Randy (0s):
I was diagnosed with late stage cancer, so it was metastatic melanoma. It had moved into multiple organ systems and they're giving me two months, maybe two years to live. I was devastated. I really leaned back on my chiropractic values and really believe in that health is the normal in diseases, the abnormal, and I didn't feel cancer was making me sick. I really felt metabolically sick, and that's why my body was expressing cancer. All metabolic disease, I mean things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, all of these are really downstream of poor and broken metabolic function.
Randy (40s):
Yeah, so I'm not dead. We weren't always the Happy, Healthy Guys, Brian. We were the overweight, sick cancer riddled, almost dead guys. Depressed guys as well. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah,
Rob (51s):
You probably wouldn't have brought us on the podcast to learn how to actually achieve that This
Brian (55s):
Week. I interviewed speakers, podcast hosts and health influencers, Rob and Randy from The Happy Healthy Life. We discussed all things metabolism, mindset, and nutrition. We also dove into both Randy and Rob's health struggles, along with morning routines, the importance of grounding, revving up your metabolism with SCT Oil and their tips to get your body back to what it once was. Really enjoyed my interview with Rob and Randy. I know you will too. Thanks so much for listening and enjoy the show. Alright. Welcome to the Get Lean, Eat Clean podcast. My name is Brian Gryn and I have Dr. Rob and Dr. Randy on welcome to the show.
Rob (1m 33s):
Thanks so much for having us, Brian.
Randy (1m 35s):
Yeah. Excited to be here, boss.
Brian (1m 37s):
Yeah. Excited to have you on the Happy, Healthy Guys. Maybe is more suited, brand suited, right?
Randy (1m 42s):
Well, we're not in our normal podcast studio where we've got the Happy Healthy Guys logo in the back. So we're, we're in a makeshift studio today, but it's gonna be fine because the message is gonna be great today. I'm excited to have this conversation.
Brian (1m 54s):
Yeah, you guys are looking good. If you're watching on YouTube, they're dressed like they're in Miami, which they are. Right. And we
Randy (1m 60s):
Are. Yep. When in Miami, right? Yeah,
Brian (2m 2s):
Exactly. And, well, for people who don't know, the Happy, Healthy Guys, maybe just a brief background of how you guys got into this space And what led you there. Yeah.
Rob (2m 11s):
You know, it's, it's, it's one of, it's one of those things where we could have ever predicted that we'd be doing what it is that we're doing. Right now we're both retired chiropractors and so that's where, where things started, always been in the holistic space, really having a passion for helping people and teach people. And with our chiropractic roots, everything always went back to first finding the cause of the problem and then going from there. And so while in, in practice helping people, we were teaching people nutrition from the standpoint of like, a lot of people teach and it's okay, calories, then calories out. You need to exercise more in order to be able to lose weight.
Rob (2m 52s):
Meanwhile, through that time period, being a chiropractor, I really struggled with my weight. I had struggled with my weight my entire life. When I was 13 years old, I was 210 pounds and about five foot four about as wide as I was tall. Mm. And I started doing what my mom had taught me to do, and that was, well, if you wanna lose weight, son, you need to stop eating as much as you were eating. And so literally started starving myself. And so, you know what? I was ashamed always of, of the way I looked. I was, I was bullied and that right there led me to becoming anorexic. And so didn't, that wouldn't the health healthiest option for me just not eating anymore.
Rob (3m 33s):
And so from that point on, I started going, okay, that's not very healthy. I literally almost died and just started doing this a different way. And so that's where I started getting into to fitness, into eating better, and then ultimately going to chiropractic school, helping people. And I was still though, struggling with my weight. I was that person who had to be perfect with what I was eating. I had to be perfect with my exercise in order to maintain a healthy weight. It was, it was really super, super frustrating. And then I had a, an injury to my back, which is really ironic, being a chiropractor that literally took me out to where I couldn't adjust for literally days. And it was miserable to have to have to get up in the morning to go to work to adjust people because I could hardly, hardly walk.
Rob (4m 17s):
And meanwhile, at that time, what happened is I started gaining all this weight. And so that right there, and we'll talk about why, why that ended up happening. And so my only strategy was, well, to exercise more. I couldn't do that because, well, I couldn't walk. And then the other thing was, okay, I need to try to, to, to eat better. And well, not being able to walk, not being able to go to practice, not being able to provide for my family was really depressed. And next thing you know, I'm about 80 pounds heavier and, and overweight. And so while that was happening, what, what I didn't realize is that Randy over here was going through his own crisis. So I was going through the cell challenge health crisis and so is he.
Randy (4m 58s):
Yeah. So, so Rob is my, by the way, he's my best friend for over 23 years. He was actually probably one of my first mentors in chiropractic. I would go to his office when I was in school there in Dallas-Fort Worth. And I would just wanna learn everything from this guy. So been around this guy for a long time and I learned a lot about, you know, really chiropractic and the principal that I fell in love with. It just, it took me over where I was like, man, I really never wanted to be a, any type of a doctor, but I didn't understand there were other types of doctors. So when I found out, wait a second, there's actually doctors who look at the body as not broken, but as, as actually that health would be the normal that appealed to me.
Randy (5m 40s):
So I fell in love with chiropractic. I was in practice for eight years running an incredibly successful practice, helping a lot of people. And here's where my world fell apart metabolically. I was diagnosed with late stage cancer. So it was metastatic melanoma. And Brian, it had moved into multiple organ systems and they're giving me two months, maybe two years to live. I was devastated and felt really ashamed, felt like a fraud because I'm telling everybody else how to get healthy and here I am, my worst nightmare. So you really find out what you believe when you're thrown in the fire. It's interesting, right? We say a lot of things, but what are you really going to do when it literally is staring you in the face?
Randy (6m 25s):
So I really leaned back on my chiropractic values and really believe in that health is the normal and diseases that abnormal. And I didn't feel cancer was making me sick. I really felt metabolically sick and that's why my body was expressing cancer. So that really started me on a road of wanting to figure out what is the cause of what is going on here. I really wanted to look at cancer really as a metabolic condition. And I don't know, that may be a huge jump from maybe some of your listeners or for maybe people who don't understand that. But really all metabolic disease, I mean things like cancer, heart disease, diabetes, all of these are really downstream of poor and broken metabolic function.
Randy (7m 9s):
So I ended up going over into Spain of all places I'd met a doctor, a cellular biologist, he's a medical doctor from Lebanon, Dr. Raymond Hulu. And I remember getting about a 22nd consultation for about $30,000. That's
Brian (7m 25s):
A long way to go for that.
Randy (7m 27s):
It's a long way to go. And I'd never been out of the country at that time. This was 15 years ago. I was 35 years old. Hmm. So I go all the way over there and I'm waiting to meet with this doctor and I, you know, I'm second guessing everything, I'm I gonna die. 'cause I had really just declined any type of standard medical care, no chemo, no radiation, no surgery. Just had really moved out of that model. I wasn't sure what I was going to do. But sometimes you don't have to know what you're going to do. You just have to know what you're not going to do. And then you put your values to the test. So I'm waiting to hear from this doctor and he basically busts through the, through the door and, and he points at me and he goes, I'll do nothing that will kill you. And I'm like, well that's great because they couldn't offer me that in America.
Randy (8m 8s):
He goes, now you might die, but I'll do everything I can to get your body adapting again, chemically, physically and emotionally. I think it's your best chance to get well. And here's the best part, Brian. He goes, no need for theatrics. Are you ready to get started? And if you can imagine what I said, I was like, heck yeah, let's go. Because I really believed I'd found the guy who wanted to treat the person metabolically versus focusing on a symptom or a diagnosis where a lot of times you really never get to the cause of the problem. Long story, very short. I got well in about 90 days naturally, and my mind's getting blown. 'cause I'm, I'm like, well I guess it wasn't about just not dying.
