Brian (0s):
All right. Welcome to the Get Lean, Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn, and I have Rick Scalan. Welcome to the show.
Ric (6s):
Thanks, Brian. Happy to be here.
Brian (8s):
Happy to have you on. And we're gonna touch all on herbal and naturopathic medicine. You know, you've been in that market since like the eighties.
Ric (18s):
Yeah, I, I actually started, right, let's see, it was probably in, in the late seventies, early eighties when I started my journey in education and herbal medicine and, and you know, diagnostics and the naturopathic medicine. So I've been at it a while. Yeah.
Brian (37s):
What, what got you interested in, in that sort of niche in health and wellness?
Ric (43s):
You know, it, it was more of a spiritual journey than anything else. I, I really wanted to, you know, deepen my connection to nature. And I, I, I spent a whole night meditating, looking for some, some answers to questions I had about, about nature and about spirituality. And, and it all led me to, to, to, to plants. And, and that was my, the beginning of my, my studies, you know, that was probably back in, in early eighties.
Brian (1m 13s):
And yeah, I mean, that was probably before it's become a little bit more in the mainstream. Right. I mean, you were, you were probably one of the pioneers when it comes to like herbal,
Ric (1m 24s):
You know, it's interesting, Brian, if any of your listeners know, you know, the names Herb Farm and Ed Smith and, and Gaia and Rick Scalzo. We were the two pioneers back then. You know, we, we were speaking about, you know, wild, wild crafting herbs, organic herbs, and making tinctures and fluid extracts and, and really just gaining a, you know, listening audience.
Brian (1m 52s):
Wow. Yeah. And I mean, back in the eighties compared to Now, I mean, how, how much has it changed? I mean, I'm sure there's a lot.
Ric (2m 2s):
Yeah, yeah. There's been a lot of change in a lot of evolution, which is good. Sure. And, you know, but one of the things I noticed over the last period of time is the, the herbal indus industry has really gone more towards isolation and purification of products. You know, where we, we now see a lot of what I call Phytopharmaceuticals Brian, where, where you see turmeric products no longer sold as turmeric, but they're sold as 95% curcumin. And, you know, we're seeing a lot of that these days. And it's kind of disturbing to me in a way because it's disconnecting us from the wisdom of nature.
Brian (2m 46s):
Yeah. And there's been obviously a lot more players in the market. What do you say to someone who's looking to, you know, learn or implement herbal medicine as far as, you know? 'cause I know with supplements a lot of times it's a bit like the wild, wild west, right? Like there's not a lot of oversight and try, you know, finding a, a company that really does it right is probably, obviously most important.
Ric (3m 12s):
It is. And, and also, you know, I've always said herbal product is only as good as, as the herb from which it's made. So, you know, understanding and knowing who your producers are, your pro your brands are, and knowing where they're sourcing the herbs is really important. We've gone through an evolution where, when I started the concept of organic was fairly new. You know, everybody's talking about wild crafting herbs at that time, and then organic became the thing. And, And now in the last couple years, it's about regenerative organic. And so there's been quite an evolution of, of, you know, the supply chain.
Brian (3m 51s):
Yeah. And you always wonder just in general, like when something's organic, like is it truly organic, right? Like, you know, you go to like, I don't know, whole foods, and you buy an organic fruit, you're like, well, how, you know, they say it's organic, but, you know, I don't know. I, I always wonder there's a little bit of skepticism from that. What, what your thoughts around like, around that?
Ric (4m 16s):
Well, it, it's, it's an interesting question. You know, I've been on the regulatory side of the, the organic industry, and that means the USDA National organic program governs everything that we did when we grew herbs organically. So there are a lot of agencies now that are authorized by the NOP program, the National Organic Program, to go and inspect growers to inspect their farms, to be sure they're following the organic standards. So that's the world I've lived in, Brian. And, and the only time that I've seen something that's for me questionable is when I visited an organic farm in China and where, you know, I I, I questioned their practices and sure enough, you know, even though they were quote certified organic, they really weren't.
