot of times, for most people, first of all, they don't eat really good foods when they're traveling and whether it's airplane food or wherever, you know, even if they're driving. Cause I know a lot of people are driving now. I always say fasting is such a great thing to do and it's good for the body to heal and recover. And, and like you said, it more importantly is being hydrated when you're traveling takes a toll on you, right? 1 (15m 16s): Yeah. I think it's definitely under appreciated the value of like proper hydration, especially when you're in the air or just general just, you know, you're like, well, I'm not doing anything. And I think it's also a good, like mental challenge too, to just see like I'm gonna, you know, and you know, you kinda, I based my travel off of that too, not necessarily like, Hey, I'm gonna try and get there as fast as I can so I can eat something, but a little bit of it, like, I don't want to put myself in like a horrible spot either, you know? So I picked my flights differently and kind of look at it and just a little bit different and kind of know that aren't when I get there, you know, I'm going to go straight here, I'm going to knock my workout out and then, you know, go right to grab something to eat. So especially for like longer like East coast or West coast travel, I will always do some type of like kind of low intensity cardio, like in that like 30, 45 minute window and kind of just shake off the travel and then go right into kind of getting myself acclimated to the time zone that I'm on. 0 (16m 13s): And when you're not playing during your off weeks, what type of, what's your fasting schedule like then? And what, what, what's your eating window? 1 (16m 24s): Yeah, I do. I try ideally intermittent three, three days a week. And predominantly Wednesdays, I was talking about the kind of our training schedule. Wednesday is our kind of cardio interval day and fast. And cardio is no matter in, in week in term and week off week, whatever. That's kind of one of the most important days as far as the metabolic reset, as far as our tournaments are Thursday through Sunday. And I think it's great to kind of reset and kind of get the mind, everything, mind, body, and everything reset and going run into it. And I will predominantly do that always early in the morning on Wednesdays. 1 (17m 6s): So I can have a full feeding window going right into a tournament. And I'm not at a detriment to, you know, when I have to play the next day, but it's a little bit of mental, a little bit of physical, a little bit physiological there's kind of benefits on all sides and mess around with intermittent every single day. And I just found that through the course of the long, especially in the summertime and off weeks, like when they was playing and practicing and training, I guess I did not feel the way that I wanted to feel an off week. I kind of felt like I felt worse after an off week than I did, you know, during the, the week of a tournament where I would just do it the first couple of days of the week and you know, a little bit of a reset, especially when I travel. 1 (17m 52s): So I kind of keep the same kind of mentality when I'm at home as well. 0 (17m 57s): Yeah. I mean, people who aren't golfers, I don't think understand, like, I mean, I played competitively, but more on like an amateur scale, but like one or two days of tournament golf takes a lot out of you and you know, you got four days. I always say, like, I think that's the toughest thing. I don't know what your thought is on that. Like just four days of competitive golf and just keeping your mind right. Throughout those four days, it just makes those off days so much more important. So you're ready to go. 1 (18m 26s): Yeah. I think everyone sees Thursday through Sunday and if that's all we had to do, people would play every week. Right. I don't think people see the travel or the practice or the prep or this and that. Like, yeah, just, you know, a week out, a friend of mine come and travel with me for a week is like, I can not believe you do this 30 weeks a year. I mean, he's like a Thursday morning, we're going to the course. And he just kind of hanging out with me for the wave and he's like, I'm exhausted. And we haven't even gotten through the first round. And I was like, you're not doing a thing, but so, but you know, but golfers are the real athletes. Let me tell you people that are not watching this out, that was very sarcastic. 1 (19m 8s): If you could not hear them a voice. 