Randy (8m 48s):
There's some real metabolic dots that are connecting. And if I could overcome a late stage cancer diagnosis in a matter of just months, what is it really that the body isn't capable of? And we know that the body really is a healer that the greatest doctor isn't in Spain or you know, in this major, you know, famous hospital with a bunch of letters behind their name. Really the greatest doctor is on the inside. And when you create an environment, Brian, where your body can heal, it will do exactly that. So my certainty, level of confidence And what I went through, I wanted to come back and help people in a new way. And so guess who the first person I wanted to help
Brian (9m 30s):
The doctor. Oh, okay.
Randy (9m 32s):
My best friend. Right, right, right. At this time, you know, he's severely overweight, bad back, his world's falling apart. You know, I'm overcoming this horrible condition, getting well, you know, wheels are spinning. And so this is where we were able to put together and start looking at, okay, how can we create a protocol to help you? 'cause if I could overcome, once again, if I could overcome this metabolic condition, I mean this weight loss thing and this metabolic flexibility, it ought to be really easy to do. So that's kind of where we got involved working together more like how do we now maybe move out of practice? We still love what we do, but I think we're missing the boat here.
Randy (10m 12s):
Maybe God's doing something bigger here and maybe there's something we can do that's gonna help more people. So you know, you start with yourself first and and that was this guy.
Rob (10m 22s):
Yeah. So yeah, so literally we jumped right in studying the science of metabolism and then applying those things. And, and for me I was like, okay, I have a couple options. I could do surgery, which is completely outside of, of what our belief system is. Yeah. Especially being a chiropractor. Or I could start doing these and applying these principles to my own life. And then as a result of doing that, well I lost the 80 pounds and I've kept that off now for 14 years. And Now I don't struggle with my weight like I did before. Like a lot of people do with having to be perfect with what it is that you're eating with your diet or having to exercise or being in the gym for hours and hours a day. So here's the most important thing that I learned out of this entire thing, was that, you know what, I didn't have a weight problem.
Rob (11m 10s):
I didn't have a genetics problem because I thought I was supposed to struggle with my weight because I watched my mother struggle with her weight. I didn't have an exercise problem where I wasn't exercising. You know,
Randy (11m 19s):
You were exercising like crazy. Yeah.
Rob (11m 21s):
And as I was getting older, like a lot of people think, you know, as you get older, well it's just gonna get harder. Well, you know, that's common, but that's not normal. And so I didn't have any of those things as my problem. What I had was a metabolism problem. Yeah. Nobody had ever explained to us how you could actually heal or fix a metabolism problem. And so that's what it is that we learned. So not only did I lose that weight and keep that weight off, a lot of really great things happened. The inflammation in my lower back went away. I had high, high blood pressure during that time period when I was struggling. And my blood pressure went back down to normal, started feeling better than I'd ever felt, more energy.
Rob (12m 2s):
So all those things that I had just attributed to life, and those are just things that happen in life. You know what, Now I'm actually truly experiencing living life the way our bodies were designed. So one of the, the core foundational things that we have to make sure for us, that we always teach the people that we work with is that, you know what it's like he said is your body was created and designed to heal. You deserve to have health. Because that right there is how our bodies are created. The body doesn't need any help healing, it just needs no interference right there. So when you can remove that interference, whether that's toxic foods, whether it's toxic thoughts, whether it's removing any interferences inside the body that are happening physically, once you remove those things, you really can't create a, an environment where better things are way more likely to happen.
Rob (12m 52s):
And for me it was a healthier metabolism.
Randy (12m 55s):
Yeah. So I'm not dead, he's not overweight. Great clinical outcomes. We weren't always the Happy, Healthy Guys, Brian. We were the overweight, sick cancer riddled, almost dead guys, depressed
Rob (13m 8s):
Guys as well. Yeah. So yeah, you probably wouldn't have brought us on the podcast to learn how to actually achieve that.
Randy (13m 12s):
Funny Now wasn't funny at the time.
Brian (13m 14s):
Yeah, yeah. No kidding. And what was like the biggest thing you learned, Randy, from like the 90 days that you worked with And what was his name? The doctor you worked with? Yeah,
Randy (13m 24s):
Dr. Raymond Hilu. HILU.
Brian (13m 27s):
Okay. Are you still in touch with him or was that like, or
Randy (13m 30s):
Yeah, I am actually, we've sent him probably, I don't know, hundreds and hundreds of people over there. We were there actually this time last year. We were over there in Spain. We had actually some, a family member I had taken over there that was struggling. And a couple of our clients and people that had even heard our podcasts had gone over there. So we were over there and got to hang out with Dr. Helu and, and really see he's still doing what he is been doing now for 15 years. It's pretty, pretty remarkable.
Brian (13m 57s):
And the people you brought over there, they had more than just like weight issues. These are people who,
Randy (14m 2s):
Oh no, these were cancer. Cancer,
Brian (14m 4s):
Okay. Yeah.
Randy (14m 4s):
People riddled with cancer who, some had gone through the medical model and kind of left them for dead. Some were like, no, I want to right out of the gate, I just don't wanna engage in any type of allopathic treatments. They really wanted to get to the cause and give their body the best chance. You know, he lose really been doing biohacking before biohacking was really even cool. So it was, it's interesting.
Brian (14m 26s):
Yeah. And like, I guess, you know, obviously that's very against the traditional model that you see in the states. When you hear of a cancer diagnotic diagnosis. What, what was like the main principles that he did to help get you back?
Randy (14m 39s):
Yeah, I, I think number one is, and we've talked about it, but I think it's still so core, is he didn't want to treat a condition. So my journey into Spain wasn't to find a doctor, not even a natural doctor to treat my cancer. I really wanted to figure out what am I doing? What are the things that are causing my body to be in this state, right? The cause really is the cure. And you know, if you receive a diagnosis And now the journey is about treating a condition, you really almost outsource all of your healing efforts over to people that really maybe potentially don't even know what health is.
Randy (15m 22s):
I think it's can be very dangerous. Not that people haven't been helped by the traditional medical system. Sure. So let's just be honest, Brian, it's an unmitigated failure, the way we operate and how we do healthcare in America and really across the country when you're diagnosing and treating conditions. So that was foundational is not treating a disease, but really somebody working on treating me, working with me, detoxing me. Plus I had to get out of my life. To be honest with you. I wasn't a pretty much a, a pressure cooker of a clinic. You know, my feet were taped to the bicycle. That's not probably healthy to work 80 hours a week. And you know, and the way, you know, chiropractic, you really do give and give.
Randy (16m 4s):
You're, you're taking on a lot of energy with people every single day. So I think number one was, you know, knowing that, hey, the journey is, let's get to the cause. Let's create an environment where my body can heal. But looking back on it Now, I can see a lot of mistakes metabolically that I believe I was making one of those with was I was that guy who I kind of came up reading all the Muscle Fitness magazines and was a little insecure. My, I wasn't the biggest guy and so I just wanted to build a lot of muscle. And so I started adopting very early, really in high school and even into my college years that eating six, seven times a day, you know, eating 30, 40 grams of protein every meal to, you know, make sure I'm getting all these insulin hits to grow my body.