Brian (5m 11s):
Yeah. And, and you also wonder that when it comes to like grass fed and pasture raised, it's like, is, are there, you know, are they really following these guidelines? You would hope so, right? There's this level of trust, but, you know, I guess unless you actually visit these places, you don't actually know for sure.
Ric (5m 29s):
Yeah. And, And now we're seeing the, the emergence of regenerative organic, which is, you know, you know, a massive improvement over organic, you know, small things, but, you know, having big, big differences and, and that's the world.
Brian (5m 47s):
Yeah. I was gonna say, maybe explain to the audience what regenerative means. 'cause you're starting to see that in the, in just, you know, the general market and people are probably like, well, what does that actually mean?
Ric (5m 56s):
Yeah. We are seeing it, aren't we? Yeah, yeah. You know, well, just to say a few words about organic, you know, we're talking about organic farming, meaning free of chemical fertilizers, the use of compost crop rotation, using organic agents, you know, to enrich the soil to, to continue to build up soil integrity, cover cropping, and so, you know, so forth. But with regenerative organic farming, we, we have some premises. And, and the first one is building up the soil food web. And what that means is paying attention to the vast diversity of the microbiome of the soil so that our, our soils become alive again.
Ric (6m 42s):
And and I really do mean that, you know, co conventional agriculture, chemical agriculture has really, you know, killed our soils. There's, there's hardly any life in, so the big premise of regenerative farming is doing things that build up the microbiome of the soil. And one of the ways that we do that is through low till or no-till farming. So the concept of keep your soils green instead of, you know, brown is, is interesting because you always want have a carpet of carbon on, on your soil in order to sequester the carbon in the atmosphere. And, and 'cause plants need that carbon for their, their growth and development.
Ric (7m 23s):
And, you know, the other component of regenerative farming is, you know, do what you need to do to build up nutrient density in your crops so that your, your foods, in my case, our herbs become much, much more nutrient dense and you get much more out of them when you consume them.
Brian (7m 43s):
Yeah. And regenerative agriculture is definitely, hopefully it's a growing field because you, I do start to see it a bit more, there's like a, a few companies I order some like meat from, like, one of 'em is like force of nature. I dunno if you're familiar with the, the brand force of nature, but I'm just curious, like, it, how much more expensive is it to, to have a regenerative farm versus just, you know, industrial like milling or, you know, farming? Well,
Ric (8m 13s):
You know, you know, I, I mentioned soil, food, web, and the microbiome in the soil. We, we don't buy implements or we don't buy fertilizers, so there's a big cost savings there. Oh, okay. We actually, we actually go out, this is what we do, Brian, we go out and go to the forest floor and harvest a little half inch layer from the forest floor and bring it back and bring, bring large pickup trucks back. And, and then we add rice semolina to it, and then we add molasses to it, and then we add some herbs to it, like cinnamon and cloves and coffee grinds, and our coffee, coffee hulls.
Ric (8m 53s):
And then we mix this up, and then we ferment it in large vats, and we make our own microbiome, if you will. And from that base microbiome, we actually make our own organic fertilizers and our own pathogen controls. So we have a big cost savings, we do a lot of chipping of, of decaying material. And all the material after our harvest goes onto our beds instead of is removed from the farm so it can decay back into the soil and create more carbon. And I think, you know, one of the things that, that people ask me, what do you get out of all of this?
Ric (9m 35s):
And, and I'll, I'll give you an example with turmeric, we, we noticed converting from organic to regenerative organic, we got, our fields went from 15,000 kilos per hectare of yield to 80,000 kilos per hectare. Wow. And our, our crop went from about two and a 5% curcuminoids to about 8.5%. Hmm. So when you calculate that in terms of yield on both biomass and activity on nutrient density, and then the savings you have from making your own inputs, it, it, it's actually not, not more costly, but it's actually a savings to grow regeneratively.