0 (19m 10s): Well, let me tell you, I mean, you gotta be, I mean, nowadays there's probably more guys in better shape and golf than ever before. Right? I mean, I mean, this was a trend. I mean, I know you're a tiger woods fan from back. I mean I'm 40 or 35. So we sort of grew up during the same time and I mean tiger and like VJ Singh, those guys, you know, Gary player, obviously for a while, those guys sort of brought fitness to golf, you know? 1 (19m 33s): Yeah, for sure. I mean now whether they look like it or not, everyone's doing something, you know, just the way the game is played and just the evolution of fitness and golf and kind of how it's all progressed and, you know, they might kind of play it off or whatever, but everybody's doing something you cannot have the, you know, asymmetrical movement, the volume of times that we have throughout the season and not do something, try to take care of yourself. That guy that's like, Oh, I don't do anything. I mean, he's not going to do it for very long. I mean, your body is going to completely fall apart. And, you know, just to go ahead and see, but everybody's trying to do something, you know, people kind of find the, you know, what works best for them. I mean, the way that I trained is probably a lot different than the way a bunch of other guys on tour train, but I feel like that's when I feel my best and you know, a lot of it is on the mental side as well. 1 (20m 25s): Like golf is very long, it's very slow, you know, involves a lot of patients and which is great. And you kind of know that going into it, but that is complete polar opposite of my personality. So, you know, the idea of some higher intensity stuff and kind of mixing in just, Hey, I can go do the same workout and just change up the variations and get a completely different result. Or outcome is something that I like to kind of gamified a little bit and make it where just to figure out, all right, why did this this way? Let me try this this time. And it's kind of see what, what kind of effect I get out of it better, worse or indifferent and, you know, try to figure it out from that perspective. 0 (21m 2s): Yeah. You speak about the mental side. What type of things do you do? Because like you said, with golf, you've got to have patience. I mean, I can't imagine your rounds. I don't know what they ever drowned on tour is probably five and a half 1 (21m 16s): Longer than I say there. 0 (21m 18s): I was going to say five and a half hours. I don't know. It probably depends. Right? Like it's a major, I'm sure it lasts longer, more difficult golf course and things like that. But what kind of things do you do on the mental side when you're not playing or when you are playing to sort of help you get through? 1 (21m 35s): I made a little bit of it is focused on the things you can control. And that's like, I mean, I'm not trying to be cliche, but that's truly it. And ultimately like I've got some different sayings and that kind of stick with that mean you have two things you control every single day, your attitude and your effort. And I mean, if that's truly the way that you approach every situation you're going to be all right. And like my seven year old, I have a seven year old son and he, you know, he'll start complaining about something. I was like, how's your attitude? He's like, I don't want to hear about my attitude right now. I was like, well, you know, are you like, are we trying to achieve something, you know, for a, for a greater outcome or a different outcome, because you're not happy with the current state of things. 1 (22m 17s): And like, I think people are waiting for that like magical fairy to show up and like fairy godmother, like, boom, like all your problems are fixed. And like, man, unfortunately it doesn't work out like that. And you know, people kind of sitting back on their hands and we'd started talking about that before you started recording. Like, I want to be the guy when people hear this, like, man, I'm not going to wait around anymore. I'm not going to wait for just this magical thing to take place. And I'm as fit and as strong, as healthy as I've ever been in my life, like you're the only person that can make that happen. Like no one can do it for you. And the number of people that have reached out and like, Hey, I would like to come train with you. I'd like to do this. 1 (22m 57s): I would like to make the same decision newness. Like, that's great do it. You don't need me. You don't need me. Like, there are way better people on earth that can help push you more than I can. But if you heard something that I said, or you know, some comment that I made here or there listen to an interview that I did and that pushing it was all worth it because I was very thankful to have the people come around me and push me in the right direction. But ultimately it was me that had to make that decision and kind of buy in and do the work that was going to take and be very patient because it does not happen overnight. 