Randy (16m 54s):
And I would carry around 185, even up to 195 pounds on a six foot frame. I was forcing my body to be big. Well, clearly, you know, that's not an ideal anti-aging strategy and it's definitely not a strategy if you're wanting to prevent chronic disease because obviously all those insulin hits really were putting me into growth mode. I really didn't get a lot of repair time for my body to actually heal. Not really much atopy going on, kind of staying in that mTOR pathway where I'm always in growth mode. So that was one of the mistakes I believe was very significant in why I was forcing myself to be big and creating an environment where cancer could grow.
Randy (17m 36s):
And then here's another one too. I look back now, it was really, I'm looking at linoleic acid intake, you know, omega six, you know, polyunsaturated fatty acids, linoleic acid. I ate a lot of seed oil, took a lot of fish oil, lots of seeds, lots of oils, lots of flax oil. And I'm looking back now, man, that's a, clearly, there's a huge issue now that we know omega six is a metabolic poison. And our body does store it. And it does create an environment where your body, your mitochondria begin to shut down. You're creating and producing less energy. Well, really all disease has a mitochondrial metabolic component to it. So a lot of seed oil.
Randy (18m 16s):
Thought I was doing great. Lots of over-training too. Twice a day in the gym, multiple meals, lots of process. Even protein bars and protein shakes. Not that some of that can't be great, but if you think about it, if I'm forcing myself to be big, I'm eating all the time. I'm crushing seed oils and I'm eating a lot of processed quote healthy food, I don't know that it was the best environment for me. 'cause Now I carry around 170 pounds and I'm way more metabolically healthy and I'm able really to have the flexibility to not have to worry about counting macros anymore or being, you know, militant with my diet. I just focus on eating real food until I'm full.
Randy (18m 58s):
And when I'm hungry again, I eat real food again. And I train way less and I'm at 50, I put my body up against my 25-year-old body, definitely my 30 5-year-old body. So kind of flies in the face of getting older or having to, you know, do a lot of things. We've been told, when you're metabolically strong and healthy, there really isn't anything that your body's not capable of. So pretty exciting to know that I'm not in that calorie prison anymore and really started to wake up to a lot of the, the lies that we believed about nutrition.
Brian (19m 30s):
Yeah, it's amazing when you just, you know, you keep it simple though, but you talk about eating real foods and you hear that a lot, you know, But it is, it can be really that simple. I think nowadays there's a lot of different camps as far as eating, you know, from, you know, the carnivore all the way to, you know, a vegan vegetarian and somewhere in between. Yeah. Like I think that people that come from a standard American diet and whatever they go to, as long as it's, you know, real food, I think that's like a step in the right direction. Obviously there's extremes, but Yeah, I mean, it, it can be as simple as that. Right?
Rob (20m 6s):
Absolutely. Can be as simple as that. And you're talking to the right, right, right. Folks here, at least for myself, I'm super simple. And when I look at even the practicality of things, like for example, you know, when I grew up, grew up listening to my body, my mom would always say, Hey, you have to eat breakfast. You know what? Eat everything on your plate. I hated eating breakfast for my body. I knew I didn't feel good when I did that, but I just did it because that's what everybody said that you were supposed to do. So even when you start looking at, when we were in Spain, for example, and people there in the Mediterranean, they don't get up immediately and start eating food. They don't eat food until a little bit later in the day. Yeah. And when they are eating these foods, you are looking at them eating single ingredient item foods.
Rob (20m 49s):
And so, so one of the things that, that we, we like to always say, to keep things simple is to sci-fi. So focus on eating single ingredient food items. So when you're there in Spain and they're eating, you know, manchego cheese, for example, well what's in that
Randy (21m 6s):
One ingredient?
Rob (21m 8s):
One ingredient two cheese, right? Olive oil, just olive oil. And so I think in the United States, because of how it is that we've been trained to, to eat, you know, first thing in the morning, and then what are we trained to actually eat? Well, ultra processed food, ultra processed, sugary food, first thing in the body. So like he was saying, it's already creating this environment inside the body for the cells that are toxic. And then if the cells are toxic, there's no way that mitochondria is going to be officially utilizing the energy that it needs to and creating energy, right. For our metabolism to have a healthy metabolism. So when it comes to just simplicity, the thing that we always talk about is in order to be able to make sure that you are getting nutrient dense food is surf for your food.
Rob (21m 54s):
And so surfing, not like surfing on a surfboard like the ocean right outside this window here, But it's SERF simply eat real food, right? Yeah.
Randy (22m 6s):
What is, what is real food, right? Yeah.
Rob (22m 8s):
Yeah. Set it on the counter, come back two weeks later. Well, it's gone bad, right? Set it on the counter like a twine or, or even protein bars these days, right? You could set a protein bar on a, on a, on a counter, come back three years from now and it looks exactly the same. So I remember when, you know, it was all about, you know, and we're practicing chiropractic and, and we wouldn't eat during the day because we'd have these busy shifts and, and we'd have these different protein bars. I would stick 'em on my backpack. I remember I opening up my backpack and cleaning it out like three or four years later, protein bar stuck in the bottom of my backpack that I didn't even know was there. Open it up and it looked exactly the same as it would've three years prior.
Rob (22m 50s):
And that's a quote, healthy food, right? Not so healthy because it's got a hundred different ingredients in it for the body.
Brian (22m 56s):
Yeah. I mean, I think there's a good and bad, right? Like the convenience of a protein bar over maybe something else could, could play a good role. I mean, but nowadays there's a lot more options when it comes to choosing like protein bars. I, you know, probably 10, 15, 20 years ago, there weren't as many options. And now some of these companies have gotten their stuff together. Like, I'll look in these ingredients and there's, you know, four or five, you know, maybe six ingredients and they're all like real foods. They, so I, I do think, you know, there's an advantage, but I agree. I mean it, you know, like for traveling maybe it is an advantage to use 'em from time to time. 'cause you know, you're, you don't want to eat air airport food, but if you're at
Randy (23m 34s):
Home, yeah, definitely not airport food. Right. Looks very similar to hospital food. I don't know that there's much of a difference.
Brian (23m 39s):
Yeah. And, and some airports are better. There's some better options than others. I will say that. But, but yeah, I mean, anytime you could cook for yourself. I think I always said, I think that's like the, one of the biggest health hacks people could do is just knowing what you're putting in your food. That's something my wife and I do a lot. We always like put something out the night before. I think being prepared is where, where you can really gain that edge. Because I, I see people that are eating healthy and those are the people that aren't planning ahead and just preparing themselves for, you know, having like these healthy meals.
Randy (24m 10s):
Yeah. You even, like, speaking of airports, it's crazy how you, you know, you'll catch an early flight and people are lined up everywhere into all the fast food places in the airport. Right. You know, it's like a two hour flight. You, you, you can't, you know, make it for two hours before you land it at 10 30 at your final destination. Yeah. You know, people are trying to can on autopilot a little bit where, you know, you're thinking you have to get breakfast in. I'm, I'm in an airport and we look at that. It's really kind of models a lot of how society now lives now on that autopilot, you're not really thinking about it. But I'll ll tell ya what I, I think about it, but I think about it in a way where it's been very freeing for me, Brian, where I don't worry so much about being so militant or worrying about counting all my macros or, or having to get so many grams of protein.
Randy (25m 3s):
I, I really feel like, you know, when you think about eating, you know, bioavailable nutrient dense food, you know, these are more ancestrally consistent foods. I when you think about eating those foods, they do create a lot of satiety in the body. And so sure. When you eat fake food or processed food, that's how people are overeating. And of course we already know with all the food additives and the ingredients, creating more people hungry, p seed oil actually acts on, you know, your body and hits the, the part of the dinu where you actually actually increase hunger because it's like smoking weed, so to say, like the cannabinoid system, you're hitting that in your body and making yourself more hungry.