Brian (10m 21s):
Wow. Well that's good to know. Yeah, I mean, we always talk about nutrient dense foods And you know, you go to the grocery store, you're buying fruits, vegetables, and hoping that you're gonna get the nutrients that are actually in it. But, but how much do you think it gets stripped? Like from just, if you went to buy an apple, let's just say, or, or like an orange from a, you know, normal industrial, you know, farm versus a regenerative farm, like, what would you say the difference is between that? I know you said it for, for turmeric, but I'm curious like, just like someone went and bought like an orange or something. What's the big difference there? Yeah,
Ric (11m 1s):
Yeah. We collaborate a bit with Rodale, the Rodale Institute, and which is doing a lot of study on, on different food crops for, with regenerative farming. And, you know, you're seeing anywhere from two to four times increase of nutrient density with regenerative agriculture. Wow. And, and so those numbers, those are resolving from real research and, you know, it's, that's really meaningful when you're talking about your nutrients in an apple grown organically or grown conventionally versus regeneratively, you know, getting two to four times more nutritious apple. I would eat that apple, wouldn't you?
Brian (11m 42s):
Yeah. I'd pay more for that apple, which I'm sure does. Did, do you find that since like you do regenerative farming, there can be a cost that's passed on, even though you said it might even be less expensive to do it Regeneratively?
Ric (11m 59s):
Yeah, I, you know, I actually, you know, the farm that IO own and operate in Costa Rica is the sole supplier to my herbal products company, cocoa, which is the us And we, we charge, even though I own both companies, this farm in Costa Rica charges cocoa a high, a premium for the regenerative herbs. And I collaborate with two other regenerative farms in the US and they too charge a premium. And I'm willing to pay it, you know, because I know the value and I can extract the value from it.
Brian (12m 37s):
Yeah. And your company, Korra was started after you launched years ago, Gaia, which I think you sold that in 9, 20 19, or is that right?
Ric (12m 49s):
Yeah, right at the end of 2019.
Brian (12m 52s):
And how's Korra been? And And what, what are you, what are you, what are sort of your, your goals with, with that company?
Ric (13m 0s):
Yeah, so Korra is founded on regenerative principles, and we can talk about that later. But, you know, the concept of, of Roco cocoa was to leverage off of the kind of crops that I could grow in Costa Rica and bring regenerative herbs into regenerative products so people can benefit from all that we're talking about. And, you know, we started, the company really started developing the narrative and the brand identity and demographics about two years ago, two and a half years ago, and really launched products into the marketplace in the natural food industry about while it was last October.
Ric (13m 43s):
And, And now we're, we're approved in to sell. And I think it's close to 600 stores in the, in the natural product space. And we're on Amazon and we're selling on our website. So we've really made a lot of progress and there's been great, great acknowledgement of what we've done, you know, with the whole regenerative space.
Brian (14m 5s):
Are there many other companies, 'cause I've had a few others on the podcast that do what you're doing with regenerative agriculture because you'll see organic, but, you know, they're obviously, I feel like regenerative is a step above.
Ric (14m 20s):
Yeah, regenerative is a big, big step above. And in the product space, you know, with herbal products, I think there's just a few companies who are consuming, using regenerative organic herbs. But what GOCO doing is doing is really very special and very exciting because we're actually developing, you know, those regenerative grown crops into products that are then certified as regenerative organic. So we have the, the Regenerative Organic Alliance seal right. On our product.
Brian (14m 54s):
Hmm. And then do you test your products just, you know, for, to make sure that they're the purity of 'em and everything,
Ric (15m 3s):
Every product, you know, it's not, yeah. Yeah. I mean, every product has to be tested for purity. And what that means is we test for the total, you know, microbial, you know, profile, and we for heavy metals. And so when I say microbial profile, that means the aerobic plate count, yeast, molds, salmonella, e coli, coliform, and, and, and so forth. And, you know, and, but more importantly than the purity, we also, well, two other things. We also test for identity to be sure that the genus and species of the plant is accurate. That's very important in, in the herbal world.