0 (23m 32s): You know, you talk about your journey, you lost, let's just say you lost 50 plus pounds. You know, it probably took you a while to put that weight on. And some people think that they can just take it off in like six months or a year. They don't realize, I always ask, you know, how long did it take you to put it, took him maybe decades to put that weight on. I said, you know, it's going to take you maybe not decades, but it's going to take your time to get it off. Especially if you want to do it the right way. 1 (23m 56s): You know, the biggest thing is when I tell people a lot as I was playing, when I did it, it's not like I took six months off from the tour. And like, I'm going to go figure this out. It's like I was, I mean, probably in some ways it was a detriment in some ways it was a huge positive. I mean, there's, I can look at it two different ways, but I think there was a lot of different things that go about it. But like I was actually playing on the PGA tour, going through this, you know, trying to understand macro nutrients and all these other things like, Oh, I've got to look at all right. This is this day. All right. I got to make sure I map it out and kind of go from there. And I think the biggest thing is like, when any person gets in there kind of a, you know, dietary or like nutrition consulting is like, they end up eating significantly more than they think they are. 1 (24m 44s): Because like, ultimately it all comes down to math and understanding caloric deficit and output and everything like that. But also when you operate at such a deficit for so long, eventually like you just get into this holding mode where you just can't shed anything and your body's going to take into any and hold on to anything that you put into it. So you see those like crash dots and whatever. And that's why you see these people doing these like huge ebbs and flows instead of something that's actually sustainable. 0 (25m 11s): Right. W what I know there's a lot of different camps now, Kito camps, carnivore camps. Is there a certain camp that you like, or that you found is right for your body? Or do you have your own camp? 1 (25m 26s): Okay. I would say I'm strong in the meat camp. I'm not carnivores. I mean, I'm add love steak. I love cooking. I love grilling. I love all that stuff. I would not say the idea of carnivores sounds great just to try it, but I'm sure after like a week, I'd be like, all right, I'm over this, but I'm not at Quito at all. I do Hans that, which is probably surprising to a lot of people, but that was kind of something that the RP guys, just a little bit from a cognitive side, I'd say high fat relative to like normal baseline. And definitely nowhere near though in the keto world, by any means I'm moderate, I'm moderate carb, but predominantly most carbs, like through the first part of my day, I guess you could say front load it, but I'd say the most important thing that I do is especially on the road is like your last meal. 1 (26m 26s): And I started messing around with like some sleepy recovery stuff, as far as trying to whether it was carbohydrates or fat or sugars, or kind of whatever, and kind of had to find that perfect go-to meal before you went to bed. And I shouldn't mess around with it with some of the people from whoop that, you know, do all the sleep recovery aspects of what we do. And it was crazy to see 0 (26m 51s): How it, how it affected your sleep, what you ate and then what time you ate as well. Right. 1 (26m 56s): For sure. And I kind of built this little routine, what I was doing. If I knew when I was going to go to bed, like having the, the most consistent time in bed and time awake, you know, consider, especially for people who have, you know, similar work schedule and stuff. It's pretty easy to do. Like, you know, more than often when you're going to go to sleep more often where you're going to come up, like wake up and kind of filling in that perfect gap of like cold shower, food teeth, brush, lights out, everything. And man, I started seeing my rim and my slow way of my deep sleep just drastically recover. And you hear people like you're eating like half fat yogurt and carbs, like right before you go to bed, like, yes I am. 1 (27m 39s): And when I wake up in the morning, I could literally lift, pick up my house, like just waking up and just feeling like I could run through a brick wall. So 0 (27m 47s): You talk about like a night routine and I think it's so important for people to get quality sleep. And like you said, using the whoop band, which I actually just got, we could talk a little bit about that, but yeah, having that, that, that night routine, what now, when you talk about eating and what time you stop eating, because for me, I had a CGM for awhile, like a continuous glucose monitor. I just want to see where, where my levels were at is I found that if I finished eating earlier, it helped my sleep. Is that something that you've found as well? And do you, do you have a certain time that you sort of cut it off? 1 (28m 24s): Yeah. And there's definitely a certain time that I cut it off, but I think, and also it goes into the volume of what you're eating, but I think, and I'm way more diligent on this, on the road, because more than likely I have trained and I have practice. So that means probably, you know, 60, 90 minutes in the gym and then a full day of playing and practicing. I mean, your caloric burn and output for the day is just, I mean, you're on, unless you just, I mean, you have to try very hard to just match up what you output for the day. So that lasts meals and you're not waking up in the morning, like ready to eat your pillow. Cause that's what I was struggling with. Like I couldn't like I couldn't stay asleep cause I kept waking up like I'm starving. 