Randy (25m 44s):
So flavoring agents and processed ingredients and these oils. So when you eat real food and you sci-fi, single ingredient food items, it makes it easier to go, okay, that makes sense. That's ancestrally consistent and not overthinking it because you start overthinking it, it does get confusing and it does get hard and that's where you get confused. You usually don't do anything.
Brian (26m 9s):
Yeah. And I mean, you talk about like doing some forms of fasting. I've actually, I've gone through doing more fasting and cutting back and it's, you're sort of seeing that a little bit in the health space. 'cause I think obviously I, I do think fasting is a tool, But it could also be overused.
Randy (26m 26s):
Oh yeah. Oh, I abused it for sure. When I came up, when I came back from Spain, I started going into some deep fasting states and it just kind of carried on because, you know, I was eating the six, seven times a day. I get this diagnosis. We're over there in Spain, we're looking at people not eating all the the time. And so I definitely abused it, which obviously can have huge issues. Most people, they, they're not able to even fast anyway. 'cause they're not even metabolically healthy enough too fast. So yeah, I agree. I, I love, I'm actually, I do love eating breakfast. I like to eat within, you know, an hour of waking. You know, I, I want to take advantage of that window Sure.
Randy (27m 7s):
Where my body's prepped and ready versus I went here, you know, eating maybe one or two times a day. So I definitely abused it.
Brian (27m 16s):
Yeah. Yeah. I mean it, yeah, myself included, like, I, I went a, a a while there where I was probably not eating enough and over fasting, but the experience of doing it, I think is good just to understand like, because a lot of people say they're hungry, but you're really not hungry. Right. Like understanding like true hunger and like sort of your body signals. So I do think it's, it's, if you've never tried it, like to give it a try, you know, obviously speak with someone to help you, like a health professional obviously, or someone that knows what they're doing if you need guidance. But, but now that I come back, like, yeah, like I, I never was, Now I actually try to actually eat earlier in the day more so maybe I feel like in Europe and stuff and, and overseas in Spain and like, they probably have their meals.
Brian (27m 59s):
Well, some, some communities have their meals late. I know that. Like, yeah, probably just depends on the, on, on where you're at. But
Randy (28m 7s):
They're definitely not making food choices based on how quickly you can get it, eat it, and go to the next thing in life. You know, they're, they're sitting down. There's usually family and friends and conversation and community, more blue zish where the community's really a part of your culture And what you do. You, you appreciate the food, you're grateful for the food, you chew your food, right. You breathe, you sit outside. Like there's a lot of, it's, there's a lot of nuance to that conversation. But yeah, they're definitely not picking food based off how quickly they can get it, eat it in the car and go to the next thing they're headed to.
Brian (28m 43s):
Right. So it's like, more of eating is more of like a, it's like a two hour could be two hours right. Hour, two hours. Like in the States it's like how quick, you know, probably, you know, we'll cook our own meals, you know, my wife will, she likes to cook, but, and it might take an hour and then we're done in like 15 minutes,
Randy (29m 3s):
You know?
Rob (29m 4s):
Yeah, yeah. Or you're driving next to the person that's putting their makeup on, eating their, their their McDonald's whatever Egg McMuffin at the exact same time and texting somebody at the exact same time. Yeah. It's like that the culture is now, how many things can I do at one time? Right. And it's there, there's no intention behind that at all.
Brian (29m 24s):
Yeah. I'm curious, we talk a lot about routines. Like what type of routines, I mean, have you guys implemented either in the morning or in the evening to sort of set, you know, set your day, you know, on the right path?
Randy (29m 36s):
Yeah. I love that question. Go ahead.
Rob (29m 39s):
Yeah, absolutely. For my, for myself, my, my routine starts first thing in the morning getting up and, and I've got a, I've got a meditation routine that I do prayer routine, that I do gratitude, writing it down. I journal a lot. And so for me, that's where I'll start my day that way. And then getting into exercise. So like, even, even when we're gone and we're here in Miami, that was the same exact thing that happened today. It doesn't, it doesn't change. I also, part of that routine is also making my bed. I'm, I'm the, I'm the checklist person, Brian, that I'm like, I'm not, I I, I like to see that I've actually accomplished things during the day. And he's, he's definitely not.
Rob (30m 18s):
So
Randy (30m 19s):
Yeah. I'm more charged hell with a water pistol. I don't need a plan, just turn me loose.
Rob (30m 23s):
Yeah. So, so, so I go, so I'm a lot more systematic about how it is that I, that I do those things. But even for me, I won't have my first meal typically for myself. And that's the beauty. And we were just talking about this last night. The beauty of metabolic health is there's no one size fits all. Yeah. Everybody is different. And that's the beauty behind this. And so, and that's the way we look at people. Whenever we work with people, for example, everything that we do, we customize to the individual that we're working with, right. Because it is not a one size fits all approach to doing things. And so I'll eat t typically around 11, 12 o'clock, but I also will keep my, my feeding window within about eight hours.
Rob (31m 4s):
And so I wanna make sure that I'm eating at least three hours before I go to bed and doing that without any snacking. So that, so that's my routine. And when I look at, like, for example, throughout the week, I'll go, I'll do a 24 hour fast on sun from Sunday evening to Monday evening. And I do that more for myself to like, help reset my body and start the week off that way. Hmm. So that really is a, a simplified version of what my routine looks like on a daily basis. I know yours is different.
Randy (31m 32s):
Yeah. And that's the beauty, you know, you find your groove, you find your routine. I, I think in more recent years, Brian, I've really gravitated back to just getting back to nature. You know, really that's so important. And I, you know, now we're all inside, we're under artificial light, you know, everybody's wearing sunglasses, slathering on sunscreen, eating fake processed food, rubber sold shoes. We're, we're almost disconnected from how we really lived and thrived in years prior. So my routine is, I definitely want to get up and I want to get that sunlight into my eyes first thing in the morning. You know, that's, the sun's really been vilified and there may not be a better mitochondrial support Yeah.
Randy (32m 15s):
Than what we get from the sun with, you know, the photo bio, you know, modulation where you're hitting those mitochondria, which, you know, our eyes have probably most of the mitochondria or the most rich, dense areas, or in our eyes, you get that sunlight. It's almost like we're charging our battery pack. You know, two thirds of our mitochondria's energy requirements come from sunlight. There's a lot of benefits to that. So getting that into your eyes first thing in the morning, getting your feet on the ground, get barefoot, guys. Quit walking around all day long and rubber sold shoes. Get those feet dirty. Let your body really connect and get back to nature. This is one of the reasons I love being, you know, at a place like Miami.
Randy (32m 58s):
More so just because I can walk out and get my feet in the sand and get on the beach, get, get some earthing, get grounded, you know, really give my body a chance to relax. That's when I pray. That's when I'm able to meditate. You know, I have some guided meditation too with like brain tap that I'll do, which I really enjoy. But getting my body up grounded, sun of my eyes. And then definitely I eat breakfast. I, I love breakfast and I was a classic, you know, never eat breakfast fasting all the time. And for me, I've really done really well. I love eating real food. I love eggs. I love pastured bacon. You know, I love raw cheeses and I do a lot of juicing.
Randy (33m 39s):
I'm a huge orange juice guy. Lots of raw honey. I'm definitely more pro metabolic in these days where I'm eating way more food and you just can't even gain any weight. But there's been a lot of work that's gone into creating this metabolic level of health, which is one of the reasons we, you know, we developed a whole metabolism program to help you heal. But once your metabolism is working for you that morning time things can get very, very simple. And they're all, and most of the things that we're talking about are really free. Everybody really can have access to a lot of these things. So that's kind of how my day starts. And you know, then if I'm hungry again, I'll eat again sometime in the midday. And then, you know, who doesn't love a great steak at dinner?