Ric (15m 44s):
And then when I sold Gaia herbs, I started a institute at the naturopathic college that I went to in Arizona, which is now Sonoran University of Health Sciences. And we established the Institute for Botanical Research. So every product that Korra makes is now tested for through bioassay cell line studies to show clinical efficacy And, you know, in vitro clinical efficacy, efficacy. And So we are going above and beyond to, to test our products in, in ways that not only prove safety, but also prove efficacy.
Ric (16m 27s):
Mm. And that's the, that, you know, your, your consumers want, wanna know this is the product that I'm taking safe and efficacious, does, does it work? And is it safe for me to take? And, and I think ever since I was at Gaia And now at Korra, these are the questions that we continue to answer.
Brian (16m 45s):
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Brian (17m 28s):
So there you have it. I'll leave a link in the show notes for my stepladder system book now, back to the podcast. Yeah. And do you like, I mean, through all your years of, of, you know, being in the product space, but, you know, learning about, you know, herbs, like, is there any like stories that you have, like things that maybe, you know, you've been impacted from, from, you know, your products or the herbs?
Ric (17m 52s):
You mean in terms of benefits?
Brian (17m 54s):
Yeah, yeah,
Ric (17m 54s):
Yeah. In a good impacted, in a good way.
Brian (17m 57s):
Sure, yeah. Or you know, someone. Yeah.
Ric (17m 60s):
Yeah. I, I mean, you know, I used to be in practice and I saw over 10,000 PE people before I went into Gaia. I started Gaia And now Korra. You know, we, we get people all the time telling us how much energy they have, how much more mental clarity they have, and how they feel, just more vital. I mean, you know, and I'm, I'm really proud to say that, you know, we, we can really use cocoa now as an implement to connect, you know, plants and people in a way that, that lifts our environment up and potentially lifts the quality of wellbeing up.
Ric (18m 40s):
But there's so many people, Brian, that, that call us, that write us all the time and, and tell us how, how much benefit they're receiving
Brian (18m 50s):
Either. Do you have a favorite, like, I, I noticed, I'm just looking at some of your products, you know, like for sleep, you know, this is a topic that comes up a lot for us. I notice you guys have something to help with sleep. Is that, is that a popular product?
Ric (19m 6s):
Well, we're, we're, we haven't launched it yet. It's called Regenerative Sleep. Okay. And in that product, we are definitely using all the regenerative crops that we grow in Costa Rica. But the, the big ones are for sleep is it's largely passion flour and lemon balm. Those are two important sleep herbs. And I, I'm a real fan of those two herbs. And they really give the physiology a calm state and, and just, you know, put you into a state of, of well, your, your nervous system into a parasympathetic state. And yeah. And when you extract them from the way we do, they get really concentrated.
Ric (19m 47s):
So they, they bring very good results. But, you know, one of my favorites is, two of my favorites is ashwagandha and turmeric. You know, Ash, so many people are interested in ashwagandha these days. And, and gosh, we grow a lot of ashwagandha in Costa Rica and we, we grow it, well, we, we test every single field that we grow in Costa Rica for, for bioactivity. And so, so when it comes into a product, the product is really, really potent.
Brian (20m 19s):
Is that, when is the ash NDA out yet?
Ric (20m 23s):
Ashwagandha? Yeah, it's coming out next, next week.
Brian (20m 26s):
Oh, there you go. Yeah. Well, when, when people hear the podcast, it'll be out. Yeah. And, And what are the properties for that as far as helping people with like, you know, stress and stamina and things like that?