1 (29m 8s): So they kind of adjusted a little bit of some of the stuff that I was doing. And I asked her to add that in and start saying significantly improved sleep throughout, but routines, everything understanding, like what did you do when you wake up? What you're doing? You won't go to bed. I got struggled a little bit with some supplementation stuff early in the day. So my first cup of coffee is literally a delivery mechanism is I have everything set up. I get in there, you know, a little bit of college and a little bit of creating glutamate and everything. And I'd just literally turn then. I mean, if you're, if people aren't coffee people, it just kind of whatever, they can build it in their routine where they know they're going to kind of get it in. It doesn't matter how you do it. 1 (29m 49s): And just kind of making sure you ability to put it in there. 0 (29m 53s): So you talk about more, well, you talk about morning routines, I'm a big morning ritual guy and I, I noticed you added in there you're you do a cold shower. So some cold therapy, which I love. I've gotten into cold plunging. I did one last night. I haven't done it in awhile and in Chicago in the winter, it's not always, you're not always like, Oh, I want to do this because it's really cold outside. But do you do any cold plunging? And you mentioned cold shower. 1 (30m 22s): I do. I have a, I'm a horse trough in my barn and my gym. I've got to industrialize machine. And if I was home more like out by the freezer, tub and everything and do it, I just don't want to have to basically start it and start it, you know, kind of stop and start coming in and out for me and on the road. And that's the best. One of the best I've ever felt was with my buddy, Josh bridges and San Diego is a barrel sauna and he has a freezer tub right beside each other. And we need some contrast and oughta read off light. And I literally went on, landed from my red off from San Diego back to the East coast as like I literally texting him. 1 (31m 3s): It's like, what did we just do? This is the best I've ever felt off her Rita. So we basically did 200 degree barrel sauna intervals with one minute, like Coldplay and gin. Like it was like water was like 34 degrees. We you're sitting there and just going back and forth, back and forth, back and forth. And man, it was incredible. So that's the most ideal. That's like the, the unicorn, but you know, maybe you could try to find that, you know, I prefer cold better than hot. I do like hot, but there's a lot of times, especially where we play is predominantly more on the warmer side and the cooler side. So cold is a nice contrast from when I'm in an everyday basis. 1 (31m 46s): I don't want to sweat for eight hours and then go and do it again. Yeah. 0 (31m 50s): I, the contrast is a great thing and I always say like cold therapy. I mean, you could just do a cold shower. I've just was reading a Wim Hoff's book, even just like at the end of the shower, 15 seconds of just, and it helps you sort of, you talk about breathing, you got to really breathe through the cold. So if you want to learn how to breathe, that's one way of doing it. It's just going to get really cold. 1 (32m 16s): Yeah. And just put your head like, just, don't like, don't be the guy that's like dipping his toe in the water, just get in there. Right. Fat, the faster you learn, how to deal with it and you'll figure out what kind of mood you're in. Especially if that's how you start your day. I was talking while I'm at, from a whoop. And he started talking about, he just took cold showers all the time. And he's like, I just figured out real quick earlier in the day, like what was going to be my attitude, like adjustment for the day. And I just turned that water on and got in there and I was just ready to deal with anything. Yeah. 0 (32m 47s): Yeah. And, and you know, we talk about recovery. I think nowadays there's more recovery devices coming out every day. I noticed with you with the whoop, I just got one I'm I'm two days into it. So what's that. 1 (33m 2s): So all your numbers are great for like the first five days and you know, people see like my posts and like they're different colors and this, like, why am I great? And she's calibrating you. I figured it out. So use the journal man. That the journal is the best feature they have. 0 (33m 17s): Yeah. Just notice that. Yeah, I got it. I got to take a look at that and I'm sure as I go along, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll have questions and I'll learn how to use it more and more to my advantage. What about, I noticed those power dots, maybe speak on that as far as recovery, 1 (33m 34s): It's great, man, super mobile. As you know, you can do it anywhere to any part of your body and super easy to travel with stimulation and it's different programs. Basically. They have, you know, kinda preemptory, you know, kind of before training and then after training and then kind of injury prevention they have, or basically injury recovery. And that's the different programs that you can do. You can create your own as well. Like I have one just from the constant rotation, I've got one that I put on my hip and like I do it all the time and I, it to travel with 0 (34m 17s): Your right hip. Okay. My left hand. I'm a righty. 