Randy (34m 20s):
You know, with a side of butter.
Brian (34m 23s):
Yeah. I mean, I totally agree. I agree with, I mean, I would, I try to do grounding. I, you know, I live in Chicago so it can be a little challenging, but yeah, traveling when, that's probably one of my favorite things when we travel elsewhere, you know? Yeah. Miami or I was in Israel, were able to walk the beach there. So Yeah, it's amazing how you feel when you could just get out and get some sun and just walk on. It's a sim you know, it's a simple thing, but, you
Randy (34m 48s):
Know. Yeah. And all my HRV scores, you know, tracking with the whoop, you can see your numbers, your recovery versus your strain, your quality of sleep. It's a real thing. And you can see it directly translate. So if anybody tracks their data, has any wearables, those are really cool too. 'cause they'll help you more prioritize some of the things you see working. And even too, like, you know, I don't really fast if my body's not adapting that well because I don't want to create extra stress. Yeah,
Brian (35m 15s):
Good
Randy (35m 15s):
Point. Yeah. So, you know, if you don't feel like you're best probably doing a 24 hour fast isn't the best strategy for you that day, maybe it's okay not to work out that day. Maybe go for a nice walk, do more simple things, you know, be more intuitive. I think we could all, you know, learn a lot from just listening to our bodies. That goes a long way.
Brian (35m 33s):
Yeah, no, I agree. You talk about stress, like if, if you're fasting, plunging, And, you know, doing hard workouts, but you have a lot of stress elsewhere, you know, it's probably not a smart idea to compound these things all together. You have to sort of pick and choose the right times to do those things. I feel like.
Randy (35m 50s):
Yeah, the, the guy on Instagram who's doing eight different biohacks stacks who's ripped, yeah, maybe, maybe he's right. Maybe there's some other help involved there. I don't know. But I know this, your body is only able to adapt to so much stress. You know, hormesis is beautiful and I love putting myself into a place of stress to adapt. But yeah, too much obviously of anything, you know, stress, it's either you stress or distress. You either adapt to it or you don't. And if you're not adapting, you are metabolically breaking your system down and you're gonna feel it. And it doesn't even, and you could even be skinny. It's not even a weight issue. It's more of a metabolic health issue.
Brian (36m 29s):
And I like to ask this question to guests on the show is like, what's one thing you've changed your mind on in the past, let's just say 15 years? I
Randy (36m 37s):
Love that question. You
Rob (36m 38s):
Know, I, I, I think for myself, one of the things, the biggest thing obviously, because we're, we're talking about this right now, is, is looking at myself is, is not being, not being broken. And what, And what I mean by that is like, I thought that my body was different than other people's bodies when it came to their metabolism. Like I, I used to look at people and say, oh my gosh, that person's really lucky. Or they're really blessed because they have a great metabolism. Meanwhile, I'm over here looking at the bread at dinner and I'm actually gaining weight just by looking at the bread. This person's eating the bread, the pasta, doing all those things. And so I'm gonna have to really work really, really hard in order to be able to maintain this healthy weight.
Rob (37m 23s):
So the shift for me was saying, okay, yeah, you don't have a weight problem. You've got a metabolism problem. And once I could be able to then heal the metabolism, you know, then I could be able to enjoy going to dinner, not being freaked out about how many calories that I was eating, but also be just, you know, intentional with how many nutrients I was getting into my body. So that's been a complete shift and that's taken me out of being that person who always craved sugar, craved sweets. Yeah. Craved bread, craved the chips and all those different things. And so now with my body being metabolically healthy, I don't have any of those cravings anymore. So if, if I want one of those things, yeah, I'll eat it.
Rob (38m 6s):
And I'm not stressed about whether or not I'm going to gain weight because of it. So that's been the biggest shift for me in the context, context of what it is that we're talking about right now.
Randy (38m 16s):
Yeah, I do, I do love this question because that's been really something that's been really on my heart in more recent years, is really questioning almost not almost everything that I believe. You know, why, what is it that I believe and why do I believe it? And when I've really been real and honest with myself, Brian, a lot of the things I've believed and even taught in practice and implemented, I have no idea why I believed it. I guess somebody told it to me. Maybe it was something I learned from my parents. Maybe, you know, something I picked up in a book as a kid. I have no idea. So my superpower has been to unlearn almost everything that I've learned and be willing to now think differently once I get new information.
Randy (39m 2s):
So, so to answer the question is, I really believe, for me it's been, I really don't believe in disease anymore. I think once you believe in a disease, you really become a victim. And here's what I know being, you know, in this space for almost 25 years, not only just virtually, but clinically working with, you know, hundreds if not thousands of patients is victims don't get well, they cannot get well, they can't heal not emotionally, spiritually, physically. And so when you believe in disease, you really believe that there's no hope. 'cause disease really is incurable. Okay? But dise where there's interference is curable.
Randy (39m 44s):
'cause now that puts you back taking responsibility for your role in your journey and agency and your healing. And so the, the disease model really, I believe it's in its terminal phase. If we can continue to educate people and show them that really health and disease, they're really the exact same thing. If you think about it, health and disease are the same thing. It's the body doing the right thing under the circumstances. And I have huge reverence for our innate intelligence and our body's ability to heal symptoms and disease. These are metabolic adaptations, these are therapeutic healing responses. Our body's always working on our behalf. And so the journey really isn't to find another diagnosis, another doctor to treat.
Randy (40m 28s):
It's really how do I now take full responsibility for my health and try to remove the interference so that my body will express health, which has been doing for a very, very long time. I don't know that all of us need more healing. We probably need less interference and less victim mentality. And so that's been a huge shift for me and especially more in recent years. There's a lot of things I've had to unbeliev over the last several years. That's probably a whole separate podcast 'cause I've gone down some rabid holes. Mm. But metabolically speaking and hell speaking. We'll, we'll go with that one.
Brian (41m 0s):
Yeah. Thank you for that. And you know, we talk a lot about metabolism and I've had a lot of like pro metabolic guests recently. I, you know, anywhere from like Georgie dink off Jay Feldman Yeah. And so on and so forth. Kathleen Stewart just had Kitty Feld on, if I'm saying that right. And it's interesting because I think, you know, there's this shift you're seeing with, even with some carnivores, right? That are, they're implementing fruit and honey and realizing that maybe metabolically and even like for thyroid health, like just eating one macronutrient isn't maybe the more optimal option for your, for your long-term health. What are your guys' thoughts around that?
Brian (41m 40s):
I know it's, it's sort of been shifting. I'm seeing that.
Rob (41m 43s):
I, I would say, you know, when you, when you look at, you know, speaking of macros, you know, we've got, you know, proteins, we have carbohydrates, we've got water, we've got these different macros that our body has to have in order to be able to sustain life. They're there for a reason. Again, it goes back to going, okay, everybody's body is different. And I agree, you say I don't, I don't know that eating one to macro and doing that for a long period of time is gonna be your best strategy to be healthy when it does come to healthy longevity. So I think a lot of it is having an awareness of what's right for your body and really understanding rather than trying to force your body into a state that it's not supposed to be in, in, you know, on its own.
Rob (42m 32s):
And so I think when you can be able to start learning that, you start understanding and learning what macros work best for you. I think that when you start understanding also the biochemistry of how the body works, like, like this guy right here is, is a genius when it comes to understanding the biochemistry of how things work. A lot of times those things go right over my head. I'm just like, All right, just, you know, help me understand what that means and then I'll put it into terms that people can actually understand. And so, so once we start understanding that and how it works together, I think that right there creates a lot better foundation for you when it does come to your help. But yeah, I don't think, yeah, you should be just consuming just one macronutrient for the rest of your life.