Ric (20m 38s):
Yeah, so Ashwagandha is one of your, your royal adaptogens, which means it helps you adapt to stressful situations. And interestingly enough, you talk about sleep, and for those people who have a stress physiology to ashwagandha can help sleep better. But on the other side of the coin, Ashwagandhaand is well known for providing more energy in, in daytime activities. It's, it's one of my favorites, and it can regulate the hormonal system, the adrenal system, the thyroid system. And it's, it's, you know, it's just one of the great, I, I would say in IRV, there's a term that is used for Ashwagandhaand, it's called Ana, and Ana is a term that implies, you know, rejuvenation.
Ric (21m 30s):
And ashwagandha is one of the classic Ayurvedic ana for rejuvenation and longevity. So, you know, who should take ashwagandha? You, me, you know, our neighbors, our friends, pretty much anyone who's, who's wanting to, you know, to have good, stable adaptation and energy in their life.
Brian (21m 53s):
And what was the other one you said you liked?
Ric (21m 55s):
It was turmeric. Oh,
Brian (21m 56s):
Turmeric. Is that, is that one for sale?
Ric (21m 58s):
That, that too is coming out. Okay. Both of these are coming out around June 4th, so yes, by the time this airs, yes, it'll be in the markets. And one of the nice things about these, these crop, these products, they're, they're all triple concentrated. So we've proven how growing regeneratively concentrates the activity in the soil. And then we take it through two more layers of concentration. One is a liquid extraction, and then the next one is freeze drying that liquid into a powder, which concentrates two more layers of concentration. So the products are, are real potent and really vital and don't have excipients and really pure
Brian (22m 44s):
Yeah, I'll be looking for that. So that'll be out by the time we, we, we publish this podcast. I like to ask this question, and you've been in the health space for a while now. What's like one thing you've changed your mind on?
Ric (22m 60s):
Whoa. Can you,
Brian (23m 2s):
You know, yeah, it could be nutrition based, it could be lifestyle based, it could be around products or, you know, what's one thing that, you know, maybe you've changed your mind on over the last, you know, 30 years or, you know, you've been in the,
Ric (23m 17s):
I have been in the industry a while, Brian, 35 years, and I don't know, I, I'm gonna just maybe flip it a little and say, I, I have been right from the very beginning, a real, a real voice for adhering to the wisdom of nature and, and meaning in everything we do with plants, we, we follow the guidance, the intelligence of nature. And I've never, never vacillated from that. And there were things that came up, I'll ll tell ya a story where, where I i how we changed perspectives on certain things.
Ric (23m 60s):
Do you remember in, in, I don't know, it was many, many years ago, green coffee berry came into the industry.
Brian (24m 9s):
I think I remember that. Yeah. Wanting to
Ric (24m 10s):
Take it for weight loss.
Brian (24m 12s):
Yeah.
Ric (24m 13s):
Yeah. And so at the time, Gaia was considering launching a green coffee berry extract. And I, I was looking for ways to, to accommodate, you know, and we couldn't find a way to do it with our set of principles and integrity. So I gathered the executive team together and I asked everybody, let's vote. And I said, is launching green coffee berry aligned to the values of our company? And we had 10 people go around and vote. Everyone voted no. Hmm. And that was, that was the one thing that I remember clearly about how it changed our perspective and how, you know, we show up and confront values and really, you know, align to values even if it causes us to change our perspective.
Ric (25m 6s):
Hmm.
Brian (25m 6s):
Yeah, that's a, that's a good point. And I mean, and for you, just for you, like there's one thing to like find products that are beneficial for individuals, but they actually build a company out of it. That's a whole nother big layer. And so, you know, to your, I mean, that's, that's a great appreciation of what you've been able to do with Gaia And now with Korra, what's the biggest challenge that you've, that you run into when it comes to building a, you know, a company around, you know, great products,
Ric (25m 38s):
Always, always the first and foremost challenge is supply supply chain. Can you sustain the integrity of, of your raw materials of, And you know, as you grow a company out can, you can continue to supply, you know, your products with the same quality and integrity of raw materials that you started. Hmm. You know, and, and that's all, you know, I, I have said that from day one in both Gaia And now Cocoa, we need to focus on our, our supply chain. And that's why we, we have our own farms and that's why we have partner farms in the US because we wanna do it. Right. We only do it.