1 (34m 21s): So you're, so you're a slider. Most of the most left hip guys with left hips, they slide through the hit instead of rotate on it. And so you're either a slider or a rotator, you know, you're one or the other, right. So your left hip slides and then you kind of soup around it. And that's why you're you're you actually don't get the left hip out of the way. So you're actually, you know, kind of tilting into it. And that's why most people, you can tell which hip bothers the gray matter, what side golfer you, what side you play. You can tell what a person's Gosling is about which hip bothers them. 0 (34m 57s): Well, I've been trying to get rid of that slide for a while. So when you said I'm a slider, I'm like, God, dang, I've been working on that for awhile, but I have added some rotation in, but you know what? I think I've learned at least for me, cause there's a lot of ways of swing it and there's sliders on tour. Right. And there's guys that wrote a hundred percent, you know, guys like Dustin, who just freakishly rotate and Yoakim Neiman guys like that, that just it's unbelievable. Right? You sorta got guys that are in between to, you know, I would probably say you're maybe more of a tweener. 1 (35m 33s): What would you say? Hop, hop, push out of the ground a lot. So that's why I liked that force like shooting out of the ground and I can bright just over three X, my body weight at the hip, but that puts a lot of pressure on my low back and just kind of the way that I create power, you know, someone that, you know, a relatively average to slightly above average club head speed, I can still hit it out there based on the way that I deliver through the hit, you know, you know, ball speeds and, you know, distance and stuff. That's, you know, kind of in that whatever, you know, slightly above average or whatever. And I think they should have a way to kind of optimize the way through the hit. But powered out of is a huge part of that. 1 (36m 16s): And you know, they're great to have as a partner and kind of come alongside and I think more and more guys have realized like, you know, I've done it on airplanes, I've done it in cars. I've done it basically everywhere you can think of and pull that thing out and you get the person sitting beside you on the airplane, like what in the world is got to. Yeah. So, 0 (36m 35s): Well, you know, like those wands, those gosh hyper vault. I use that one. I love the portability, I think like, especially for you, right? Like all the travel, like if you can have these little portable devices that you can bring, I know there's a few different companies, obviously not just the hyper vault just for, I like, I love using it just right before I'm playing, you know, just to get moving. 1 (36m 58s): Yeah. Hyper ISIS became a official partner of the tour, so they're nice to have them on. And then they have their pro their products everywhere at every single event. So it's nice to have them along for the ride. 0 (37m 9s): Yeah, no, I love that. My hyper volt maybe speak on, I know this probably gets brought up a lot. It's interesting. And I can talk about the tour for a long time, but de Shambo, we talk about, you know, us, you know, you losing weight and it's interesting with him putting on weight like that and generating all this speed. Do you, do you see yourself? And I'm not saying you putting on weight, but like, do you see more guys trying to chase speed? 1 (37m 40s): Oh man, it's the, it's the new thing on tour. Everyone trying to figure out, you know, cause you know, the closer you are to the green, the more opportunities you have to the closer and then a McCombs comes to analytics thing and yeah, that's become a huge, a huge part of the game. And you know, it is what it is. You know, everyone has their own choices as far as how they go about doing it. And he's found tremendous success and you know, an opportunity to do things that no one's ever seen before in the world of golf, just as far as some of the distance stuff, to be able to play it at that have a level, the sustainability of that would be potentially a concern. But right now he's been great maybe champion and it's very, but I mean, he almost led the tour and show me and put it in last year. 1 (38m 28s): So that's what people don't think. I mean getting almost two shot, you're almost going key shots around putting like it and you can hit it 50 the games, the games, not very hard. So 0 (38m 40s): Yeah, exactly. You're gonna win. He's gonna, he's gonna compete for a long time. As long as he stays healthy and you know, a place like Augusta, obviously it'll be, I think a place he could win a few times if he keeps