Rob (43m 12s):
That, that to me makes zero sense.
Randy (43m 14s):
Yeah. And I definitely know Georgie dink off that guy's unbelievable man. Oh my god. Way he can regurgitate and pull and, and call up. He's like
Brian (43m 21s):
A human encyclopedia. I've had him dude a few times,
Randy (43m 23s):
Dude's unreal. Like, who is this guy?
Brian (43m 26s):
And he stopped doing, he stopped doing podcasts I think recently. 'cause it took a lot of his time. But I had him on at least a couple times and yeah, I was always blown away. But anyways, go ahead Randy. Well
Randy (43m 37s):
The, So we were having this conversation actually last night about what are some of like the top, you know, metabolic or diet approaches over the last, you know, 10 years And, you know, obviously the, the keto world really took off. Obviously we're eliminating carbohydrates, eating high fat, and then of course the carnivore has been huge. And by the way, all these diets work and then sometimes they don't, but they all work. But then of course, carnivore is, is not a keto diet because obviously you're eating so much protein, you are making glucose. Sure. Glucose neogenesis. So you're not really running off ketones per se. So you've got those two main areas there. Then you've really got, as we're kind of going into more of this, this more pro metabolic space, which is interesting.
Randy (44m 22s):
And so even like a, like a Paul Saladino kind of his theory of like eating more animal-based fruit, honey, raw milk, obviously not necessarily a full pro metabolic approach, but definitely more in that direction. And of course he looks pretty good and, and seems like he likes it. I'm probably more, I fall into that Sure. Where I'm not really worried about macros per se, just really nutrient dense food and eating more, you know, easily digestible carbohydrates. And now this, you know, the honey diet's kind of floating around everywhere. Right. I
Brian (44m 55s):
Think, well, Mark Bell is going on a sugar, like a high sugar diet. Just that's, you know, that's, I don't, you know, Mark Bell, you know, familiar with him. Okay.
Randy (45m 5s):
I don't know him. I've never met
Brian (45m 6s):
Him. Bell was, was big in the keto space, but anyways, you're right. Yes. Honey diet, you know, 'cause ramping up their glucose oxidation and, and yeah. Yeah, he was a keto guy for a long time and lost a bunch of weight that way. But he's sort of just giving, you know, shifting the, his, you know, so you're, yeah, you're seeing sort of this, this, this lean towards pro metabolic, which, anyways, go ahead. I'm, I interrupted you.
Randy (45m 28s):
No, no, it's, you're, you're right. No, But it's, it's just kind of funny. So you're seeing that obviously in a, I think the, the Jill Mercola's of the world has really written, written a book and kind of gone down that road as
Brian (45m 38s):
Well. Yeah, I have his book. Yeah. Yeah.
Randy (45m 40s):
So there's a lot of brilliant pieces to all of those approaches. I wouldn't necessarily wanna wanna follow all of them forever, but there's a lot of beauty to it. One of the approaches that we've messed around with and seen incredible metabolic results is actually where you're actually removing fat, which is pro metabolic, but we're also removing carbohydrate. So you're taking two macros and removing them. But by doing that, what you can do is you can create an environment where your body can endogenously burn fat for fuel. You know, a lot of people walking around, I've got 50, a hundred, 200,000 plus calories of fat just sitting on their body that they can't get access to because they're so metabolically broken and there is such a low energy state from years of crash dieting and addiction to exercise and god knows what else.
Randy (46m 39s):
So one of the, the approaches that we use is a fatty acid type depletion and deprivation. One of the reasons we do that is your body will now begin to release stored omega six, which is very powerful because obviously we know omega six stores in our body, I don't know, what do they say? 680 day half-life. So after 680 days, half this stuff is still wreaking havoc and lowering your metabolic rate, almost setting you up for hibernation topo. Right? Your metabolic rate low is lower. So fatty acid deprivations along with restricting carbohydrates, getting your body burning more fat. It seems when you even use that type of an approach, you can actually get the body to get very efficient at burning fat again.
Randy (47m 23s):
That way you can now help them get metabolically flexible, which isn't just burning fat for fuel, it's also having the ability to burn glucose for fuel. Both of those are important and you want to have the ability to go back and forth. So we've seen some incredible results with working from that type of a strategy with people. Not only did they lose a ton of weight, but you can get them metabolically flexible in about four or five, maybe six weeks.
Brian (47m 49s):
Maybe. Explain that again. I I, I'm a, I'm a touch confused by that. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Let's,
Randy (47m 53s):
Let's talk about it.
Brian (47m 54s):
So, so, so, so you were just saying Well, go ahead, say it one more time.
Randy (47m 59s):
Yeah. Rob, you may have to be my interpreter 'cause I, no,
Brian (48m 3s):
Because I, I guess I was confused. You said you're actually, you're lowering carbohydrate and you're lowering fat, right? Is that what you were saying? Yeah, no,
Randy (48m 11s):
No fat. Okay. Low carbohydrate. Okay. Moderate protein,
Brian (48m 16s):
Moderate pro. So a little when you, okay.
Randy (48m 18s):
Yeah. So we're, you're still, it's a moderate to low protein, so you're still kind of limiting some amino acids, some methionine restrictions, some is lucin restriction, which is a little more on the pro metabolic side, but you're eliminating fat. And the reason we, we do that, and we've played around with that, and there's a lot of studies on this more into animal models, but, you know, once your body doesn't have fat, at some point your body will make a fatty acid called meat acid. You ever heard of meat acid?
Brian (48m 47s):
I've heard about it a little bit, yeah.
Randy (48m 49s):
Yeah. It's an endogenous polyunsaturated fatty acid. It's, it's almost like a rescue fatty acid. So what happens is you remove fat, almost like fasting, your body's gonna start to release fatty acids into the bloodstream. And that's a signal to the body to help go save those cell membranes or those tissue by making this meat acid. So it's a, it's a, it's a hormetic response, it's a stress response, and you wouldn't wanna stay in it forever. Just like most diets, you don't want to go so extreme forever. But by doing that, the body can get really good at now learning how to go grab its own fat for energy, deplete the body of omega six and help stabilize those, fatty those cell membranes.
Randy (49m 33s):
So by going no fat, lower carbohydrate, moderate protein, we've been able to develop a system with how we can help people go through this guided, supported, and get incredible results. Well, we're, heck, we're seeing people, you know, leads even lose like 22, 28 up to 35 pounds in about a five week period where you're actually reversing visceral fat, actually healing and restoring gut integrity and upregulating your metabolic profile. Because once you now bring carbohydrates back into their system and you can still keep fat low, you can almost put 'em into a probe metabolic state easier and get an incredible result where now maybe they could only burn 1200 calories before, now they're able to burn 2000, 3000.
Randy (50m 19s):
I mean, most people, if they go over 1200 calories, Brian, they gain weight, which is so metabolically crippled. So I just brought that up to even pose another suggestion or another strategy. All these diets are eerie. They're doing high fat, you're doing low protein, you're doing low carb, but going low fat or no fat and manipulating some of those other strategies there, you can actually get in pretty incredible result. Does that help at all? Did I even make it more confusing?
Brian (50m 47s):
No, no, I got it. So it's, it, it's a, it's almost just like a stepping stone to going almost like a, into the pro metabolic space, but you're, you're just taking that extra step, which could be just like three or four weeks of Yeah, because
Randy (50m 59s):
A lot of the people doing that pro metabolic stuff, they're already metabolically healthy. Almost nobody who's metabolically unhealthy and overweight is gonna go do the honey diet if they're being honest with themselves. It's just, and it's probably maybe not gonna work great for them, I don't know. But yeah, most people, they're, that's a, that's a huge jump for them. Although there's a lot of data to support going pro metabolic, there's no, no question.