Ric (26m 18s):
Right. And, and starting from regenerative crops is in my mind right now, the, you know, the highest and most, you know, loyal form of, you know, making herbal products.
Brian (26m 32s):
Yeah. Yeah. That, that makes a lot of sense. And what would you say, like, you know, other than the products, like what's the big, you know, with, well, I should say this with the products, like what, what benefits should people be looking for when it comes to the products? You know, I know we talked about sleep, we talked about stress. Are there any other, maybe energy? Are there any other, like if someone's, you know, maybe struggling with, I know weight loss is a big thing and people want the magic pill, and I, you know, I don't, I'm I'm not one to say, you know, one thing's gonna do it. Right? It's sort of a lifestyle that needs to encompass, you know, losing weight. But are, are there any products that can maybe guide that person on along that journey?
Ric (27m 18s):
Well, I think everybody's needs states are different, right? Your, your needs states are different than my end. And I think it's the, the, the question is, you know, how, how in touch are we, you know, with our needs states, you know, in my personal journey, I, I'm fortunate where I can, you know, since I have the background that I have, have order and have my lab workup done on a quarterly basis, so I, I can identify what my need states are for my physiology pretty clearly, kind of objectively separate from what I'm feeling, you know, and I look at it and then, All right, you know, if my, my cholesterol's repeatedly up, I might want to take something that will lower my cholesterol on a regular basis.
Ric (28m 4s):
You know, or, you know, I, I could give a number of examples, but know your needs states and right. Be in tune with your needs states so that you can adjust. And there's a lot of great practitioners out there who can provide you with guidance on, on how to address it. But if you were to ask me, what can anyone do on a day-to-day basis in today's world to support their levels of stress and to help keep, keep their immunity up, there are a few, a few herbs products that I would, I would go to for, for anyone, regardless of their needs state.
Brian (28m 42s):
Yeah. And we like to talk about routines. Are there any routines that you implement throughout your life in the morning? I know I've, I'm gathering your fairly spiritual individual, you know, do you do certain things to help, you know, like keep your lifestyle?
Ric (29m 0s):
I do, Brian, I'm, I'm sure a lot of your listeners do. But for me, I, my morning routine is, is this, I, I go up into my shaah and I, I do some yogic postures for my low back, largely focusing on my low back. And then after that, I sit up and I have this Chinese technique of tapping, you know, all over the body to clear stagnation. And then after I do my tapping, I do a breathing exercise called Ana Banda to help build my core breathing energy. And then after that I do a set of about a 20 minute session of restorative meridian massage.
Ric (29m 42s):
And then after that I do Qigong. And, and then when all of that practice in the shaah is done, I go into the sauna and do dry sauna and infrared sauna alternating with coal plunge. And, and then later in the afternoon I do 50 laps of a aqua jogging in my pool. And
Brian (30m 8s):
Wow.
Ric (30m 9s):
That's pretty much my daily focus on, you know, of course I'm eating well in the day, you know, during the day. Sure. And, and I, I try to maintain that, that lifestyle for a healthy, healthy balance.
Brian (30m 21s):
And you mentioned, is it Abbi Gand, is that the, is that the practice Abbi
Ric (30m 28s):
Ggaaa
Brian (30m 29s):
Yeah.
Ric (30m 30s):
The breathing exercise.
Brian (30m 31s):
Well, and I'm, I'm also looking, there's something called you, you wrote on your website Abbi Abbi. It is a self oil massage using Yeah, yeah,
Ric (30m 41s):
Yeah. That's a, that's a, that's an Ayurvedic massage. I don't do that every day. Some days I do that though. And it's done with warm sesame oil full body to help, you know, we have these doshas in our body according to Ayur vein. And daily aga helps to, you know, massage in a, in a proper way with warm sesame helps to keep the dos in a state of balance. So that's a good practice as well.