it up. You know, what, w what would you say some of the most fit guys on tour are, would you say if you have to pick a handful of them, 1 (39m 2s): I think there are a lot, it depends on what your definition of fitness is. I've trained with Rory, I've trained with Carmelo, never trained with tiger. I've talked to tiger a lot. I think it just determines on whatever, like, I mean, cardiovascular endurance, Camilla Vegas, I mean, he would like to go ride his bike around the whole state of Florida. Like, I don't want to do that. Right? No, thank you. But just different things like that, but there's some other guys that have their really cool fitness stories, Morgan Hoffman, you know, battling muscular dystrophy and just kind of how you go and compete against the best players in the world while battling just completely debilitating disease and, you know, managing that. 1 (39m 44s): So, I mean his health and wellness stories pretty remarkable and just all the different things that he's had to deal with and going about doing it. So I think it determines what your definition of fitness is. Obviously Dustin is incredibly sh you know, super athletic Brooks is super strong. I think it just determines on what you know about, I would say my definition of fitness is a little bit different than others, but I'm not great at anything, but I'm pretty good at it a lot. I guess that's what you, I don't want to, I don't want to put myself in a situation where I couldn't go into a, some kind of fitness environment and not just like, I'm not saying Excel, but just kind of hold my own and whether we're going to go run, we're going to go ride a bike. 1 (40m 30s): I have other things that I would prefer to do, but I would say more often than not the thing I'm probably not the best at is gymnastics movements, a little bit of concern just for shoulder and different things like that. And then my swimming sex, like absolutely sex. So, and I think that's a little bit of just opportunity and, you know, just, I would prefer to run and do different things like that from a cardio perspective, then go, try to figure out where I'm going to go. 0 (40m 60s): Yeah. And I think when you talk about golf and fitness, I think it's sort of your walk, that fine line between being strong mobile and having speed. Like, for me, I've always been in the lift lifting weights and I always felt like I didn't want to get my chest like crazy. I always always, it was like a lower body guy, just because, you know, not that you can't play well with like a bigger chest, but you know, it sort of can, it could perhaps perhaps prohibit you from swinging the way you want to swing, you know? 1 (41m 32s): Yeah. I think all that kind of stuff goes with, you know, personal preference and I've gone of gone through some stuff through this off season, kind of found some different things. I tore carloads or five of my ribs and 2012 and never recovered, never properly healed them correctly. So I have a ton of right men to my swing. And basically I bought that with some hip mobility issues, some different things to kind of go about basically the way that I was training, but come to find out that there's so much scar tissue built up in my ribs, excuse me, I'm trying to get into my lats that when I would come down to swing, I would basically go in protection mode throughout. 1 (42m 14s): So that's been some interesting therapy sessions to have that all kind of dug out and to see the rotation and kind of the way that my back swing kind of delivers in there. And yeah, you kind of learn to train around that and, and kind of build up some, some more opportunity to get your body in a position where you can deliver the club the most consistently. And you hear guys train all different ways and, you know, everyone made that big deal about when Brooks won us open. He's like, well, I trust, you know, whatever, two 25, so many times they're like you did that. And that's what works. That's what works for him. Like, I mean, the guy went four majors, like, why are we knocking that? Like to each his own man let's if that's what works best for him. 1 (42m 56s): And he goes out there and performs at a high level, like, what does it matter how he drains? And, you know, you can say the same thing about a bunch of different guys out there. 