Brian (51m 24s):
Well, and, and also, but you're, you're seeing that as well, like bringing the fat down Yeah. Is sort of like, I, I know that's a stepping stone for you guys, but like that, you know, obviously you wanna have some fat, you know, just for like Yeah, for
Randy (51m 37s):
Sure.
Brian (51m 37s):
But like, especially like Mark Bes talks a little bit about how he's upped his glucose oxidation, but he is also brought down as fat. Like Yeah. Combining the two is where you could get into a lot of trouble where you
Randy (51m 48s):
Yeah. The Randall effect, right, the Randall phenomenon. Yeah. Yeah. You don't want to get into that glycation problem where you're going high fat, high carb. I think we would all agree. Don't want to do that one. Right. Especially eating the wrong fats and processed sugar seed oil and high fructose corn syrup. That is a metabolic devastating bomb. Right? You don't get away with that one.
Brian (52m 8s):
It's like the perfect picture would be like a donut, right? It's got everything. Right.
Randy (52m 11s):
Better are french fries, right? Yes. The donut of the french fries. Yeah.
Brian (52m 14s):
Right, right. I mean, 'cause people are like, they demonize sugar, but really, you know, you're seeing the sugar on its own is actually okay. It's the things around it that can cause the metabolic dysfunction. Right?
Randy (52m 27s):
Yeah. 100. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. No, if, if, yeah, there's nothing, I mean, your body that's, listen, if you don't eat it, it's going to make it
Brian (52m 36s):
Right.
Randy (52m 36s):
You need it. And so yeah, sugar's been vilified, but, you know, processed sugar should be vilified. But I don't know that really eating natural sugars is really the problem we have where you've got almost 94% of America metabolically unhealthy. I don't think they're eating too much fresh fruit. I don't think that's the problem. Yeah,
Brian (52m 55s):
Yeah. No, totally, totally agree. Yeah. And fruit's gotten, fruit was demonized. Fructose was demonized for a long time and it's
Randy (53m 2s):
Still demonized in a lot of circles. You still hear
Brian (53m 4s):
It. Yeah.
Randy (53m 5s):
Yeah. I, I love fruit, man. Yeah,
Brian (53m 8s):
No,
Randy (53m 9s):
That's, you don't believe in God, just know that he gave us fruit that ought to make you believe in God right there, honey and fruit. He definitely loves us.
Brian (53m 17s):
Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I've been implementing more of that and, and that's a, that's a good way to, you know, easily digestible. Most fruits are, I think, you know, apples could be a little bit tougher, but for the most part that's what they, a lot of, a lot of the carbohydrates are coming from fruit. Even white rice is, is a easily digestible carbohydrate you can implement. Yeah.
Randy (53m 37s):
The, the first time I even heard of using that was over in Spain. Dr. Healey was talking about how, you know, you'd cook the rice, then you'd obviously put it in the refrigerator, then reheat it to kind of break down a lot of the resistant starch and make it more simple to digest. And so, yeah, you just don't want to get Abu bunch of undigested food into your colon. Clearly. That's probably not a good strategy. So for a lot of people we've been able to even work with them on getting them, you know, simple sugars and getting most of the food digested into the gut, into the small intestine way before it gets to the colon. Heck, you'll even see, like you hear stories of people who've had colostomy bags put on, had their colon removed and at the stoma, which goes into the bag if they're eating a bunch of plants or a lot of like vegetables
Brian (54m 24s):
Roughage. Yeah. Yeah.
Randy (54m 26s):
It doesn't even break down yet. The meat's all liquid and the fruit is all breaking down in liquid, especially if you're juicing. So a lot of those hard to break down soluble fibers can be a problem for a lot of people. That's why, you know, ripe fruit, that's kind of like the plant wants you to eat it. Right? They, that's right. That's why it looks like it does and it tastes so good. Versus eating something that probably doesn't taste good. The plant's probably saying, yeah, I don't want you to ever eat me again. So ripe fruit I think is probably a good strategy for a lot of people. And if you have any gastrointestinal issues, juicing can be your friend and it's very easy to break down, get rid of the fiber. I think fiber's probably been overrated, you know, back in the nineties they cut our fat and told us to eat more whole grains and everybody got constipated.
Randy (55m 13s):
I don't think it was a lack of fiber. I think it was a lack of good fats and, And you know, on proper hydration. But yeah, I don't know that focusing on eating 50 grams of fiber a day is the best strategy. Either I don't eat a lot of fiber And, you know, seems to be pretty solid.
Brian (55m 29s):
Yeah. Do you juice a lot? Is that something you've been
Randy (55m 32s):
I do juice because I know, I like how I feel. That's a good test too for a lot of
Brian (55m 36s):
People. Yeah, yeah. When you
Randy (55m 37s):
Eat, what happens? Do you feel bloated? Do you feel lethargic? Do you feel sluggish? Like I can eat a lot of food and a lot of like natural sugars from juicing and honey and you wouldn't know. You'd look at my stomach before I ate and then right after I ate, it looks exactly the same and I don't feel tired. A lot of people are eating, they're getting sluggish, lethargic, they're bloated because that tells you right there, your body's not doing good and you're not breaking down that food. You know, I used to be so gassy back in the day when you're eating all the processed protein powders and eating all day long, now you're like 90% less gassy, which is a good side of healthy, you know, absorption of the foods that you are eating.
Brian (56m 16s):
Yeah, no, that is, yeah, I mean, obviously seeing how you feel and I think if you are implementing some of these, maybe start slower and just work your way up. What's one tip you'd give someone that said sort of, well, well getting towards the end, but what's one tip? Would you give someone, you know, if they were looking to get their bodies back to what it once was, maybe 10, 15 years ago, what like, first step would you tell them to take?
Rob (56m 37s):
You know, for us, we, we make it really simple. We always, our moniker is always like, you know, assess, don't guess. Find out why your body isn't functioning the way it's supposed to. Rather than just jumping onto Google and Googling all of the latest fad diets and or things that are out there. Because even like, like Rainey was saying is when we take a look at at, at how the body works and everything is is created differently. I think what happens with people is they get stuck into the whole calories and calories out thing. No matter what it is that they see that's out there, they start reducing their calories And now you have that person that has a poor metabolic foundation. If they have a poor metabolic foundation, as soon as they stop doing whatever it is that they found through Google, they're gonna gain all the way back.
Rob (57m 25s):
And, and more so even like you were saying is, is for us, when we're easing people into working with us and setting that metabolic foundation now after they have that good metabolic foundation, they can start playing around with some other things. The problem is that when they have a poor metabolic foundation, yeah. Nothing works for them. Whether it's keto, paleo, mediterranean diet, south beast diet where we're at doesn't, it doesn't really matter if you're doing that on a poor metabolic foundation. It's kind of like if you tried to build a house on sand, what's gonna happen? Right? Right. You have a poor foundation, the house is gonna collapse on itself versus having a firm foundation.
Rob (58m 7s):
Once you have that metabolic foundation, it makes life way more fun and you can play around with those things that we're talking about as far as being in that pro metabolic space. Yeah.