Brian (31m 10s):
And I noticed maybe for people who wanna sort of cut back on caffeine, do you have any products that could sort of help replace that?
Ric (31m 18s):
Yes, Yes. You know, our functional powders, we have these beautiful powders that can be mixed in, in water or milk smoothies, whatever, nut milk. But one of them is called roasted cocoa lift. And roasted cocoa lift is made with roasted dandelion, roasted chicory, and it has other herbs, adaptogenic curbs in it. And frankly, it tastes, you know, startling like coffee tastes really. And it gives you all the, the benefits of having an adaptogenic drink without the, you know, the, the problem of being overstimulated by so much caffeine.
Ric (32m 4s):
Mm. And I, I tell people, if you're really a, a, a real coffee drinker and it's hard for you to get off of coffee, take roasted cocoa lift, take two teaspoons and add a teaspoon of, of freeze dried coffee into it or your favorite coffee, and then, then brew it like you would in, in a, in a french press. That's how we make roasted coco cocoa lift and, and mix it all together and then, you know, press it out and drink it. And you wouldn't know that. It doesn't, it's not coffee, but, But it would have such an amazing adaptogenic benefit and immune supporting benefit to your, to your body and mind.
Brian (32m 47s):
Oh, that's, that's great. Yeah. And that's called Bro Coral. I'm looking at it right now. And, and that's something that if you just took on its own, you would just mix it with water. Yep.
Ric (32m 57s):
Help hot water and put it in a French press and press it out and enjoy it. It tastes great. You know, you can add, we don't add any sweetener to our powders. Leave it for, for everyone to add their own. But you could add a little, a little sweetener of your choice if you want, but it's not necessary.
Brian (33m 16s):
Okay. Well, yeah, and it looks like you got a lot of products coming out as we speak, so, and that's exciting. And where's the best place for people to, to learn about you and your, and your products?
Ric (33m 30s):
So I, I suppose, you know, I love doing these podcasts with, with folks like yourself And, you know, we, we hope to publish a lot of our podcast on our, on our website. We have great blogs on our website and people can go to cocoa life.com, that's our website, and learn a lot about regenerative agriculture, regenerative life, regenerative products, and of course, find us on Amazon now we have a beautiful Amazon brand page. And, and so, yeah. And, you know, our products are growing in an ever increasing number of health food stores.
Ric (34m 10s):
So, so, you know, hopefully we'll be a, a name, you know, well recognized very soon.
Brian (34m 18s):
Excellent. Excellent. Yeah, we'll definitely put Links in the show notes for people to learn about Kora. And I will say this, Rick, I don't have, I, I try not to have a lot of like I products on my podcast, but when I was reading about Korra and, and the regen and regenerative organic certified farms in Costa Rica, I thought this would be a worthwhile episode for people to learn about your company. So I appreciate Yeah. You know, your, your company and, and the benefits it can help people with. Yeah.
Ric (34m 47s):
Thank, thank you, Brian. I appreciate all that you're doing to share knowledge and and wisdom with all your listeners. It's a great thing.
Brian (34m 56s):
Excellent. Well, enjoy your day and thanks for coming on, Rick, and we'll be in touch down the road.
Ric (35m 3s):
All right, Brian, thank you again. Thanks
Brian (35m 5s):
For listening to the show. I know there's thousands of podcasts out there and you chose to listen to mine. I will put a link in the show notes if you want to connect with my guest. And if you are looking for one-on-one consulting with me, I will put a free 15 minute link so you can set up a call to see if you're fit for my six month health breakthrough program. So thanks again, feel free to rate and subscribe. I would love that to help support the podcast. And Until next time, have a great rest of the day and I will see you on my next podcast. Thanks so much.