0 (43m 5s): What would you say? Just few more questions. What would you say sets apart? Some of the guys that are just winning majors, as opposed to some of the guys that may be, you know, w what's the difference would you say? I know that's sort of a broad question. You talk about mental or short game. Is there something that like you try to own in to try to Excel? And I know it's like a, such a small margin between being whatever 200 in the world and being number six in the world, there's such a small margin. What do you think that is? 1 (43m 35s): Opportunity when you get a chance, like taking full advantage of it, and then understanding that, you know, this, this is around where things are doing this and things are doing that and understanding that just because you can doesn't mean you should, but when you do have the opportunity, the ability to kind of step up there and execute, I'll tell you a stat. I got just a couple more minutes before I got to hop off here. I gotta, I've got to run around my kids. 0 (43m 57s): That's my, my dog, my dog is like bothering me too. So 1 (44m 0s): Yeah, we got I'm finished. This was two years ago. I finished exactly a hundred on the FedEx cup list, like 100 in, into the playoffs. I was number a hundred. And I met with a stats guy in analytics. And he started telling me this number. He's like, I'm gonna tell you one number 58. I'm like, man, that's a great score. He said, that's the margin of error that you have for the year 58 shots. He said, 29 shots better. You are in the tour championship nine shots where she'd lose your job. Wow. That was over the course of that was over the course of 31 tournaments. Wow. 1 (44m 41s): Yeah. Those staff of what I was 29 shots better. I would've made the cheer championship. 29 shots worse. I lost my job. 0 (44m 49s): If you divide that by how many rounds you played, right. You're talking point whatever per round, right? 1 (44m 55s): Yeah. Really, really unique margin of error. So a cool way to look at it, but also like your every round you're kind of on a live stage. So you see all these analytics that are trying to gain here and do this and that, and kind of match it up as, I mean, you can see how you kind of get yourself down a rabbit hole real quick. 0 (45m 11s): Oh yeah, no, I see that. Well, I'll, I'll, I'll, we'll leave with this one last question. What would you say to individuals? Maybe middle-aged individuals, you know, people like myself and yourself, even though I don't really consider them. I'm not, middle-aged quite yet. Well, 40, but if they wanted to get their bodies back, you know, like you sort of have your own story, let's say, you know, you see this a lot. People give kids, they get busy. What, what, what one tip would you give to that individual to try to get their bodies back to what it once was maybe, you know, 10, 15 years ago, 1 (45m 45s): Make one better decision and start building off of it. Then I think people take these, especially, I mean, no more important than now being that we're new year's Eve going in and, or was like, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. And then that makes something that should be encouraging super detrimental. And it's like, I can't even do this. Like, I'm gonna, I'm going to sleep. I'm going to eat better. I'm gonna train every day. I'm gonna do all this. I'm losing 50 pounds. And it's like, next thing, you know, like you're two days. And you're like, I hate my life instead of man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a, I'm gonna try to drink this much water a day. And that's what I'm focused focus on when I'm start, build that habit, building that habit. The next thing you know, you start building off clothes like, well, because of this, then I could go to bed and I slept a little better than it started to go. 1 (46m 29s): Well, I slept a little better. So then I can wake up a little bit earlier and I can go, I can go to the gym before I go to work. And it all sorts of cascade upon that instead of the opposite, when you do this, build this impossible challenge of this whole life overhaul on top of your, just your normal everyday life. And I think that's where people kind of get in their own way and make one better decision build off of that and kind of take it from there. 0 (46m 56s): Yeah. I love that. I have this little tab on my computer. It says one thing at a time, because I think when you get caught up in a bunch of different things, nothing gets done. Right. And you can equate that to golf, right? Like you see guys go in circles where they want to do this, then they do this, then they, and then they change and do something like pick one thing, get good at it. Right. Like you said, whether it's health or golf. And then once he got that, then move on to the next thing and you'll start seeing results. 1 (47m 22s): 100%, man. I think people would, you know, to try to make it harder than it really is. And, you know, be super diligent, be very patient and, you know, find a good crew of people around you to kind of keep you accountable and help pushing you in the right direction. Yeah. I love that. Well, Scott, this is great. My first golfer on the, on the podcast. So thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. Awesome, man. We'll keep putting them good worn out and hopefully we'll do it again sometime, but no, thanks for having me on. Yeah, that'd be fun. Thanks cam. 2 (47m 53s): Thanks for listening to the get lean eat clean podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine. And I appreciate that. Check out the show firstname.lastname@example.org for everything that was mentioned in this episode, feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member. That's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again, and have a great day.