Randy (58m 18s):
And I think people just keep making the same mistake because it's just been baked into us. It's the whole, it's the less move more so I would say if you're using food or diet and exercise to lose weight, you're just using it in appropriately. Food isn't for weight loss. It's for nourishing your body with nutrients and vitamins and minerals and giving your body the fuel that it needs. And exercise isn't for weight loss, it's for your health. I mean, how many benefits do you get from moving your body? So eating real food, nutrition and moving your body, it should be a part of a healthy lifestyle. Maybe the two most cornerstone pieces that nobody could argue, but I think a lot of people, Brian, they're using diet and exercise to try to lose weight, which usually means you're gonna be starving yourself, cutting out key things that you need and trying to somehow exercise yourself in the health.
Randy (59m 8s):
And I think they play that out on national TV with the Biggest loser competition. Sure. Everybody went from being overweight to miserable and, and losing weight to now bigger than they were before with lower basal metabolic rates. 'cause you just can't starve your way into health. And you, if you try to lose weight with most of these approaches, you actually have to become more unhealthy Yeah. To do it. Which is why you gain it back. So stop asking, how do I lose weight? Start focusing on how do I heal my metabolism? That's a much better question. Which will get you to a much better result and point you in the right direction.
Brian (59m 44s):
Love that. That's a good place to, to, to, to finish up. Where's the, where's the best place to find you guys?
Rob (59m 51s):
I see it. And like we were saying, as far as even on assessing, just to start off, if you go to metabolism score.com, we've got a quiz there. And in that quiz people can find out how their metabolism is doing, what the function of that is, and then we guide them through some steps that they can be able to use in order to be able to help them with healing their metabolism. So that'd be the first place to go to be able to find us is metabolism score.com. Or we can find us on Instagram, which is at the h, the number two life on Instagram. And we've got all kinds of tips, tricks, strategies. Yeah. Content information that's there for, you know, everything from metabolic health to eliminating seed oils, detox in your body.
Rob (1h 0m 35s):
It's all there on that Instagram site.
Brian (1h 0m 38s):
Excellent. Yeah, I'll put a link in the show notes. I know you guys have a few products that you, you have on your website as well.
Randy (1h 0m 44s):
CT oil, our, that was our very first product we made, in fact, really quickly, that was born out of our time in Spain, Brian. So one of the things that Dr. Helu had found is my body, my, I was eaten up with heavy metal, so I was just, there were parasites everywhere in my body and it was very deficient in short chain fatty acids like butyrate and other like short chain fats, which clearly feed the colonocytes and are colon can drive strong metabolic and mitochondrial function. And so he had me eating like raw aged cheeses while I was over there to directly source my body with these key fats.
Randy (1h 1m 24s):
Well, when we came back over into America, we're like, man, we need to help create a product or some awareness around this issue 'cause it can't just be me. And So we basically launched and started and built a product out called SCT Oil. It's a short chain triglyceride. So you're getting that butyrate, that acetate, that propionate those fats that help work with leptin signaling and hormone signaling in the gut and burning visceral fat. So we actually launched our product in 2000, was it 17? I think
Rob (1h 1m 54s):
2017. And
Randy (1h 1m 55s):
It's still our number one bestselling product today. Doctors use it, customers love it. And we made it for ourselves. We love it. And just so happen other people happen to love it too. And so people still want us to make it and buy it. We're gonna keep making it. And, and the the public has spoken SCT oil man, it is such an incredible oil. That's
Rob (1h 2m 16s):
What we use it to actually put in our coffee. That loud noise that you heard
Randy (1h 2m 19s):
Was my coffee and then I've got
Brian (1h 2m 20s):
That the S Oh I didn't hear. Yeah, we didn't hear anything. Right.
Randy (1h 2m 23s):
We gotta send you some man. You gotta hit us up with an address. We'll, we'll
Brian (1h 2m 26s):
Hook you up. I appreciate it. And this is DA little bit different than MCTs 'cause I'm sure that's what people you normally hear.
Randy (1h 2m 33s):
Yeah, it's, well, huge difference. You know, CT is, it's a fractionated oil, so you're breaking apart those carbon bonds. So you know, a lot of people, what do they call it? Disaster pants, I believe is the condition that some people experience once you choke down MCT oil. Yeah. You can't really cook with, it's not only something you'd find in nature, obviously you can get medium chains and like coconut oil or other fats. But yeah, this is a real food product. It's very labor intensive and we created a whole new standard and it's gonna be rich in some medium chains, some long chain fats, but really rich in the shorter chain fats. Even some odd chain fatty acids. You know, C 15 is kinda a big hot topic right now.
Randy (1h 3m 16s):
And you know, with the way our cattle are fed, the cows are fed, they're eating more taller grasses like fescue, which will now make more of those odd chain fatty acids, which have massive metabolic benefits. So SCT oil is probably still our favorite and bestselling product and people love it and we love it too. So we, we'll have to, we'll have to hook you up buddy.
Brian (1h 3m 37s):
Oh, I'd love that. Yeah. And you cook in these as well, 'cause Oh yeah, yeah,
Randy (1h 3m 41s):
Yeah. You can't, you don't wanna cook an MCT oil house will smell like wood smell like metal.
Brian (1h 3m 46s):
Really? I've tried coconut oil. It's fine. Coconut oil. Coconut oil is fine. But yeah, you try to use that. No. Yeah, not, yeah. Yeah. And talo I'll use from time to time. Talo is nice. Yeah.
Randy (1h 3m 57s):
Tao's nice. I think Talo is, and this, you know, animal based nutrition, coconut oil is great. SET oil, grass fed butter. You know, my mom grew up, my great grandmother lived to B 100. You know, I love hearing from people in the longevity space who are in their forties and fifties. It's like, well, let's, let's hear it when you're 120. But my great grandmother was a longevity expert before biohacking was cool and she never spoke on a stage, but she lived to be 100 years old on no medication at her ideal weight, had a four acre garden, had hogs, had chickens, had milking cows. So my mom said they grew up eating and cooking everything in pig lard And, you know, nobody had heart disease and nobody had chronic disease.
Randy (1h 4m 40s):
So, you know, there's probably a lot to ancestral animal base eating and cooking, you know, more raw milk and pastured eggs and, and animal fats is probably a good implementation we could all benefit from.
Brian (1h 4m 52s):
Yeah, no doubt about that. And you're, you're seeing, well, some of the, the fast food chains are implementing that a little bit. I think you're seeing that they've gone to, well they
Randy (1h 5m 2s):
Say they are. I don't know how
Brian (1h 5m 3s):
Yeah. You know, trust
Randy (1h 5m 4s):
These guys. If you're putting anti foaming agent into your
Brian (1h 5m 8s):
Yeah, I, I, I, yeah, I I heard that. Yeah. Yeah. They're using, using pal, but they're still using those, these agents and so you're better off not going there. So
Randy (1h 5m 16s):
Probably not. I mean, if you're gonna go just be honest with yourself and say you want a burger and fries and don't try to justify and just say, Hey, I'm making a, a, a conscious decision and, and I'll do better tomorrow. Right,
Brian (1h 5m 26s):
Right. Yeah, I agree. I agree. Yeah. Well this was great guys. Happy Healthy Guys. Happy Healthy Life. And me, metabolic metabolism score.com. I'll put Links in the show notes so you can find, find Rob and Randy and everything they're doing. So thanks so much again for coming on guys. Appreciate it. Oh, thanks for
Randy (1h 5m 45s):
Having us, Brian. Appreciate you Brian.
Brian (1h 5m 46s):
Appreciate Enjoy Miami. Will do. Thanks for listening to the Get Lean Eat Clean Podcast. I understand there are millions of other podcasts out there and you've chosen to listen to mine and I appreciate that. Check out the show notes@briangrin.com for everything that was mentioned in this episode. Feel free to subscribe to the podcast and share it with a friend or family member that's looking to get their body back to what it once was. Thanks again and have a great day.
